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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Live Twins!!! Born 40 hours apart!!!

4/10 lb is great if you ask me! I'm grateful if mine gain at least 1/4
lb per day.... :)

I was going to suggest the amniotic fluid or placenta trick. I'm glad
it's working!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you and the babies!
Heather

On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:08 PM, jenq11 wrote:

> Thanks Everyone for your replies!
>
> I fed him indoors yesterday afternoon and last night and he gained
> 4/10 lb... not bad! He was so much stronger this morning that I
> brought him back to the farm and spent the WHOLE day trying to
> convince him that I am not his mom and that nursing is better than a
> bottle. We put him in an area with his dam and 2 potential fosters.
> I fed him every 1 1/2 - 2 hours by bottle but then left after feeding
> so as not to confuse him. We put amniotic fluid on both babies AND
> put goats milk (what we are feeding the little guy) on the face of
> the other baby AND cut fiber off each boy and attached it to the bum
> of the other baby with burrs (worked great!). Also rubbed poop from
> baby #2 on Baby #1. Gave dam homeopathics, flower remedies AND herbs
> to ease stress and reintro. Yeaterday she bit him and chased him
> off. Today, at LEAST....she was kissing him and smelling his bum and
> belly. Nothing further but she doesn't seem to mind if he hangs out
> nearby. The other mom's are happy to sniff him and are kind but
> nothing more. He is sleeping in a limited, safe area in the barn
> with this group tonight (good weather).
>
> Tomorrow, we are hoping to teach him where alpaca milk comes from on
> one of the dams who will not kick him if we restrain her to let him
> nurse. He DID manage to look up under one of the other dams tonight
> just before I left. Maybe he will get the idea is left to his own
> devices...
>
> Anyways - thanks for all the advice and support. I'll let you all
> know how he does. He's a strong little guy!
>
> It will be really interesting to see the DNA results for sure!
>
> JenQ
> Strafford, NH
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: off-topic: not alpacas

Thanks Susan. I hope your dog does well.

Again, I apologize everyone, for my crazy bad typing through tears and
frustration and not spell checking before hitting the send button.
You'd think I would know better than that by now.

We all love our furry/feathered/scaled friends so much, it's so hard to
lose one or to see one sick or in pain. But, that's what these
discussion groups are for, to support the dumb humans through our
challenges caring for our friends.

Best,
Heather

On Aug 18, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Susan Forman wrote:

> Heather:
>
> So sorry to hear about the kitty. It's so very hard to see an animal
> in pain. Right now I'm getting ready to have my best ever house
> dog's leg amputated because of bone cancer. We're hopeful that it
> isn't the worst form and he's also had a chest xray that shows his
> lungs seem to be okay -- the most likely place for the cancer to
> metastasize to. In any event, he's been hurting for awhile and
> finally got him to his old vet who got it diagnosed. As I said,
> we're hopeful. As much as I'm not ready to see him go, if/when he
> gets sick, I'll be able to say good-bye, especially if we can have at
> least a few more good months together. The little kitty's best is
> in my thoughts..............and I do believe in miracles even if they
> are simply the kind that bring relief.
>
> Peace to you,
> Susan
>
> Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> 423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899 Home
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> Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Live Twins!!! Born 40 hours apart!!!

Jen,
This is all great news. Glad to hear that he is doing better and getting stronger. Keeping fingers crossed here for you that mom will accept him back as hers. Keep us posted.
Marsha

jenq11 <jenq@worldpath.net> wrote: Thanks Everyone for your replies!

I fed him indoors yesterday afternoon and last night and he gained
4/10 lb... not bad! He was so much stronger this morning that I
brought him back to the farm and spent the WHOLE day trying to
convince him that I am not his mom and that nursing is better than a
bottle. We put him in an area with his dam and 2 potential fosters.
I fed him every 1 1/2 - 2 hours by bottle but then left after feeding
so as not to confuse him. We put amniotic fluid on both babies AND
put goats milk (what we are feeding the little guy) on the face of
the other baby AND cut fiber off each boy and attached it to the bum
of the other baby with burrs (worked great!). Also rubbed poop from
baby #2 on Baby #1. Gave dam homeopathics, flower remedies AND herbs
to ease stress and reintro. Yeaterday she bit him and chased him
off. Today, at LEAST....she was kissing him and smelling his bum and
belly. Nothing further but she doesn't seem to mind if he hangs out
nearby. The other mom's are happy to sniff him and are kind but
nothing more. He is sleeping in a limited, safe area in the barn
with this group tonight (good weather).

Tomorrow, we are hoping to teach him where alpaca milk comes from on
one of the dams who will not kick him if we restrain her to let him
nurse. He DID manage to look up under one of the other dams tonight
just before I left. Maybe he will get the idea is left to his own
devices...

Anyways - thanks for all the advice and support. I'll let you all
know how he does. He's a strong little guy!

It will be really interesting to see the DNA results for sure!

JenQ
Strafford, NH

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Live Twins!!! Born 40 hours apart!!!

Thanks Everyone for your replies!

I fed him indoors yesterday afternoon and last night and he gained
4/10 lb... not bad! He was so much stronger this morning that I
brought him back to the farm and spent the WHOLE day trying to
convince him that I am not his mom and that nursing is better than a
bottle. We put him in an area with his dam and 2 potential fosters.
I fed him every 1 1/2 - 2 hours by bottle but then left after feeding
so as not to confuse him. We put amniotic fluid on both babies AND
put goats milk (what we are feeding the little guy) on the face of
the other baby AND cut fiber off each boy and attached it to the bum
of the other baby with burrs (worked great!). Also rubbed poop from
baby #2 on Baby #1. Gave dam homeopathics, flower remedies AND herbs
to ease stress and reintro. Yeaterday she bit him and chased him
off. Today, at LEAST....she was kissing him and smelling his bum and
belly. Nothing further but she doesn't seem to mind if he hangs out
nearby. The other mom's are happy to sniff him and are kind but
nothing more. He is sleeping in a limited, safe area in the barn
with this group tonight (good weather).

Tomorrow, we are hoping to teach him where alpaca milk comes from on
one of the dams who will not kick him if we restrain her to let him
nurse. He DID manage to look up under one of the other dams tonight
just before I left. Maybe he will get the idea is left to his own
devices...

Anyways - thanks for all the advice and support. I'll let you all
know how he does. He's a strong little guy!

It will be really interesting to see the DNA results for sure!

JenQ
Strafford, NH

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: off-topic: not alpacas

By the way, I'm sorry for my terrible horrible typing. No spell check
on my mail client a such, and er... you know, emotions.

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: off-topic: not alpacas

Heather:

So sorry to hear about the kitty. It's so very hard to see an animal
in pain. Right now I'm getting ready to have my best ever house
dog's leg amputated because of bone cancer. We're hopeful that it
isn't the worst form and he's also had a chest xray that shows his
lungs seem to be okay -- the most likely place for the cancer to
metastasize to. In any event, he's been hurting for awhile and
finally got him to his old vet who got it diagnosed. As I said,
we're hopeful. As much as I'm not ready to see him go, if/when he
gets sick, I'll be able to say good-bye, especially if we can have at
least a few more good months together. The little kitty's best is
in my thoughts..............and I do believe in miracles even if they
are simply the kind that bring relief.

Peace to you,
Susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: off-topic: not alpacas

Oh good lord. I'm sorry but in my very emotonal state from expecting to take kitty to be
euthanised at 3.30pm to having her wreh=nched from my arms... I didn;t recall whaty I
wrote, then misread as a non-word (possibly~supposibly??).

I have no great hope for poor kitty. Her pelvis will not magically fix itself from homeopathy
nor from horrific manipulations from an untrained reflexology practioner. I weep for kitty.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > Well, my lovely daughter and her wonderful fiancé finally got married
> > on Saturday after a delay due to emergency hospitalisation of the
> > groom's sister/my daughter's bridesmaid (same person, we think she'll
> > do well). But while they were out (at the wedding ceremony and
> > reception), it appears that someone placed a severely injured cat in
> > their backyard. She was discovered yesterday while setting up for a
> > family/close friends luncheon.
> >
> > This little kitty is ~~~*possibly* Argh!!! How could I have possibly
> > typed that non-word???? I NEVER say that! ~~~ SUPPOSEDLY 9 months old.
> > She's very pretty. Her
> > oriental head shape is very similar to my old boy, Shiva. She's got
> > black/tan tabby markings, as well as some torbie coloring, some white
> > striping, and actually, some bengal spotting on her. And very large
> > ears. I fell in love with this kitty immediately. And, she appeared to
> > take a liking to me, as I was the first person she offered her "tummy
> > tummy tummy" to.
> >
> > I took her home with me and placed her in the "small animal hospital,"
> > my bathroom. I've nursed many a sick cat and hen in there! She slept
> > in
> > the bathtub, on a stack of 5 shop towels next to shallow dishes of
> > food
> > and water. she didn't touch either overnight.
> >
> > This kitty can't walk. Her pelvis is apparently fractured or very
> > broken. Looks that way to me, it's just not symmetrical. She only
> > moves
> > from one place to another on her own if she is frightened and tries to
> > run away. It's clear she was housed in a litter box, she has clumping
> > clay cat litter stuck to her hind feet and backside. One hind leg is
> > severely atrophied. She can use it some, but with pain. She's not
> > confident to eat food offered to her unless it's lying on the ground
> > by
> > her front paws. She has little bladder or bowel control. She pooed
> > where she lay and didn't try to move away, or try to move away to do
> > it. The shop towels were soaked with urine this morning.
> >
> > She flinched when I went in to check on her this afternoon and made
> > quick movements with my hands near the doorknob. This sweet little
> > angel purrs when she hears my voice... any friendly voice, yet she was
> > obviously abused and starved in her condition, and forced to live in a
> > litterbox.
> >
> > I called our small animal vet and told them the story... I'm going to
> > bring her down for an exam, and I probably won't bring her back home.
> > Since she has little bladder/bowel control, and is in such pain, even
> > removing the leg probably won't help this wonderful little life.
> >
> > I'll write back when I get home.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > Heather Zeleny
> > White Lotus Alpacas
> > (formerly West Wind Alpacas)
> > Creswell, OR
> >
> > 541.895.0964
> >
> > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
> > http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] off-topic: not alpacas

Oh never mind. My dear sister has taken kitty from me and is no doubt
applying her homeopathy and reflexology skills to her as we speak. No
more updates on kitty's condition from here, I'm afraid.

On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

>
> On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > Well, my lovely daughter and her wonderful fiancé finally got
> married
> > on Saturday after a delay due to emergency hospitalisation of the
> > groom's sister/my daughter's bridesmaid (same person, we think
> she'll
> > do well). But while they were out (at the wedding ceremony and
> > reception), it appears that someone placed a severely injured cat in
> > their backyard. She was discovered yesterday while setting up for a
> > family/close friends luncheon.
> >
> > This little kitty is ~~~*possibly* Argh!!! How could I have possibly
> > typed that non-word???? I NEVER say that! ~~~ SUPPOSEDLY 9 months
> old.
> > She's very pretty. Her
> > oriental head shape is very similar to my old boy, Shiva. She's got
> > black/tan tabby markings, as well as some torbie coloring, some
> white
> > striping, and actually, some bengal spotting on her. And very large
> > ears. I fell in love with this kitty immediately. And, she appeared
> to
> > take a liking to me, as I was the first person she offered her
> "tummy
> > tummy tummy" to.
> >
> > I took her home with me and placed her in the "small animal
> hospital,"
> > my bathroom. I've nursed many a sick cat and hen in there! She slept
> > in
> > the bathtub, on a stack of 5 shop towels next to shallow dishes of
> > food
> > and water. she didn't touch either overnight.
> >
> > This kitty can't walk. Her pelvis is apparently fractured or very
> > broken. Looks that way to me, it's just not symmetrical. She only
> > moves
> > from one place to another on her own if she is frightened and tries
> to
> > run away. It's clear she was housed in a litter box, she has
> clumping
> > clay cat litter stuck to her hind feet and backside. One hind leg is
> > severely atrophied. She can use it some, but with pain. She's not
> > confident to eat food offered to her unless it's lying on the ground
> > by
> > her front paws. She has little bladder or bowel control. She pooed
> > where she lay and didn't try to move away, or try to move away to do
> > it. The shop towels were soaked with urine this morning.
> >
> > She flinched when I went in to check on her this afternoon and made
> > quick movements with my hands near the doorknob. This sweet little
> > angel purrs when she hears my voice... any friendly voice, yet she
> was
> > obviously abused and starved in her condition, and forced to live
> in a
> > litterbox.
> >
> > I called our small animal vet and told them the story... I'm going
> to
> > bring her down for an exam, and I probably won't bring her back
> home.
> > Since she has little bladder/bowel control, and is in such pain,
> even
> > removing the leg probably won't help this wonderful little life.
> >
> > I'll write back when I get home.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > Heather Zeleny
> > White Lotus Alpacas
> > (formerly West Wind Alpacas)
> > Creswell, OR
> >
> > 541.895.0964
> >
> > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
> > http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] off-topic: not alpacas

On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> Well, my lovely daughter and her wonderful fiancé finally got married
> on Saturday after a delay due to emergency hospitalisation of the
> groom's sister/my daughter's bridesmaid (same person, we think she'll
> do well). But while they were out (at the wedding ceremony and
> reception), it appears that someone placed a severely injured cat in
> their backyard. She was discovered yesterday while setting up for a
> family/close friends luncheon.
>
> This little kitty is ~~~*possibly* Argh!!! How could I have possibly
> typed that non-word???? I NEVER say that! ~~~ SUPPOSEDLY 9 months old.
> She's very pretty. Her
> oriental head shape is very similar to my old boy, Shiva. She's got
> black/tan tabby markings, as well as some torbie coloring, some white
> striping, and actually, some bengal spotting on her. And very large
> ears. I fell in love with this kitty immediately. And, she appeared to
> take a liking to me, as I was the first person she offered her "tummy
> tummy tummy" to.
>
> I took her home with me and placed her in the "small animal hospital,"
> my bathroom. I've nursed many a sick cat and hen in there! She slept
> in
> the bathtub, on a stack of 5 shop towels next to shallow dishes of
> food
> and water. she didn't touch either overnight.
>
> This kitty can't walk. Her pelvis is apparently fractured or very
> broken. Looks that way to me, it's just not symmetrical. She only
> moves
> from one place to another on her own if she is frightened and tries to
> run away. It's clear she was housed in a litter box, she has clumping
> clay cat litter stuck to her hind feet and backside. One hind leg is
> severely atrophied. She can use it some, but with pain. She's not
> confident to eat food offered to her unless it's lying on the ground
> by
> her front paws. She has little bladder or bowel control. She pooed
> where she lay and didn't try to move away, or try to move away to do
> it. The shop towels were soaked with urine this morning.
>
> She flinched when I went in to check on her this afternoon and made
> quick movements with my hands near the doorknob. This sweet little
> angel purrs when she hears my voice... any friendly voice, yet she was
> obviously abused and starved in her condition, and forced to live in a
> litterbox.
>
> I called our small animal vet and told them the story... I'm going to
> bring her down for an exam, and I probably won't bring her back home.
> Since she has little bladder/bowel control, and is in such pain, even
> removing the leg probably won't help this wonderful little life.
>
> I'll write back when I get home.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> (formerly West Wind Alpacas)
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Last call

Psycho-boy has disallowed me from posting on that group. Shrug. The
chickens will come home to roost eventually....

Heather

On Aug 17, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

> Hi Susan..
>
> The message part of your forward post did not come through on this
> site. I
> have seen it on the alpacasite.and I think you are right on.
>
> Rick's behavior is odd.again and again it is just "remarkable" and
> different
> than what I'd consider usual for adults.
>
> There might be some reason we don't know why he can't conform his
> behavior
> to normal standards of adult discourse.but I don't know what those
> reasons
> might be!
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> Behalf Of LunarStruck@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:10 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Last call
>
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>
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[AlpacaTalk] off-topic: not alpacas

Hi everyone.

Well, my lovely daughter and her wonderful fiancé finally got married
on Saturday after a delay due to emergency hospitalisation of the
groom's sister/my daughter's bridesmaid (same person, we think she'll
do well). But while they were out (at the wedding ceremony and
reception), it appears that someone placed a severely injured cat in
their backyard. She was discovered yesterday while setting up for a
family/close friends luncheon.

This little kitty is possibly 9 months old. She's very pretty. Her
oriental head shape is very similar to my old boy, Shiva. She's got
black/tan tabby markings, as well as some torbie coloring, some white
striping, and actually, some bengal spotting on her. And very large
ears. I fell in love with this kitty immediately. And, she appeared to
take a liking to me, as I was the first person she offered her "tummy
tummy tummy" to.

I took her home with me and placed her in the "small animal hospital,"
my bathroom. I've nursed many a sick cat and hen in there! She slept in
the bathtub, on a stack of 5 shop towels next to shallow dishes of food
and water. she didn't touch either overnight.

This kitty can't walk. Her pelvis is apparently fractured or very
broken. Looks that way to me, it's just not symmetrical. She only moves
from one place to another on her own if she is frightened and tries to
run away. It's clear she was housed in a litter box, she has clumping
clay cat litter stuck to her hind feet and backside. One hind leg is
severely atrophied. She can use it some, but with pain. She's not
confident to eat food offered to her unless it's lying on the ground by
her front paws. She has little bladder or bowel control. She pooed
where she lay and didn't try to move away, or try to move away to do
it. The shop towels were soaked with urine this morning.

She flinched when I went in to check on her this afternoon and made
quick movements with my hands near the doorknob. This sweet little
angel purrs when she hears my voice... any friendly voice, yet she was
obviously abused and starved in her condition, and forced to live in a
litterbox.

I called our small animal vet and told them the story... I'm going to
bring her down for an exam, and I probably won't bring her back home.
Since she has little bladder/bowel control, and is in such pain, even
removing the leg probably won't help this wonderful little life.

I'll write back when I get home.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

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