RE: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Milk her more often and clean her out each time---then slowly milk more and more, but slowly.  That builds her milk supply---which she will need to support these kids.    If you can milk her thoroughly 3 times per day---and be sure she has AMPLE food, you can through demand, build her milk supply up.  That is what happens naturally when they all nurse and there is not enough.  One baby goes away hungry and then comes back a little while later to complete the meal. 

 

She will have a supply past which it will not increase---but at only week one, she can build a greater supply than she now has.

 

Good luck.  Enjoy those kids while they are cute!!!

 

Allison

 

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New Moon Alpacas

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Elma, WA 98541

 

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From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alpacameadows@aol.com
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My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

No problem! But I'll tell you what I use for my alpacas. Just whole cow's milk, and when they're little, we do 3/4 4% cow milk, 1/8 heavy cream or whipping cream, and 1/8 vanilla yogurt. They do very well on that diet. 

Heather

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On Mar 20, 2010, at 6:36 PM, alpacameadows@aol.com wrote:

Sorry this post went to the wrong group---lol  so  sorry!

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Sorry this post went to the wrong group---lol  so  sorry!

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[AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

My first timer nubian goat, had triplets, she did reject them, but i'm milking her 2 times a day, and feeding the  kids. She only gives about 1/2 gal. of milk per day,  which i mix with some frozen milk, I had last year, from another goat.  BUT now i'm running out of the frozen milk. And wondering what I  can mix with  moms milk, so there is enough, for each day.  the kids are  a week old, and doing very good,  i'm feeding them at 8:00 12:30, 5:30 and the last feeding at 10:00 at night.  That has been working pretty good.  Should I mix moms milk with kid replacer? I sure hate to change things (formula). But when you run out, you have to do something!  any suggestions?

                                                         Carolyn

 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

If it is endemic in your area, definitely vaccinate against it. No reason to take unnecessary risks.

Heather

Heather Zeleny

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Oregon

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On Mar 20, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Daniel Emmerich wrote:

The vaccine is Lepto Shield 5.  Vaccinate per directions.   It is not a CDT or an 8 or 9 way.  It is a separate vaccine.  Leptospira  spreads from wild life.  Birds, rats, mice, deer, rabbits bring it in and spread it.  If you have cases in your area, vaccinate.  An aborted fetus is heartbreaking for owner and alpaca mom and it is preventable.  There are documented cases for Lepto in alpacas.  Risk management is knowing what is going on in your area and making informed decisions.   
 
My 2 cents. 
 
Peggy. 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich 
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats 
9357 CTY RD O 
Wausau WI 54401 
715.675.0584 
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

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From: ddm0007@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:54:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

Heather,

I'm not sure that it's in the 7 or 8 way. In Dr. Evans manual has it listed separately and it is listed separately on websites where you would

purchase the vaccine. Most farms in our area give CD & T yearly and Ivo once a month. Our vet said there had been documented cases with other livestock

in the area. We don't have any other livestock with or near the alpacas and our dogs have been vaccinated for it. The vet was more concerned with the possibly

of it being spread to humans. Also in Dr. Evans manual: Dr. Pat Long recommended it if there are diagnosed cases in your area.

 

I know that we are in the mindset that we need to vaccinate for everything and have created animals that are drug resistant. However, if there are documented

cases, I don't think I'm willing to take the chance of one of my animals (or family members) getting sick because I didn't vaccinate.

 

There are many schools of thought on this issue and people have to do what they are comfortable with.

Hopefully, I'll hear from some others about this vaccine.

 

Dixie Minnich

Hoagland, IN

 

 

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From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:59 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

I don't have very good info for you, but is it in 7 or 8-way vaccines? We used to give those when we started out, but have chosen the "less is more" approach. We switched to CD&T, then in the last few years have stopped with that, too, since we don't feed corn or grain based feed. We are not in M-worm territory, thankfully, but if we were, we'd be giving the Ivo once a month.

As I understand it, Lepto is only really a problem if alpacas are run with or near other livestock like sheep or goats. Possibly cows, but I'm not sure on that. It's my understanding that goats especially, are little germ and parasite factories. I hope someone with better info will chime in!

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

http://whitelotus.openherd.com

On Mar 19, 2010, at 3:45 PM, dixie.minnich wrote:

I have some questions about leptospira vaccination. I recently had a conversation with my vet about this. He thought it would be a good idea to add this vaccination to our protocol but wasn't having trouble locating information about it for alpacas. I've looked in Dr. Evans manual and there are different opinions about this. We do have documented cases in our area. If anyone has experience with this vaccination, could you contact me privately atddm0007@aol.com
Thanks.
Dixie Minnich
Hoagland, IN

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

The vaccine is Lepto Shield 5.  Vaccinate per directions.   It is not a CDT or an 8 or 9 way.  It is a separate vaccine.  Leptospira  spreads from wild life.  Birds, rats, mice, deer, rabbits bring it in and spread it.  If you have cases in your area, vaccinate.  An aborted fetus is heartbreaking for owner and alpaca mom and it is preventable.  There are documented cases for Lepto in alpacas.  Risk management is knowing what is going on in your area and making informed decisions.  
 
My 2 cents.
 
Peggy.

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

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To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: ddm0007@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:54:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

Heather,

I'm not sure that it's in the 7 or 8 way. In Dr. Evans manual has it listed separately and it is listed separately on websites where you would

purchase the vaccine. Most farms in our area give CD & T yearly and Ivo once a month. Our vet said there had been documented cases with other livestock

in the area. We don't have any other livestock with or near the alpacas and our dogs have been vaccinated for it. The vet was more concerned with the possibly

of it being spread to humans. Also in Dr. Evans manual: Dr. Pat Long recommended it if there are diagnosed cases in your area.

 

I know that we are in the mindset that we need to vaccinate for everything and have created animals that are drug resistant. However, if there are documented

cases, I don't think I'm willing to take the chance of one of my animals (or family members) getting sick because I didn't vaccinate.

 

There are many schools of thought on this issue and people have to do what they are comfortable with.

Hopefully, I'll hear from some others about this vaccine.

 

Dixie Minnich

Hoagland, IN

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:59 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

I don't have very good info for you, but is it in 7 or 8-way vaccines? We used to give those when we started out, but have chosen the "less is more" approach. We switched to CD&T, then in the last few years have stopped with that, too, since we don't feed corn or grain based feed. We are not in M-worm territory, thankfully, but if we were, we'd be giving the Ivo once a month.

As I understand it, Lepto is only really a problem if alpacas are run with or near other livestock like sheep or goats. Possibly cows, but I'm not sure on that. It's my understanding that goats especially, are little germ and parasite factories. I hope someone with better info will chime in!

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

http://whitelotus.openherd.com

On Mar 19, 2010, at 3:45 PM, dixie.minnich wrote:

I have some questions about leptospira vaccination. I recently had a conversation with my vet about this. He thought it would be a good idea to add this vaccination to our protocol but wasn't having trouble locating information about it for alpacas. I've looked in Dr. Evans manual and there are different opinions about this. We do have documented cases in our area. If anyone has experience with this vaccination, could you contact me privately atddm0007@aol.com
Thanks.
Dixie Minnich
Hoagland, IN

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

Heather,

I'm not sure that it's in the 7 or 8 way. In Dr. Evans manual has it listed separately and it is listed separately on websites where you would

purchase the vaccine. Most farms in our area give CD & T yearly and Ivo once a month. Our vet said there had been documented cases with other livestock

in the area. We don't have any other livestock with or near the alpacas and our dogs have been vaccinated for it. The vet was more concerned with the possibly

of it being spread to humans. Also in Dr. Evans manual: Dr. Pat Long recommended it if there are diagnosed cases in your area.

 

I know that we are in the mindset that we need to vaccinate for everything and have created animals that are drug resistant. However, if there are documented

cases, I don't think I'm willing to take the chance of one of my animals (or family members) getting sick because I didn't vaccinate.

 

There are many schools of thought on this issue and people have to do what they are comfortable with.

Hopefully, I'll hear from some others about this vaccine.

 

Dixie Minnich

Hoagland, IN

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:59 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] leptospira

 

I don't have very good info for you, but is it in 7 or 8-way vaccines? We used to give those when we started out, but have chosen the "less is more" approach. We switched to CD&T, then in the last few years have stopped with that, too, since we don't feed corn or grain based feed. We are not in M-worm territory, thankfully, but if we were, we'd be giving the Ivo once a month.

As I understand it, Lepto is only really a problem if alpacas are run with or near other livestock like sheep or goats. Possibly cows, but I'm not sure on that. It's my understanding that goats especially, are little germ and parasite factories. I hope someone with better info will chime in!

Heather

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com

http://whitelotus.openherd.com

On Mar 19, 2010, at 3:45 PM, dixie.minnich wrote:

I have some questions about leptospira vaccination. I recently had a conversation with my vet about this. He thought it would be a good idea to add this vaccination to our protocol but wasn't having trouble locating information about it for alpacas. I've looked in Dr. Evans manual and there are different opinions about this. We do have documented cases in our area. If anyone has experience with this vaccination, could you contact me privately atddm0007@aol.com
Thanks.
Dixie Minnich
Hoagland, IN

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