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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

Well, we wouldn't have to put a logo on it. Just the
colors are good enough, I think. It would send the
same message and appeal to a lot of people. I don't
think I would want to do the licensing thing anyway,
really. We all have too much to do already and that
does not include farm work!

I really would like to get the insulation thing going,
but that will take quite a bit of fiber. Maybe that
stockpile AFNCA has could be used for insulation! Why
not? That way they could make money for the
shareholders!

Stephanie

Stardust Alpacas
Creswell, OR
stardustalpacas@yahoo.com
541.895.0964

--- Radched@aol.com wrote:

>
> The team sports thing is a great idea - I can
> imagine Huskie and Cougar fans wrapped up in alpaca
> scarves and blankets :)
>
>
>
> The only catch might be getting licensed from the
> NCAA if there was going to be anything but the
> school colors on the item - I would think any logo'd
> item would need to include a chunk of change for the
> NCAA?
>
>
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-alpacas.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 9:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Actually, the higher micron less crimpy, longer
> staple fiber is best for woven things like suits and
> coats. And, it has to be higher micron because the
> lower the micron, the less it will stand up to wear
> (worsted). The lower micron has to be used for
> scarves and things that will not have to be strong.
> The high amplitude, high frequency crimp is best for
> woolen applications like socks, sweaters, scarves,
> etc. So, all of those non show animals are worth a
> lot when it comes to processing.
>
> I had another idea I would like to share with
> everyone. Since we live in Eugene, OR, we have the
> University of Oregon here. This town is plastered
> wall to wall with ducks and O's everywhere and green
> and yellow. There are LOTS of fans for the sporting
> events. I thought that it would be great to make
> stadium blankets in school colors that would be
> really warm. And sweaters, scarves, gloves, etc.
> Heather thought it would be a great to felt the
> fiber and make stadium jackets (letterman type) to
> sell in the school colors. This is something that
> everyone can do for their home team in every region
> of the country. Do you know how much money team
> paraphernalia makes? I think we could make a killing
> off of sports nuts! We can sell them at farmers
> markets and online, or at local shows. So many
> ideas!
>
> Well, my mom and I plan to be certified and we can
> travel around and help sort. There are fiber sorters
> (The Coarse Broads) that taught us about this and I
> am sure there are others around that know this too.
> Otherwise, more people can take the course and get
> this thing going around the country!
>
> Steph
>
> "M.Korshoj" <mkorshoj@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Steph,
> the course probably is only for SOJAA but it would
> be wonderful to have it available to many. I heard
> it was a hard course at Olds College but well worth
> it.
>
> I agree, it would be a great way to meet other fiber
> folk, and the topping would be that everyone would
> be helping out everyone else and all would benefit
> from it.
>
> It was Peter that mentioned it in the first place so
> I would bet he is very involved in it. I wrote Paul
> but meant Peter. You said "Robin has a sample of
> black woven fabric that was 30 microns. It was very
> soft on the skin just because it was properly
> sorted, so there were no prickles or shedding. And,
> the fiber that is MOST useful in the industry is
> 20-26 microns" Wouldn't that be great to use for the
> blankets, coats etc!!
>
> Thanks,
> Margie
> Margie Korshoj
> mkorshoj@comcast.net
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help


The team sports thing is a great idea - I can imagine Huskie and Cougar fans wrapped up in alpaca scarves and blankets :)

The only catch might be getting licensed from the NCAA if there was going to be anything but the school colors on the item - I would think any logo'd item would need to include a chunk of change for the NCAA?

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
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www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

Actually, the higher micron less crimpy, longer staple fiber is best for woven things like suits and coats. And, it has to be higher micron because the lower the micron, the less it will stand up to wear (worsted). The lower micron has to be used for scarves and things that will not have to be strong. The high amplitude, high frequency crimp is best for woolen applications like socks, sweaters, scarves, etc. So, all of those non show animals are worth a lot when it comes to processing.

I had another idea I would like to share with everyone. Since we live in Eugene, OR, we have the University of Oregon here. This town is plastered wall to wall with ducks and O's everywhere and green and yellow. There are LOTS of fans for the sporting events. I thought that it would be great to make stadium blankets in school colors that would be really warm. And sweaters, scarves, gloves, etc. Heather thought it would be a great to felt the fiber and make stadium jackets (letterman type) to sell in the school colors. This is something that everyone can do for their home team in every region of the country. Do you know how much money team paraphernalia makes? I think we could make a killing off of sports nuts! We can sell them at farmers markets and online, or at local shows. So many ideas!

Well, my mom and I plan to be certified and we can travel around and help sort. There are fiber sorters (The Coarse Broads) that taught us about this and I am sure there are others around that know this too. Otherwise, more people can take the course and get this thing going around the country!

Steph

"M.Korshoj" <mkorshoj@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Steph, the course probably is only for SOJAA but it would be wonderful to have it available to many. I heard it was a hard course at Olds College but well worth it.

I agree, it would be a great way to meet other fiber folk, and the topping would be that everyone would be helping out everyone else and all would benefit from it.

It was Peter that mentioned it in the first place so I would bet he is very involved in it. I wrote Paul but meant Peter. You said "Robin has a sample of black woven fabric that was 30 microns. It was very soft on the skin just because it was properly sorted, so there were no prickles or shedding. And, the fiber that is MOST useful in the industry is 20-26 microns" Wouldn't that be great to use for the blankets, coats etc!!

Thanks,
Margie
Margie Korshoj
mkorshoj@comcast.net

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

Actually, the higher micron less crimpy, longer staple fiber is best for woven things like suits and coats. And, it has to be higher micron because the lower the micron, the less it will stand up to wear (worsted). The lower micron has to be used for scarves and things that will not have to be strong. The high amplitude, high frequency crimp is best for woolen applications like socks, sweaters, scarves, etc. So, all of those non show animals are worth a lot when it comes to processing.

I had another idea I would like to share with everyone. Since we live in Eugene, OR, we have the University of Oregon here. This town is plastered wall to wall with ducks and O's everywhere and green and yellow. There are LOTS of fans for the sporting events. I thought that it would be great to make stadium blankets in school colors that would be really warm. And sweaters, scarves, gloves, etc. Heather thought it would be a great to felt the fiber and make stadium jackets (letterman type) to sell in the school colors. This is something that everyone can do for their home team in every region of the country. Do you know how much money team paraphernalia makes? I think we could make a killing off of sports nuts! We can sell them at farmers markets and online, or at local shows. So many ideas!

Well, my mom and I plan to be certified and we can travel around and help sort. There are fiber sorters (The Coarse Broads) that taught us about this and I am sure there are others around that know this too. Otherwise, more people can take the course and get this thing going around the country!

Steph

"M.Korshoj" <mkorshoj@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Steph, the course probably is only for SOJAA but it would be wonderful to have it available to many. I heard it was a hard course at Olds College but well worth it.

I agree, it would be a great way to meet other fiber folk, and the topping would be that everyone would be helping out everyone else and all would benefit from it.

It was Peter that mentioned it in the first place so I would bet he is very involved in it. I wrote Paul but meant Peter. You said "Robin has a sample of black woven fabric that was 30 microns. It was very soft on the skin just because it was properly sorted, so there were no prickles or shedding. And, the fiber that is MOST useful in the industry is 20-26 microns" Wouldn't that be great to use for the blankets, coats etc!!

Thanks,
Margie
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

Hi Steph, the course probably is only for SOJAA but it would be wonderful to have it available to many. I heard it was a hard course at Olds College but well worth it.

I agree, it would be a great way to meet other fiber folk, and the topping would be that everyone would be helping out everyone else and all would benefit from it.

It was Peter that mentioned it in the first place so I would bet he is very involved in it. I wrote Paul but meant Peter. You said "Robin has a sample of black woven fabric that was 30 microns. It was very soft on the skin just because it was properly sorted, so there were no prickles or shedding. And, the fiber that is MOST useful in the industry is 20-26 microns" Wouldn't that be great to use for the blankets, coats etc!!

Thanks,
Margie
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups


I've never understood the "don't talk about bad things because it might scare away potential owners".  I would be suspicious if it was all peace and light - after all we are talking human beings.  I have been involved with animal people since I was a college student, and every one of the groups have had some sort of schism going on.  And this was all face to face, before the Internet allowed you to be an a** with anonymity.

People can be nasty.  Add money to the mix and watch out!

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheri Hewitt <sherih@woodlandmeadows.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

What I was saying was the there are a lot of
farms (large and small but all on the same note)
who don't want anyone to talk about anything that
is controversial or might cause a new buyer to
pause. By taking this tack it means that the new
buyer won't find out until it's too late what really happens.

Personally, I think discussion is good for all of
us. If we lose a sale or two because someone is
turned away because alpacas might be a lot of
work, and might have health problems, then it's
better they did something else. And, those who go
ahead, knowing what can happen, will do much better in the long run.

Good, healthy discussion of all subjects will benefit all of us in the end.

No evil conspiracy theories or thoughts against those who are "the big guys".

Sheri
Experience Alpacas!
Woodland Meadows, LLC
31542 Camas Swale Rd.
Creswell, OR 97426
www.woodlandmeadows.com
541-895-0964 or cell 541-912-0081

At 03:53 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

>Actually, when we started in this business 10 years ago, we were told
>by a large breeder that we shouldn't talk about any health problems we
>encountered. When we started losing animals to liver flukes, BECAUSE no
>one would talk about problems, even the vets had no idea what could be
>done to save those that were sick but not yet dead. So maybe the term
>"big farm" might have been a generalisation, but it was the large farms
>in the Northwest who effectively gagged any plea for help, any
>discussion of what do if this or that happens on your farm....
>
>There are a few who get their noses all out of joint when someone
>brings up the large farm/small farm issue. Guess what, big farms have a
>lot more power in this industry, just as any large company has more
>power than a small one. That is the truth and pretending that it is
>not, is either naive or in denial. yes, hopefully all the large farms
>are now forthright in the truth about the business and animal heath and
>care, but that was not always true.
>
>Heather
>
>Heather Zeleny
>West Wind Alpacas
>Eugene, OR
>
>Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
>Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
>Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
><http://www.westwindalpacas.com/>http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
>http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
><http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
>On Jun 6, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Shouvlins wrote:
>
> > Wow Sheri,
> >
> > That seems a bit unfair and why would only big farms take this
> > approach. Everyone in the breeding business wants to sell alpacas, no
> > matter what their size. It seems a bit unfair to claim that only big
> > farms deceive folks. Frankly I haven't found that to be true, although
> > there has been one farm I know of like that, but I attribute that to
> > the individual, not the size of the farm. I know of small breeders who
> > cheat too. It ain't a size thing, it's an individual character thing.
> >
> > Laurel
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

I thought the course was ONLY for SOJAA members to my knowledge, but I am not positive. I assume they have first dibs...I went with my mom Sheri Hewitt to a fiber sorting seminar with Robin Kuhl put on by SOJAA and there was such a great response, a great number of people wanted to take the course. Since Olds College is in Canada, they worked it out so that the days after AlpacaMania (Ruth is judging) she would stay and teach the course. Apparently, Ruth will be selecting people since there are only so many seats available. I hope I didn't step out of line by announcing it publicly! Ruth teaches the course at Olds College. You have to sort 500 fleeces before you can actually call yourself a sorter. The course itself is three grueling days from what I understand. But well worth it! Robin has a sample of black woven fabric that was 30 microns. It was very soft on the skin just because it was properly sorted, so there were no prickles or shedding. And, the fiber that is MOST
useful in the industry is 20-26 microns. Not 13 or anything. Everything under 19 microns gets put into the same pile, so all those "average" alpacas are better when it comes to the processing!

I think it is a good idea to have people get together to sort fiber. I think that would get the job done, but also make new friends out of the day. It would be hard though unless everyone knew what they were doing. It is simple, but also complicated....

I am sure we will hear more about the Pendleton thing. I think it would be great if AFCNA could send fiber there. Anything it takes to get alpaca into the mainstream marketplace. I just hope that the people who came up with the idea get the credit! Again, I heard it was Peter.

Till next time...

Steph

"M.Korshoj" <mkorshoj@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Step, I didn't know that Ruth was going to have this course in Southern Oregon. Where do you find out about it? On the SOJAA website? I will webcrawl and check it out. I was very excited that she took that class and then shared her experiences on alpacasite.

Paul and Pendleton and AFCNA...just what I thought he had said, but haven't heard more. I know he started the talks with Pendleton and then I thought he was going to get together with AFCNA about it. Have no clue what's happening with that.

I know lots of people have so much fleece after shearing that they don't have time to take care of it (de-vegging and sorting) before sending it to AFCNA. Otherwise, they probably would. It just keeps stockpiling.

I still think a good old get together like barn raising, for fiber sorting would be fun and get the job done for lots of people who are buried in fiber and no time or funds to send it out for basic services and then the products.

Now to check on SOJAA. Thanks for the tip. :^)

Margie

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what can you do to help

Hi Step, I didn't know that Ruth was going to have this course in Southern Oregon. Where do you find out about it? On the SOJAA website? I will webcrawl and check it out. I was very excited that she took that class and then shared her experiences on alpacasite.

Paul and Pendleton and AFCNA...just what I thought he had said, but haven't heard more. I know he started the talks with Pendleton and then I thought he was going to get together with AFCNA about it. Have no clue what's happening with that.

I know lots of people have so much fleece after shearing that they don't have time to take care of it (de-vegging and sorting) before sending it to AFCNA. Otherwise, they probably would. It just keeps stockpiling.

I still think a good old get together like barn raising, for fiber sorting would be fun and get the job done for lots of people who are buried in fiber and no time or funds to send it out for basic services and then the products.

Now to check on SOJAA. Thanks for the tip. :^)

Margie

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

What I was saying was the there are a lot of
farms (large and small but all on the same note)
who don't want anyone to talk about anything that
is controversial or might cause a new buyer to
pause. By taking this tack it means that the new
buyer won't find out until it's too late what really happens.

Personally, I think discussion is good for all of
us. If we lose a sale or two because someone is
turned away because alpacas might be a lot of
work, and might have health problems, then it's
better they did something else. And, those who go
ahead, knowing what can happen, will do much better in the long run.

Good, healthy discussion of all subjects will benefit all of us in the end.

No evil conspiracy theories or thoughts against those who are "the big guys".

Sheri
Experience Alpacas!
Woodland Meadows, LLC
31542 Camas Swale Rd.
Creswell, OR 97426
www.woodlandmeadows.com
541-895-0964 or cell 541-912-0081

At 03:53 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

>Actually, when we started in this business 10 years ago, we were told
>by a large breeder that we shouldn't talk about any health problems we
>encountered. When we started losing animals to liver flukes, BECAUSE no
>one would talk about problems, even the vets had no idea what could be
>done to save those that were sick but not yet dead. So maybe the term
>"big farm" might have been a generalisation, but it was the large farms
>in the Northwest who effectively gagged any plea for help, any
>discussion of what do if this or that happens on your farm....
>
>There are a few who get their noses all out of joint when someone
>brings up the large farm/small farm issue. Guess what, big farms have a
>lot more power in this industry, just as any large company has more
>power than a small one. That is the truth and pretending that it is
>not, is either naive or in denial. yes, hopefully all the large farms
>are now forthright in the truth about the business and animal heath and
>care, but that was not always true.
>
>Heather
>
>Heather Zeleny
>West Wind Alpacas
>Eugene, OR
>
>Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
>Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
>Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
><http://www.westwindalpacas.com/>http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
>http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
><http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
>On Jun 6, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Shouvlins wrote:
>
> > Wow Sheri,
> >
> > That seems a bit unfair and why would only big farms take this
> > approach. Everyone in the breeding business wants to sell alpacas, no
> > matter what their size. It seems a bit unfair to claim that only big
> > farms deceive folks. Frankly I haven't found that to be true, although
> > there has been one farm I know of like that, but I attribute that to
> > the individual, not the size of the farm. I know of small breeders who
> > cheat too. It ain't a size thing, it's an individual character thing.
> >
> > Laurel
>
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