Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?
Stopped what reply? I have only replied to you via email, to posts that came to my inbox from Yahoo, except for the last from me last night.
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:11 PM, J Guerin wrote:
When you stopped my reply, re you said your baby had gotten the shits from the replacer, that is moderating.Yes, I have in the past disagreed with others, suggested using the replacer in fact. You never said a thing then against what I had said. Why now?Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA----- Original Message -----From: Heather ZelenySent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:33 AMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?Good lord Jim,
Again, I have not moderated your posts. I wonder why you keep insisting that I have? If you look at your posts, it does look like you disagree with me. Other people have also posted their preference for feeding bottle babies, with formulas similar to mine, yet you haven't disagreed with them. So why would I think you go out of your way to disagree with me?Once again, this is infinitely childish and I'm very tired of it.HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite FleeceOn Mar 25, 2010, at 12:23 AM, J Guerin wrote:Heather,I am having a VERY hard time understanding why you feel I have been attacking you or your posts.You stated your feelings. I did not agree with them, and so stated. Again you took it personal. That was not my intention, just stating I used the product, and had no problems with it.I have no ill feelings towards you.What happened between you and, as you put it last year, ' My little friend', has nothing to do with me. No, I am not pissed off about that.If you feel that just because I disagree with you, and you moderate me, so be it.It is a poor state of affairs, when I, or any one else, can not have an opinion. Oh, yes, we can, as long as it is the same as the one that stated theirs, yours in this case.Jim Guerin
Jimmini FarmYelm, WA----- Original Message -----From: Heather ZelenySent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:10 AMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?Jim,
I have tried to use restraint and not use the "moderator" authority in my dealings with you so far. However, as I have stated privately to you, if you had treated any other member the way you have constantly treated me since last summer, I would have had no choice but to deal with the situation in a much more timely manner. I have put up with it longer than I would in any other setting.I will now ask you directly to stop attacking my posts and apparently going out of your way to find any point of disagreement with any of my thoughts or opinions.HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite FleeceOn Mar 24, 2010, at 11:46 PM, J Guerin wrote:Heather, exactly what do you mean ' On any other group, well, things would be quite different.' Please explain.>But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies? >It worked for Brandie. She hasn't turned into a cannibal. As I stated, if need be, I will use it again.Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA----- Original Message -----From: Heather ZelenySent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:30 PMSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?I have to wonder if either of you actually read the words on my posts or just go off making assumptions about what you think I meant...
I did not label all milk replacer as anything. I said I would not use it again. I also clearly stated that I had mixed it according to the package directions for alpacas.The two of you really should read a little more carefully before making your replies. On any other group, well, things would be quite different.But again, that replacer is made from rendered animal fat and proteins. Is that the sort of thing you really want to feed your ruminant babies?HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasOregonHolistic Farm and Elite FleeceJim;
Good point. We have never had problems with a cria being on milk replacer here.
We bought the same thing Jim did and we have never had a problem with it in our sheep, goat kids, or the bottle baby pacas we had. Maybe it was the way it was mixed or just not accepted well by the cria's system. Either way, I agree with Jim. One can't all label milk replacer as a horrible option because of a few bad experiences. I know several farm who won't feed anything else to their bottle babies and all have done well.
Maegan
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Guerin" <jgyelwa@ywave.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:09:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] what to use?
How can you blame the milk replacer for nearly loosing your baby? I would think the heat stroke / dehydration had more to do with the problem, than the replacer.The milk replacer is not more economical?? When I had my bottle baby, Brandie, I was buying goats milk at Wally World. It came out to more than $16 a Gallon. At one point, a snow storm closed the mountain pass, so the shipment couldn't get over the hump ( mountain ). I got a product called Grade A Ultra 24, a multi-purpose, multi species milk replacer, it was $33 for eight lbs. I added a Tbl spoon of plain yogurt per quart also. It came out to about a dollar a quart. Brandie sucked down 20 oz at each feeding. She is doing and looking very well.Labeling all milk replacer as bad, or useless, is a disservice to everyone.Jim GuerinJimmini FarmYelm, WA
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