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Thursday, March 25, 2010

[AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca business questions

 

Gary,

Thank you for your thoughts.

I know I am getting an attorney and a tax advisor before I make the final decisions. I expected to get an LLC but am being told it is probably better to get several. That thought really tossed my mind into the wind. As I understood it, the idea is to safe guard my personal property, the land, the animals as different entities. I can do this online and it is not expensive, however I am feeling more comfortable hiring a professional to set me up as a business. And guide me thru the process. I just don't know the differences between a LLC, Incorporation and a Sub-S or C-Corp.

Thanks, I will need to look into the store license. Not something I was thinking I would need but selling the fiber, yarn and handmade items will probably become part of the operation. I know I am looking forward to getting my scarf made from my own alpaca fiber.

In Owenton there are a couple small local feed stores, Southern States is the large store. I get most of my feed from Tractor Supply in Williamstown. They have always been very friendly and helpful.

Of the crazy little details that are driving me nuts is the name of the farm. It has been joked about and renamed a couple times in the last 8 years. With the creation of a company, it has to become permanent. I have taken some flack about calling it a ranch. "Ranches are supposed to be flat, on the plains and large." I have 70 acres but it is all hills, bumps and 50% wooded.

I am open to everyone's thoughts.

Ken Hoh
Alpaca Hoh Ranch
Owenton, KY 40359

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Gary & Maryann Simpson" <info1@...> wrote:
>
> Ken:
>
> There are may be some who have better advice than me, but we incorporated & elected Sub-S status.
> I don't know about Kentucky but in Ohio it takes only three forms.
> Downloading and filing articles of incorporation with the State, requesting a Tax I.D. # from the IRS and
> once those steps are complete, downloading & filing the sub-s election.
> The cost was $125
> You can have an accountant or attorney do it for you if your not comfortable, but of course it costs more.
>
> If you're going to have a farm store and sell product, in Ohio you also need a vendors license. ($25)
> This allows you to charge sales tax on in state sales of product. Which you're required to do.
> Also, out of state shows will furnish you a temporary sales tax number if you're selling product in a booth.
> You have to charge that state's sales tax rate and file with them.
>
> Sub-S corp provides a level of protection from your personal assets and affords many benefits.
> C-Corp provides a greater level of protection of personal assets, but is a little more stringent and
> costly to maintain.
>
> Would also recommend a farm/ranch or liability policy since you will be having the general public on
> your property, or liability like a dog biting someone, or an animal gets loose and causes an accident......
>
> We're a litigious society it seems so everything helps.
>
> As far as tax benefits I would see your accountant or ask around the other Kentucky owners to see
> if they use a particular accountant that is familiar with the benefits of alpaca ownership.
>
> Also Ken. What is the best feed store in and around Owenton?
>
> Best regards,
> Gary
>
> Gary Simpson
> Tri-Valley Alpacas, Inc.
> Brookville, OH
> PH .513-919-8235
> www.tri-valleyalpacas.com
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Oh!  Cutest cria pix ever!  Love that diaper!  : )
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
http://www.openherd.com/FarmPage.aspx?Farm=433

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So, are current AOBA members receiving their promised volumes of Alpacas Magazine this year?

Heather

Heather Zeleny
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Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I apologize for thinking you stopped the below referenced post.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Stopped what reply? I have only replied to you via email, to posts that came to my inbox from Yahoo, except for the last from me last night.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:11 PM, J Guerin wrote:


When you stopped my reply, re you said your baby had gotten the shits from the replacer, that is moderating.
 
Yes, I have in the past disagreed with others, suggested using the replacer in fact.  You never said a thing then against what I had said.  Why now?
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Good lord Jim,


Again, I have not moderated your posts. I wonder why you keep insisting that I have? If you look at your posts, it does look like you disagree with me. Other people have also posted their preference for feeding bottle babies, with formulas similar to mine, yet you haven't disagreed with them. So why would I think you go out of your way to disagree with me? 

Once again, this is infinitely childish and I'm very tired of it. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:23 AM, J Guerin wrote:


Heather,
 
I am having a VERY hard time understanding why you feel I have been attacking you or your posts. 
 
You stated your feelings.  I did not agree with them, and so stated.  Again you took it personal.  That was not my intention, just stating I used the product, and had no problems with it.
 
I have no ill feelings towards you.
 
What happened between you and, as you put it last year, ' My little friend', has nothing to do with me.  No, I am not pissed off about that.
 
If you feel that just because I disagree with you, and you moderate me, so be it. 
 
It is a poor state of affairs, when I, or any one else, can not have an opinion.  Oh, yes, we can, as long as it is the same as the one that stated theirs, yours in this case.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Jim,


I have tried to use restraint and not use the "moderator" authority in my dealings with you so far. However, as I have stated privately to you, if you had treated any other member the way you have constantly treated me since last summer, I would have had no choice but to deal with the situation in a much more timely manner. I have put up with it longer than I would in any other setting. 

I will now ask you directly to stop attacking my posts and apparently going out of your way to find any point of disagreement with any of my thoughts or opinions.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:46 PM, J Guerin wrote:


Heather, exactly what do you mean ' On any other group, well, things would be quite different.' Please explain.
 
>But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies? >
 
It worked for Brandie.  She hasn't turned into a cannibal.  As I stated, if need be, I will use it again.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I have to wonder if either of you actually read the words on my posts or just go off making assumptions about what you think I meant...


I did not label all milk replacer as anything. I said I would not use it again. I also clearly stated that I had mixed it according to the package directions for alpacas.

The two of you really should read a little more carefully before making your replies. On any other group, well, things would be quite different.


But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies?



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:22 PM, cedar_grove_alpacas@comcast.net wrote:


Jim;


 

Good point. We have never had problems with a cria being on milk replacer here.


 

We bought the same thing Jim did and we have never had a problem with it in our sheep, goat kids, or the bottle baby pacas we had. Maybe it was the way it was mixed or just not accepted well by the cria's system. Either way, I agree with Jim. One can't all label milk replacer as a horrible option because of a few bad experiences. I know several farm who won't feed anything else to their bottle babies and all have done well.


 

Maegan


----- Original Message -----
From: "J Guerin" <jgyelwa@ywave.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:09:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 


How can you blame the milk replacer for nearly loosing your baby?  I would think the heat stroke / dehydration had more to do with the problem, than the replacer.
 
The milk replacer is not more economical??  When I had my bottle baby, Brandie, I was buying goats milk at Wally World.  It came out to more than $16 a Gallon.  At one point, a snow storm closed the mountain pass, so the shipment couldn't get over the hump ( mountain ).  I got a product called Grade A Ultra 24, a multi-purpose, multi species milk replacer, it was $33 for  eight lbs. I added a Tbl spoon of plain yogurt per quart also.  It came out to about a dollar a quart.  Brandie sucked down 20 oz at each feeding.  She is doing and looking very well.
 
Labeling all milk replacer as bad, or useless, is a disservice to everyone.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 









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[AlpacaTalk] RE: what to use?

 

<<< I just love the idea of a cria in the house! I wanna House Cria! : )

SUSAN OLSON>>>

Me too Susan! I have long wanted a tub dolphin, now I want a tv
watching cria laying next to my couch :-).
How's that baby of yours? Did you ever figure out what the long stringy
white stuff was?
No cria for me this year :-(. Which considering the winter we've had
that is probably for the best. I will be putting the male and female
together here in the next few days IF it will EVER stop raining. I
want to be able to observe them as they accidently spend the night
together a couple of month back.....sooner than I had planned, so it may
already be a done deal. I have had my matriarch in the pasture with my
stud for the past week and he is just not interested in her, never has
been :-(. He only has eyes for Lucy Locket. My other stud, Charlie
Brown, was just the opposite. Oh how he loved the matriarch. They were
life long companions. She has not been mated since he passed over 3yrs
ago. She is 10yo now and I probably won't try again. I was hoping
that the current stud would be so ahem "interested" after being
separated from the females for the past year that he would get over his
shyness. But he's just not that into her, or is so intimidated by her
status......not sure which.
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: What to use?

 

<<<< I have also house broken a couple.They went in and out with my
small house dogs.
While using the diapers we used Desitine on the little butt to make
sure no irration started. Alpacas seem to love TV.They ussually will
cush on the rug between the couch and coffee table and watch whatever
was on.On nice days he went out in the pasture with the other cria and
moms.His mom died at six weeks and his sister took to looking after him
when he was out in the field very sweet. Just what has worked for
me--hope it might help others too.
Tina Travis >>>

Oh Tina, that is just *too* cute! I hope you got pictures :-).
Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Stopped what reply? I have only replied to you via email, to posts that came to my inbox from Yahoo, except for the last from me last night.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:11 PM, J Guerin wrote:


When you stopped my reply, re you said your baby had gotten the shits from the replacer, that is moderating.
 
Yes, I have in the past disagreed with others, suggested using the replacer in fact.  You never said a thing then against what I had said.  Why now?
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Good lord Jim,


Again, I have not moderated your posts. I wonder why you keep insisting that I have? If you look at your posts, it does look like you disagree with me. Other people have also posted their preference for feeding bottle babies, with formulas similar to mine, yet you haven't disagreed with them. So why would I think you go out of your way to disagree with me? 

Once again, this is infinitely childish and I'm very tired of it. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:23 AM, J Guerin wrote:


Heather,
 
I am having a VERY hard time understanding why you feel I have been attacking you or your posts. 
 
You stated your feelings.  I did not agree with them, and so stated.  Again you took it personal.  That was not my intention, just stating I used the product, and had no problems with it.
 
I have no ill feelings towards you.
 
What happened between you and, as you put it last year, ' My little friend', has nothing to do with me.  No, I am not pissed off about that.
 
If you feel that just because I disagree with you, and you moderate me, so be it. 
 
It is a poor state of affairs, when I, or any one else, can not have an opinion.  Oh, yes, we can, as long as it is the same as the one that stated theirs, yours in this case.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Jim,


I have tried to use restraint and not use the "moderator" authority in my dealings with you so far. However, as I have stated privately to you, if you had treated any other member the way you have constantly treated me since last summer, I would have had no choice but to deal with the situation in a much more timely manner. I have put up with it longer than I would in any other setting. 

I will now ask you directly to stop attacking my posts and apparently going out of your way to find any point of disagreement with any of my thoughts or opinions.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:46 PM, J Guerin wrote:


Heather, exactly what do you mean ' On any other group, well, things would be quite different.' Please explain.
 
>But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies? >
 
It worked for Brandie.  She hasn't turned into a cannibal.  As I stated, if need be, I will use it again.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

I have to wonder if either of you actually read the words on my posts or just go off making assumptions about what you think I meant...


I did not label all milk replacer as anything. I said I would not use it again. I also clearly stated that I had mixed it according to the package directions for alpacas.

The two of you really should read a little more carefully before making your replies. On any other group, well, things would be quite different.


But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies?



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 24, 2010, at 1:22 PM, cedar_grove_alpacas@comcast.net wrote:


Jim;


 

Good point. We have never had problems with a cria being on milk replacer here.


 

We bought the same thing Jim did and we have never had a problem with it in our sheep, goat kids, or the bottle baby pacas we had. Maybe it was the way it was mixed or just not accepted well by the cria's system. Either way, I agree with Jim. One can't all label milk replacer as a horrible option because of a few bad experiences. I know several farm who won't feed anything else to their bottle babies and all have done well.


 

Maegan


----- Original Message -----
From: "J Guerin" <jgyelwa@ywave.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:09:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 


How can you blame the milk replacer for nearly loosing your baby?  I would think the heat stroke / dehydration had more to do with the problem, than the replacer.
 
The milk replacer is not more economical??  When I had my bottle baby, Brandie, I was buying goats milk at Wally World.  It came out to more than $16 a Gallon.  At one point, a snow storm closed the mountain pass, so the shipment couldn't get over the hump ( mountain ).  I got a product called Grade A Ultra 24, a multi-purpose, multi species milk replacer, it was $33 for  eight lbs. I added a Tbl spoon of plain yogurt per quart also.  It came out to about a dollar a quart.  Brandie sucked down 20 oz at each feeding.  She is doing and looking very well.
 
Labeling all milk replacer as bad, or useless, is a disservice to everyone.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 









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For a few days I had put a diaper on Brandie while she was in the house.  That was a chore!!  I didn't have enough hands.
 
After a few days, and I had gotten a very large folding dog pen, I modified her stall in the house so she had a door to go in.  Before, I had to lift her in and out.  I decided to leave the diaper off and just keep an eye on her. 
 
When she had to potty, she would go in her stall, even when she was wearing the diaper and I had to lift her in, she would assume the position.
 
She would wonder around the house and even help with sorting paper work off my desk.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:44 AM
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Did you really put diapers on a cria? I can't tell if you[re pulling my leg or not!


So sad that mama died when the baby was 6 weeks old, though. Poor babies.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Tina Travis wrote:


         It helps out alot when you have cria wear diapers in the house.Works best with females but buying a lrger size and altering them with safety pins or tying the extra bulk with a hair tie or vecro will work for the boys.They make belly bands wih a pad in them for male dogs that tend to mark when in the house.That would work well on boys.I forgot to say the diaper needs to have a slit in it for the tail to come threw.
 
I  have also house broken a couple.They went in and out with my small house dogs.
While using the diapers we used Desitine on the little butt to make sure no irration started. Alpacas seem to love TV.They ussually will cush on the rug between the couch and coffee table and watch whatever was on.On nice days he went out in the pasture with the other cria and moms.His mom died at six weeks and his sister took to looking after him when he was out in the field very sweet. Just what has worked for me--hope it might help others too.

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!



From: J Guerin <jgyelwa@ywave.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 1:30:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

My bottle baby always had good poop, even while she was on the replacer.  I know this for a FACT, she lived in my house at night, and when she went to her stall, in the house, she would poop and pee.  I would get the pail behind her, so she wouldn't mess up her bed.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?

 

Oh, by the way, $1/qt is $4 per gallon. I got my whole cow's milk for $4 for 2 gallons, and a half gallon of whipping cream at Costco was about $5. So yes, I'd say the replacer was definitely NOT cost effective since my cria had to take 2-3 times the volume and still didn't always gain weight.


As for nearly losing her to heat stroke and dehydration, well, while she was on the replacer, she never had proper poop. Always very soft or sometimes liquid. As many of you know, diarrhea is a major cause of dehydration and weight loss. After I started on the cow's milk, instantly, good poop and she's never had scours since.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, J Guerin wrote:


How can you blame the milk replacer for nearly loosing your baby?  I would think the heat stroke / dehydration had more to do with the problem, than the replacer.
 
The milk replacer is not more economical??  When I had my bottle baby, Brandie, I was buying goats milk at Wally World.  It came out to more than $16 a Gallon.  At one point, a snow storm closed the mountain pass, so the shipment couldn't get over the hump ( mountain ).  I got a product called Grade A Ultra 24, a multi-purpose, multi species milk replacer, it was $33 for  eight lbs. I added a Tbl spoon of plain yogurt per quart also.  It came out to about a dollar a quart.  Brandie sucked down 20 oz at each feeding.  She is doing and looking very well.
 
Labeling all milk replacer as bad, or useless, is a disservice to everyone.
 
Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA




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