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Sunday, November 09, 2008

RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Beet Pulp

Hi List,

Steve Hull says that Beet pulp is great stuff..however, he and Dr. Ruth both
warn against using molasses added products on alpacas who don't digest the
sugar like a horse would. So.for the pacas.plain beet pulp, added slowly to
the diet as Laurel reminds us..is the very best way to use this nice stuff!

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Beet Pulp

Hello,

We use beet pulp daily for our aged Fjord stallion who has had problems over
the last couple of years keeping weight on.? We have had so much success
with this that we now supplement our sheep and last year, our Angora goats
(before I sold the herd of goats), with it during the winter.? We also use
beet pulp mash for our ewes during their last days of pregnancy and right
after labor to help warm them up quickly.?

We use however much beet pulp we have designated per animal-making sure it
is the kind that has molasses added-then cover it with extremely hot water
to where one can see the water barely covering the beet pulp.? We stir it a
few times and let it sit for at least 1/2 hour to hour, then top dress it
with whatever grain is being fed to each animal.? For example, with our aged
stallion and the ewes, they would get a cup of grain, not pellets, plus some
broken up alfafa cubes-just a few, for taste.? Our stallion this year cannot
eat?the cubes well, so we went to an alfafa powder.? We turn the bucket over
into the feed pan so the grain and alfafa is on the bottom of the feed pan.

We have never had any animal turn their noses up and the pans are empty
right away.? Hope this helps!? We are convinced our stallion would not be
with us today without the beet pulp because he just was not interested in
any of the "normal" senior diets.? Our sheep LOVE it.

Bailey's
White Cloud, MI
231-225-8855
spinner@wildblue.net <mailto:spinner%40wildblue.net>
www.thebaileystore.info

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[AlpacaTalk] Advertising, marketing, special announcements -

There is a marketing list on yahoo that is specifically for
advertising/marketing of animals, fleece, farm store items, etc.
Announcements of seminars and shows do not <imo> fall in the
"marketing/advertising" group. No, there is no reason why seminars and
shows couldn't be mentioned on the marketing list, but I feel, since they
don't have a "home of their own", they should be allowed mention here.
However, listings of animals for sale, studmuffins looking for girls, farm
items for sale, etc have no business <imo> on this list, especially since
there is a list specifically for that purpose.

Perhaps there could be a file page set aside for upcoming shows and seminars
so that they only need be mentioned once on the list and anybody who might
have missed the first announcement could/would have a place to check later
on. As many have already mentioned, seminars and shows are for the general
good of all, and not benefiting just one farm/breeder. I don't mind having
them here.

As I said, JMO -

Cinda

Driwind Alpacas

Cinda and Gary Young

El Paso, Texas

Phone 915-276-1827

www.driwind.com

<http://www.driwind.com>

<http://www.driwind.com>

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[AlpacaTalk] Fiber Arts

<<And Janice, you're so funny, apprentice with me! I learned how to weave
in college and I can draft patterns like nobody's business, and I can
sew very well, though I'm not a "production" seamstress, that's for
sure! But as for the spinning and felting... I'm just learning, myself!
And I have learned that I am not so crazy about preparing the fleece.
SO tedious! But I have so many things that I want to do, that I'm going
to have to force myself since I don't have the ready funds to send my
fleece off to the mill for processing, even into batts or rovings! And
felting in the bathtub really sucks. :)

Heather>>

Well I am totally intimidated by weaving! Have a wonderful loom given
to me years and years ago. Have never tackled. Used to sew, but
haven't in years. Used to crochet - ditto. Never learned to knit.
Always wanted to quilt - never found time, yet. Have recently been
trying (and trying is the key word here - with a 2yo there is no time to
read - grown up books anyway) to read a book about felting and am
getting very interested as it looks easier and more rewarding than
spinning. Bought a Ashford spinning wheel several years ago with
visions of spinning in front of the fire. HA! Our winters are too
short and I do most of my outside work in the winter when the overgrown
brush is knocked down and I can see what I am doing and the nasty
moisquitoes, etc are taking a break. So my images of peacefully
spinning in front of the fire must be from a previous lifetime! A
lifetime that did not include constantly demanding little ones - the
little buggers, how dare they! And Heidi, I am also always yelling to
close the door "I see dollars flying out the door" is what I say/yell.

But as for just getting started with the spinning and felting.....I was
under the impression you were far along. If not, then I admire your go
get em attitude. I can't find it now but I recall you signing off
recently with a very optimistic and upbeat sig line about making money
on your creations. Love that attitude! I know some time not too long
ago someone posted here that had several decades of fiber art experience
under her belt. I was thinking that was you.

We don't talk fiber much here and perhaps that is a good thing as then
the list might be too busy. But I would love to get discussions going
with others in the fiber/felting/spinning hints and how to and questions
area. I am sure there must already be a yahoo group devoted this. But
do we have a few folks here that would be interested in this as an
offshoot of this list? Or have a list they can recommend? Just what I
need - another list to keep up with - not! Maybe we could do it here
and those not interested could use their delete button?
An acquaintance of mine says she does felting in the car (while her
husband drives). I can't picture that, at least from what I am reading,
it seems a big messy project. But I am thinking I could use all that
not good enough for spinning fiber I collected all those years I had
someone shearing that didn't know what they were doing - from a fiber
standpoint. I collected it all anyway thinking a stuffed doggy pillow
at the very least for old dog bones would be nice and soft and warm.

I know absolutely nothing about how to prepare a fleece; in fact mine is
not a "fleece", it is fiber stuffed in a bag. I just have mine stuffed
in pillow cases and haven't a clue as to what the next/first step is.
It is not cleaned or anything. I am worried about moths and mildew.
Maybe someone here could inform those of us totally ignorant as to what
to do and how to get started. Now that I type this I do believe I have
a vague memory this *was* discussed here earlier this year?

As an aside, I really need to get going on learning this. Our local
area museum is planning to morph into a living history museum over the
next several yuears. They are located in a historically significant old
homestead on the river and they want to recreate the original homestead.
I have always wanted a job at one of these places and covet the job
here. I want to be the herb gardener with the dye plants and be the
spinner and keeper of animals. There are no spinners around here, tho
there is a large guild in Atlanta (about an hour or so away). Here we
have many weavers. If I can become proficient before they get this
going I should be able to get the job. That is my "retirement" plan. I
have been told by spinners in Atlanta that alpaca is not a good fiber to
learn with; that it is one of the more difficult fibers to work with???

Warmly, Janice in GA

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Beet Pulp

<<My formula for feeding moistened beet pulp is very scientific and
difficult. I put both my hands in the bucket of wet beet pulp, scoop it
up and schlup it into the feed pans. Then I top dress with 1/2 handful
of Calf Manna. :)>>

My method is just as scientific as Karen's. I soak up a supply that
will last several days and then just scoop into the feeding buckets. I
always start anything new in small quantities, then if they eat it and
tolerate it well I slowly increase. I am probably giving about 1/2 cup
twice a day and will start to increase this week a bit more.

Our elderly TN Walker horse just could not keep weight on and I ahve
been looking at her ribs all year. I started her on the Senior Seminole
as I had been told it would do miracles. It did, she put on weight and
started looking good again. But Seminole, around here, is very
aggravating to get and required too much arranging and organizing time
and besides was too expensive for me. I studied the label and saw that
beet pulp wast he first ingredient. The rest was exactly the same as
the Tucker Senior Feed I can run over to my close by feed store and pick
up any time I need.....no need for planning weeks ahead of time. So
that is how I came to start using the beet pulp. Now I just add it to
the regular Sr feed. And that is how I came to think about giving it to
my alpacas.....especially the one older female whose body score just
would not come up.

For the 100# dog I just plop a large spoonful (soaked) in his food bowl.
Since yesterday I am adding the T of apple cider vinegar to that, then
his regular food. He licks the bowl clean. Still the cat will not
touch it tho.

After reading here today, I am going to put out a pan for the chix,
ducks, and guineas to see if they too would like some.

What a great way to get meds in our pacas! Thanks for the tip Heidi.

Warmly, Janice in GA

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: Beet Pulp/OT totally

<<Janice, you farm gals just crack me up - SEVENTY blueberry plants! I'm so
jealous, I love them but they don't do well here. I just planted ONE plant
and am babying it along in this heat we've had all week. 96 here again
today.
I just raked in a huge harvest myself - the one lone tomato off our poor
spindly remaining vine! : )

You've all convinced me to finally try the beet pulp for the alpacas and
also my one thin older horse - thanks, everyone!!!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA>>

Oh no Susan, you are going to need more than one blueberry plant! Like
alpacas, they need buddies (for pollination) :-). And mulch mulch
mulch. Every year just keep piling on more mulch. I use newspapers
laid thickly and then cover with a layer of pine straw or bark chips or
whatever ya'll use over there in the tropics :-). They are very shallow
rooted and the mulch will help keep them cooler and help with the
watering and help keep the weeds at bay. I struggle with grass
constantly here. They are also acid loving, so if your soil is
naturally alkaline, you'll need to adjust the ph and use acid mulch -
like pine straw or pine bark chips. Blueberries are SO nutritious and
SO delicious. Everyone should have a few bushes in their yard. They
are care free, never need to prune, little to no insect or disease
problems. It will be several years before you can expect to harvest
your first bowl full. But they will bear for many many many
years....and they send up babies along the main root line so you can
expand!

Good luck! Hey if it's any consolation, I am extremely jealous of your
ability to grow one of my favorite (and most expensive) foods -
avocado!! And Eucalyptus. I used to have a fried that lived in CA and
he would send me a few bundles of E each year. I crush the leaves and
put them in the pot of water I keep on top of my wood stove. It smells
heavenly and is so medicinal and healthy for the respiratory system.
Unfortunately, he has moved back East so I no longer have a source :-(.

And just to bring it back to topic.....I think you will be pleased with
the results from beet pulp on your elderly skinny horse.

Warmly, Janice, shivering in NW GA.
Would kill for a fresh tomato and some fresh basil right about now. I
had to harvest all my basil before the freeze 2 wks ago.....made huge
batches of pesto.....yum yum. Now if I just had some fresh tomatoes to
go with it. But good nonetheless on homemade bread with some sun dried
tomato and olive oil.

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posted by Chaddo at 8:57 AM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Beet Pulp

Hello,

We use beet pulp daily for our aged Fjord stallion who has had problems over the last couple of years keeping weight on.? We have had so much success with this that we now supplement our sheep and last year, our Angora goats (before I sold the herd of goats), with it during the winter.? We also use beet pulp mash for our ewes during their last days of pregnancy and right after labor to help warm them up quickly.?

We use however much beet pulp we have designated per animal-making sure it is the kind that has molasses added-then cover it with extremely hot water to where one can see the water barely covering the beet pulp.? We stir it a few times and let it sit for at least 1/2 hour to hour, then top dress it with whatever grain is being fed to each animal.? For example, with our aged stallion and the ewes, they would get a cup of grain, not pellets, plus some broken up alfafa cubes-just a few, for taste.? Our stallion this year cannot eat?the cubes well, so we went to an alfafa powder.? We turn the bucket over into the feed pan so the grain and alfafa is on the bottom of the feed pan.

We have never had any animal turn their noses up and the pans are empty right away.? Hope this helps!? We are convinced our stallion would not be with us today without the beet pulp because he just was not interested in any of the "normal" senior diets.? Our sheep LOVE it.

Bailey's
White Cloud, MI
231-225-8855
spinner@wildblue.net
www.thebaileystore.info

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posted by Chaddo at 7:57 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Beet Pulp



Hi All,

Just remember to make feed changes gradually so that
you don't send your alpaca into a digestive upset or cause an episode of
PEM (polioencephalomalacia aka polio).

Laurel

Bluebird Hills Farm 
Springfield, Ohio

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