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Saturday, June 27, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] good news



Congrats, Wendy, he sounds really nice!  Take lots of pix.
 
SUSAN OLSON
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[AlpacaTalk] good news



hi - we've just had our third 2009 strong healthy cria born today - this mom is not happy about any "interference" and the least she did was chew on my hair while i was toweling him off so i've been observing from afar (at least 15 feet); His sire is a Rockamundo grandson and his dam is from the 7 Maples Expresso (including Senor Paco) line -
 
His sire throws big crias, so baby Mareno is big and stocky, up and nursing within 20 minutes and already trying to run at 5 hours old.  .- he has his sire's distinctive head, already looking good (and no im not the least biased. ha ha)
 
i just wanted to share the joy with you all
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[AlpacaTalk] re: cheek pockets



Whew!  An alpaca related topic, what a relief!!! :))
 
I would do a couple of things, first of all, the 'cheek wad' we deal with is very visibly in the pouch area- meaning it is where the teeth meet together, not above or below it (if that makes sense) and it is hard, but if I open his mouth I can scoop my finger inside his cheek and dislodge the wad (VERY CAREFULLY!!!! sharp suckers those molars... yikes!).
 
With lumpy jaw- which we have had here as well- the growth was lower in the jaw area, below the gumline and actually in the jaw.
 
Do this, sounds weird but check directly under her jaw in the middle- like under her tongue area but outside under her chin- and see if there is an abscess of any kind or a bump.  Had one girl get a pokey that went in her gums and came out under her jaw and she quid as well for a long time before we figured it out.  Some of the material was still in there and the vet had to flush and we had to drain it.
 
Perhaps shaving her face down real well and getting your hands all over the jaw and surrounding area will give you a better idea of what you are dealing with.  Sharp hay and seed heads can really wreak havoc on these guys, I can't tell you how many times we have had to deal with issues here... oi.
Slainte~
Rachelle
 
 
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
Wyatt & Rachelle Black
P.O. Box 457
6500 Digier Road
Lebec, CA
93243
(661-248-6568)
 
 

Cheek pockets

Posted by: "Rebecca Wells" rebecca@alpacadero.com   kali_dasa23

Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:13 pm (PDT)



Rachelle mentioned that one of her alpacas has a cheek pocket that needs
to be massaged and it made me think to ask about this topic. One of my
females apparently has a cheek pocket too. I had the vet do a dental
x-ray on her, she had a tooth filed down a bit, and was given
antibiotics. It seemed to help for a while, but now she is back to
quidding again (chewing wads of hay and spitting them out) and she is
only minimally interested in eating grain. So, does stuff get stuck in
the cheek pocket and cause chewing difficulty? She doesn't appear to
have "lumpy jaw". I'm taking her back for a follow up x-ray and exam
next week.

---
Rebecca Wells
Seattle, WA
rebecca@alpacadero.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Good-bye group



I replied privately but I'll do so publicly as well.


I'm sorry that you feel the most recent topic is nonsense. It is a very important issue in the alpaca industry. I felt it was very important to clarify points of fact, to give some stories of affected breeders that I know, and to quell any panic that was apparently being fomented.

Unfortunately, some have chosen to view my knowledge of specific CA crias as my own herd members being the parents of said crias. 

I felt it was important to clarify that this is not so. 

It just goes to show another sad fact in the industry, that some things are not to be spoken about. The assumption is that if you know anything specific, it must be your own farm you're talking about. That serves no one. If we're to have open and honest discussion about topics such as this, a person with first, second, or thirdhand knowledge of specific animals afflicted can't be painted as lying or hiding facts. I wonder how anyone else would react if it were them in this situation? 


I think everyone ought to examine their thoughts and feelings and their own likely reactions if they were in the same position.

Heather

On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Stephani wrote:



I'm sorry to go but am very tired of getting email after email of nonsense. I've posted a few times to a few of these alpaca groups with questions, but never seem to get anyone to answer. These pointless discussions that go on forever take up my email box and are ridiculous. I'm going to move on to more serious alpaca groups where my questions can be answered and there is less hostility.


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[AlpacaTalk] Good-bye group



I'm sorry to go but am very tired of getting email after email of nonsense. I've posted a few times to a few of these alpaca groups with questions, but never seem to get anyone to answer. These pointless discussions that go on forever take up my email box and are ridiculous. I'm going to move on to more serious alpaca groups where my questions can be answered and there is less hostility.

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Here is a bit of information for those who haven't seen it yet. Everything I have read says to me, "Don't panic!" Research is underway. Yes, make careful breeding decisions. Ask question of sire owners. If you read this summary, you see that the actual reported cases of CA in alpacas is less than 1/2% of all births. How many more are not reported? I don't know how we could know. Just like when someone asked how many unregistered alpacas there were in the country. How can one know? 


And finally, there is nothing to suggest that CA and BEW are related in any way. No link has ever been suggested by any camelid researcher. BEW is a condition that occurs when the white spot gene is inherited by the cria, from one parent, and the grey/merle/roan gene is inherited from the other. It sort of makes a "double white" alpaca. It can happen from ANY grey alpaca, if bred to an alpaca that is white or is colored with white spots. It doesn't mean that either parent has defective genes, those color genes combined, has a chance of producing BEW. This is borne out by research and enumeration of BEW alpacas. No opinion here. Fact.

So, just be careful with your breeding decisions. I think we all generally are.


Heather



Proceedings of the 1st International 
Workshop on Camelid Genetic

Summary Report of Choanal Atresia and Wry Face in Camelids 
LaRue W. Johnson DVM, PhD 
Facial defects in camelids are relatively common as compared to other species. The now deceased 
Professor Horst Leipold of Kansas State University was a recognized "guru" of congenital and genetic 
conditions. He is quoted as saying that "If the incidence of a condition seems unusually high as compared 
to other species, chances are it is genetic".  

The two most commonly recognized congenital facial defects in both llamas and alpacas are Choanal 
Atresia (CA) and Wry Face (WF). While possible causes of these defects would include chromosomal 
aberrations, trauma, en utero positioning and Teratogenic effects, genetics appears to be involved. 
CA is defined as a failure of the internal nares (choanae) to develop the normal opening. It may be 
complete or partial, unilateral or bilateral as well as variable in structure ranging from membranous to 
boney. Consequently, affected individuals will likely have variable manifestations with the most severe 
being total inability to breathe through the nose at birth making it impossible to nurse without aspirating 
milk. The gold standard for making a diagnosis employs contrast media placed in the nose and diagnostic 
imaging to demonstrate blockage. 

While heroic but ill advised surgical efforts can be employed to correct the problem, generally affected 
individuals are euthanatized soon after birth. Researchers at Oregon State University (Smith, Timm et al.) 
conducted extensive necropsy and breeding studies with goals to establish mode of heritability and 
identification of carrier llamas. Many affected individuals were found to also have facial distortions like 
WF, cardiac and limb alterations as well as Arhinencephalia. Breeding trial results were erratic and 
planned DNA studies were not completed. They concluded that their research supports the presumption 
that the problem is passed by both the male and female and is not a sex linked problem. 

WF (Campylognathia) is by definition a maxillary jaw distortion that can occur in varying degrees and 
progress throughout life resulting in dental malocclusion. Most cases are present at birth and may have 
concomitant CA as well as cardiac abnormalities. Breeding trial research I performed at Colorado State 
University using "proven" carriers, presumed carriers as well as affected male and female llamas 
produced a 10% occurrence which is much greater than the natural occurrence of <1%. My conclusions 
from the study include that WF is a genetic problem, selective breeding will increase WF occurrence, the 
inheritance is to date not understood but likely involves multiple recessive genes with both parents 
contributing and that CA and WF have a genetic association.  

From a survey I conducted of 34 respected camelid veterinary colleagues, I received 18 responses to 
questions related to CA and WF. These individuals had and average of 17.6 years working with llamas 
and or alpacas upon which to base their opinions and recollections. Their averaged response to % 
prevalence of congenital defects in llamas was 3.4% with alpacas 4.0%. A total of 174 llama and 153 
alpaca cases of CA were recorded along with 46 llama and 69 alpaca WF cases. 18 examples of CA and 
WF occurring together were reported. Of all congenital defects, respondents expressed that CA 
represented approximately 15% and WF 5% in both llamas and alpacas. The prevalence of CA from all 
births was estimated to be .75% for llamas and .48% for alpacas while for WF, .48% for llamas and .35% 
for alpacas. When asked if camelid genetics are involved in the occurrence of CA, 16 responded yes and 2 
probably. For WF, 13 responded yes, 2 probably, 2 not clear and 1 no. 

There is no question that CA and WF need further research. With the reported progress of the alpaca 
genome research, it seems logical to utilize this tool to focus on these conditions. The camelid community 
will need to provide credibility, capital and cooperation to accomplish progress in the goal to further 
understand and hopefully eliminate these conditions.







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[AlpacaTalk] good morning!



Hi everyone,

Well, I woke up to a very unpleasant private email accusing me of
misrepresenting one of my own boys as one in one of my stories in the
last few days. This is not true.

And I find it very sad that someone feels the need to harass someone
(me) for a suspicion they have with no basis except some irrational
need to expose people. Kind of like the McCarthy era. Kind of scary.
Just because you decide that a person is speaking in 3rd person to
hide their own story doesn't make it true.

In the story about the male who sired CA cria #3, even the dam owner
in this story believes all of his breeding problems in that time
period were caused by his cleaning chemicals. I won't identify either
party in this case. It's not my prerogative to do so. The dam owner,
if they have no further issues since stopping using that product, can
be somewhat assured that their problems were indeed not genetic.
Therefore, what good would it do to smear the dams or the sire in
this story?

The sire with almost 50 crias that is co-owned by more than a few
farms, I don't feel it is my prerogative to identify that sire,
either. To be honest, they all have a lot more money than I do and I
wouldn't want to make enemies, if you know what I mean.

As for the descendent of famous import sire... well, I've given my
opinions on that. Even if famous import sire was Joe's direct sire,
still, if Joe had a genetic problem, it may well have come from his dam.

I have to go feed my bottle baby, but I have more info on CA to
report when I get back in.

Heather

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