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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

             Pros and cons on it ---like anything else!! Used to do total protien counts--but now just do the IGG.I try to do as much as I can to make sure my babies get off to a good start.Just what my vet and I are comfortable with. T
 

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!




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Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 11:23:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

We don't do IGG's at all.  It was proven that horse foals with low IGG's did just as well as the ones with high IGG's later in life.  I would only use it if a cria is in jeopardy and even then I would use other blood tests first.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd .com/FarmPage. aspx?Farm= 433

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

I draw blood from the inside hind leg vein at shearing, it is SO easy!  Then I send pregnancy tests and BVDV tests out to the lab and DNA cards out to the registry.  It is so much cheaper and easier on the animals to do it this way.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd.com/FarmPage.aspx?Farm=433

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

We don't do IGG's at all.  It was proven that horse foals with low IGG's did just as well as the ones with high IGG's later in life.  I would only use it if a cria is in jeopardy and even then I would use other blood tests first.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd.com/FarmPage.aspx?Farm=433

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

            Do you do IGG's on your cria? That is why my vet comes next day to do IGG's,so then I do blood card and BVD at the same time  
 

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!




From: dreamwoodalpacas <faileflys@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 11:16:29 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

Judith,

I'm in NY too and I still have to pay $15 for the rabies--what should I be asking my vet? What lab does your vet use for BVD? I also pool, my vet uses Cornell, and the espensive part is the stupid FedEx...

I try to lower my vet bills by combining as much of my routine vet care as I can at one time to spread out the travel charge and farm call, e.g. I have 2 maidens I want to have checked before breeding, so I'll do that with all my non-preg rabies shots, and my ultrasounding, and spring fecals all next week. This year, I am also considering not having the vet out the day after routine births and instead have her out after the last birth and do all the BVD (to pool they have to be taken within a few weeks of each other) and moms' rabies then.

Thanks!
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
Claverack, NY
www.dreamwoodfarm. com

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes I love my vet!  Sometimes I don't know how she makes a living (well, I think they make it up on the pet trade, actually, 'cause I get no deals there, that's for sure except a group rate for office calls).  I just had 6 BVD tests run, and it cost me $72; the lab charged $36/pool and they pooled 5 and tested one separately, so it breaks down to $12/test.  If I'd had to have 10 tested, the per test fee would have only been $7.20.  Beats AOBA. I love my state ag dept. too!  
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772 
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: susan withnell <ewesfulfiberarts@ ...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 10:18:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
>
> WOW!  you get a deal!  My vet's office/home is 12 minutes from my
> house and I pay $50 farm visit and $20 per shot!  When I had my
> animals at another farm instead of right here, I had to pay her $75
> for the visit!  I know that other parts of the country pay even more
> though.  It's like real estate....location. ..location. ..location. .....
>
> Susan Withnell
> Westminster, MD
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
> <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I do.  I live in an area where a lot of wildlife passes through our pastures - usually small stuff like 'possums, skunks and raccoons, but occasionally larger animals like foxes, and of course one always worries about stray dogs.  I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I've seen my herd surround small critters - probably just out of curiosity, and a couple of my females have tried to stomp stray cats, so you never know just how much interaction there might be between your herd and wildlife or strays.  Another hazard might be if a 'possum or 'coon tried to take shelter in the barn during the winter.  I know my next-door neighbors who have a dairy farm often find and shoot wildlife in their barns or storage buildings, so it's always on my mind.  I know there's some question as to whether there is any need for annual injections or whether 3-year injections would suffice.  At this point, since the vets prefer to innoculate annually, I just have it
> done.  Who knows? It might be the best $2 I spend all year!
> >
> > Judith Korff
> > LadySong Farm
> > Music to Your Wallet
> > Randolph, New York 14772
> > Cell: (716) 499-0383
> > www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: doubleme409 <doubleme409@ ...>
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 6:40:48 PM
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
> >
> >
> >
> > My vet will be coming soon.
> >
> > MIMI
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

I don't know why your fees are significantly higher, Morgan.  My vet also uses Cornell Lab for the BVD testing, and I have her bill that shows a total charge of $72 - $60 for the pooled group of 5 and $12 for the single test, or $12 each.  She obviously didn't charge me for the blood draws (I really love that gal!) 'cause when she came out to do those, she also injected 2 microchips, did 2 sonograms, took blood for a chem panel on one skinny girl, and rechecked an older male who has suffered weight loss over the winter.
 
I never have a vet out on a routine birth, but do call and consult over the phone when anything appears abnormal about a birth.  I don't do routine CDTs, nor do I do routine IgGs.  I only microchip alpacas that I expect to show (or when I have multiple white boys that I can't tell apart, LOL!).  I try to keep Mary's visits to a minimum too by combining tasks, and Mary is very good about trying to schedule multiple farm calls in my town to make best use of her time, and because this means the time of arrival is rather fluid depending on what she encounters at each stop, she splits the farm call fee among all the farms she visits on that occasion. 
 
If I just have one  who needs something (for example, a CVI for travel, or is ill and I need an accurate weight for medication purposes, or a sono before leaving the farm for a new home), I load 'em  up in my minivan and take them to the vet's office where we entertain, amuse and in general cause a ruckus among other clients.  
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
 



From: dreamwoodalpacas <faileflys@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 12:16:29 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

Judith,

I'm in NY too and I still have to pay $15 for the rabies--what should I be asking my vet? What lab does your vet use for BVD? I also pool, my vet uses Cornell, and the espensive part is the stupid FedEx...

I try to lower my vet bills by combining as much of my routine vet care as I can at one time to spread out the travel charge and farm call, e.g. I have 2 maidens I want to have checked before breeding, so I'll do that with all my non-preg rabies shots, and my ultrasounding, and spring fecals all next week. This year, I am also considering not having the vet out the day after routine births and instead have her out after the last birth and do all the BVD (to pool they have to be taken within a few weeks of each other) and moms' rabies then.

Thanks!
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
Claverack, NY
www.dreamwoodfarm. com

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
>
> Yes I love my vet!  Sometimes I don't know how she makes a living (well, I think they make it up on the pet trade, actually, 'cause I get no deals there, that's for sure except a group rate for office calls).  I just had 6 BVD tests run, and it cost me $72; the lab charged $36/pool and they pooled 5 and tested one separately, so it breaks down to $12/test.  If I'd had to have 10 tested, the per test fee would have only been $7.20.  Beats AOBA. I love my state ag dept. too!  
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772 
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: susan withnell <ewesfulfiberarts@ ...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 10:18:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
>
> WOW!  you get a deal!  My vet's office/home is 12 minutes from my
> house and I pay $50 farm visit and $20 per shot!  When I had my
> animals at another farm instead of right here, I had to pay her $75
> for the visit!  I know that other parts of the country pay even more
> though.  It's like real estate....location. ..location. ..location. .....
>
> Susan Withnell
> Westminster, MD
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
> <judithkorff@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I do.  I live in an area where a lot of wildlife passes through our pastures - usually small stuff like 'possums, skunks and raccoons, but occasionally larger animals like foxes, and of course one always worries about stray dogs.  I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I've seen my herd surround small critters - probably just out of curiosity, and a couple of my females have tried to stomp stray cats, so you never know just how much interaction there might be between your herd and wildlife or strays.  Another hazard might be if a 'possum or 'coon tried to take shelter in the barn during the winter.  I know my next-door neighbors who have a dairy farm often find and shoot wildlife in their barns or storage buildings, so it's always on my mind.  I know there's some question as to whether there is any need for annual injections or whether 3-year injections would suffice.  At this point, since the vets prefer to innoculate annually, I just have it
> done.  Who knows? It might be the best $2 I spend all year!
> >
> > Judith Korff
> > LadySong Farm
> > Music to Your Wallet
> > Randolph, New York 14772
> > Cell: (716) 499-0383
> > www.alpacanation. com/ladysong. asp
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: doubleme409 <doubleme409@ ...>
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 6:40:48 PM
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
> >
> >
> >
> > My vet will be coming soon.
> >
> > MIMI
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?

 

Judith,

I'm in NY too and I still have to pay $15 for the rabies--what should I be asking my vet? What lab does your vet use for BVD? I also pool, my vet uses Cornell, and the espensive part is the stupid FedEx...

I try to lower my vet bills by combining as much of my routine vet care as I can at one time to spread out the travel charge and farm call, e.g. I have 2 maidens I want to have checked before breeding, so I'll do that with all my non-preg rabies shots, and my ultrasounding, and spring fecals all next week. This year, I am also considering not having the vet out the day after routine births and instead have her out after the last birth and do all the BVD (to pool they have to be taken within a few weeks of each other) and moms' rabies then.

Thanks!
Morgen Bowers
Dreamwood Farm
Claverack, NY
www.dreamwoodfarm.com

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@...> wrote:
>
> Yes I love my vet!  Sometimes I don't know how she makes a living (well, I think they make it up on the pet trade, actually, 'cause I get no deals there, that's for sure except a group rate for office calls).  I just had 6 BVD tests run, and it cost me $72; the lab charged $36/pool and they pooled 5 and tested one separately, so it breaks down to $12/test.  If I'd had to have 10 tested, the per test fee would have only been $7.20.  Beats AOBA. I love my state ag dept. too!  
>
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm
> Music to Your Wallet
> Randolph, New York 14772 
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: susan withnell <ewesfulfiberarts@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 10:18:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
>
> WOW!  you get a deal!  My vet's office/home is 12 minutes from my
> house and I pay $50 farm visit and $20 per shot!  When I had my
> animals at another farm instead of right here, I had to pay her $75
> for the visit!  I know that other parts of the country pay even more
> though.  It's like real estate....location...location...location......
>
> Susan Withnell
> Westminster, MD
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm
> <judithkorff@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I do.  I live in an area where a lot of wildlife passes through our pastures - usually small stuff like 'possums, skunks and raccoons, but occasionally larger animals like foxes, and of course one always worries about stray dogs.  I'd rather be safe than sorry.  I've seen my herd surround small critters - probably just out of curiosity, and a couple of my females have tried to stomp stray cats, so you never know just how much interaction there might be between your herd and wildlife or strays.  Another hazard might be if a 'possum or 'coon tried to take shelter in the barn during the winter.  I know my next-door neighbors who have a dairy farm often find and shoot wildlife in their barns or storage buildings, so it's always on my mind.  I know there's some question as to whether there is any need for annual injections or whether 3-year injections would suffice.  At this point, since the vets prefer to innoculate annually, I just have it
> done.  Who knows? It might be the best $2 I spend all year!
> >
> > Judith Korff
> > LadySong Farm
> > Music to Your Wallet
> > Randolph, New York 14772
> > Cell: (716) 499-0383
> > www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: doubleme409 <doubleme409@...>
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 6:40:48 PM
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Do you give your alpacas yearly rabie shots?
> >
> >
> >
> > My vet will be coming soon.
> >
> > MIMI
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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>
>
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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Shearing Pyrs

 

I just blew their undercoats out and trimmed their bellies and pants and they did alright.  It was a time consuming chore, but I know they felt better for it.  I think shearing would be faster but not necessarily better, so we will stick with what we’ve been doing.  Just wanted to get a feel for what others had good results with.  I have seen some Pyrs that have been sheared, but their undercoat was still there, all matted and knarly and I know I don’t want that for my polar bearies. 

Thanks for the feed back!

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 


From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:48 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Shearing Pyrs

 

 

<<<..my question is how many of you actually shear them down to the skin
or close to it? It seems to me that getting their thick undercoat off them
is more important then removing the lengthy guard hairs but I have seen it
done. I noticed the dogs still have that thick undercoat, it is just
shorter. I have spoken to professional groomers who say don't shear
them....just get the undercoat out and shave their bellies so they can cool
off.
Opinions?
Laura>>>

Laura, the LGD list folks say do not shave/shear the Pyrs and similar dogs.
I had my *black* long hair GSD with an extremely heavy undercoat sheared
one year thinking I was doing him a huge favor. He developed horrible
skin problems and his coat did not grow back for a full 3 yrs. It was 3
yrs of misery with hot spots, intense itching, and tons of skin issues,
and I will never do it again. He finally has his coat back, no more
skin issues, and no hot spots last summer with his full coat.

Janice

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