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Thursday, January 27, 2011

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alfalfa hay

 

Does anyone know if cedar branches or other types of pine besides ponderosa are harmful to alpacas?  That is a great idea, Dani  we have lots of pine trees here that need to be trimmed but I don't know what type they are - I'll have to find out before feeding it to the alpacas.
 
SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA
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In a message dated 1/26/2011 8:31:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, edana_mckenzie@earthlink.net writes:
Especially since our pastures are miniscule to the altaplano. Giving them different hay, pine tree branches (they love the needles, just make sure it's not ponderosa pine), or other treats will help their attitude.

Cheers,

Dani

Dani McKenzie & Hovey Moore
Longbottom Meadows
Roy, WA 98580
www.longbottommeadows.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fetal Heart Tones

 

I have used a baby monitor on the alpacas without much luck.  However, maybe a more experienced person or vet could do it - I really didn't know where to place it.
 
SUSAN OLSON
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] snarky post

 

There are plenty of mini mills that will process your fleece. For as much as $40 per pound (highest price I've seen so far), you can have it spun into yarn, and that price includes scouring and carding, and then you can sell it for $7 per ounce, which comes to $5 per ounce profit, minus any shipping charges, by my math.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
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On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:08 PM, J Guerin wrote:

 

There was also an offer of $5 a pound from the blanket project or something like that.
 
I would like to find a mill close to home to have my fleece spun.
 
Jim Guerin
Yelm, WA
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] snarky post

 

Did everyone see that eBlast from the people who want to buy your fleeces, minimum 3.5", and sorted, grades 1-4, for UP TO $3 a POUND?


For crying out loud, I hope no one falls for this. Getting a fleece sorted is at least $15 per fleece, and cost of shearing, and shipping... I think you'd lose money on this deal. Much better to send it to a local mini mill and have it spun to sell.

Heather

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White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] snarky post

 

There was also an offer of $5 a pound from the blanket project or something like that.
 
I would like to find a mill close to home to have my fleece spun.
 
Jim Guerin
Yelm, WA
 
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Did everyone see that eBlast from the people who want to buy your fleeces, minimum 3.5", and sorted, grades 1-4, for UP TO $3 a POUND?


For crying out loud, I hope no one falls for this. Getting a fleece sorted is at least $15 per fleece, and cost of shearing, and shipping... I think you'd lose money on this deal. Much better to send it to a local mini mill and have it spun to sell.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Urgent: Monsanto's GE Alfalfa Approved

 

I can't agree with this strongly enough. Monsanto cannot be given free reign over our food crops, or our livestock feed crops! Monsanto's GM crops are documented to have tainted crops worldwide, and then Monsanto sues the injured farmer!, for theft of their intellectual property or some ridiculous garbage like that. 


Please do, write to the President and to your state senators and representatives, do not let Monsanto take control of our agriculture!


Heather

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On Jan 27, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Nanny Goat wrote:

 



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sarah Alexander, Food & Water Watch <fwwatch@mail.democracyinaction.org>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Urgent: Monsanto's GE Alfalfa Approved
To: nanygoat@gmail.com


Food & Water Watch: Advocating for our right to safe, affordable, healthy food and water.


The USDA Just Announced Final Approval of Monsanto's GE Alfalfa
Take Action NOW to Demand President Obama Reverse this Decision



Dear Nan,

Genetically Engineered Alfalfa Has Been Approved, But President Obama Can Have the Final Say


Demand President Obama
Stop GE Alfalfa!

We just found out that Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack approved Monsanto's genetically engineered alfalfa for widespread planting this spring. This is outrageous and wrong, and it will hurt organic farmers.

Demand that President Obama reverse this disastrous approval. 


The USDA decision to allow GE alfalfa to be planted unleashes another unnecessary genetically engineered crop into our environment and puts organic farmers at risk of widespread GE contamination. The agency did no real assessment of the harm that GE alfalfa could do, and caved to pressure from big agribusiness to approve this genetically engineered crop before the spring planting season.

President Obama is the last line of defense, and can stop the widespread planting of Monsanto's GE alfalfa. Take action now to demand President Obama stop this disastrous approval.

http://action.foodandwaterwatch.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5667

Thanks for taking action,

Sarah Alexander
Outreach Director
Food & Water Watch
goodfood(at)fwwatch(dot)org




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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE:corn

 

     DeDe It started with alfalfa fasy went to corn & scratch grain.I actually changed yhe heading to corn. But over yhe last week or more several sites & most of the same people have been posting with this debate.See I have way too much time on my hands being stuck in for some many hours.Health reasons......



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On Jan 27, 2011 4:38 PM, hrpufnstuf13@yahoo.com <hrpufnstuf13@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Actually, someone was saying they feed chicken scratch to alpacas, that's how this thread began...

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD

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From: "Tina Travis" <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com>
Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:33:13 -0600
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Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE:corn

 

              The Drs on site talked a couple weeks ago about the risk & the research showing corn as a poor choice. That is how the alfalfa post got started.......



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On Jan 27, 2011 11:35 AM, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dr Chris Cebra at Oregon State has been lecturing for years about the problems of feeding corn to livestock, especially camelids. We lost a color champion solid dark rose grey female to a perforated ulcer on her first birthday when we fed the locally made alpaca pellet, that was fed by a large number of farms in the region. The corn and other mystery "grain by-products" or "agricultural by-products" are just not good food for alpacas. Actually not good food for any livestock. 

After this death occurred, my mom had a custom feed made based on alfalfa, with only enough grain to act as a binder to keep the pellet form. 

Yes, people will tell you that all of those grain products must be fine feed, otherwise why would they feed it? Well, cattle only get grain in the feed lots during the last month or so before slaughter. And while they are in those feed lots, they are quite sick and need to be dosed with antibiotics to keep them alive until slaughter. 

I have seen many studies showing this by-product or that, are quality animal feeds. I have even seen papers saying that poultry litter is excellent livestock feed. 

This topic has been discussed at length here and other discussion groups. 

One more quick point regarding beet pulp, I don't think it's necessary to feed it for the purpose of adding fiber to the diet, hay itself is really chock full of fiber. And I have read that many alpacas are allergic to it. And certainly the product treated with molasses is not advised at all.

Simpler is better. If we did not have our custom feed, we would feed nothing but our 2nd cut orchard grass hay with free choice Stillwater 104 mineral/vitamin mix, and some dairy grade alfalfa, no more than 1 lb per head per day.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

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[AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Urgent: Monsanto's GE Alfalfa Approved

 



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sarah Alexander, Food & Water Watch <fwwatch@mail.democracyinaction.org>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Urgent: Monsanto's GE Alfalfa Approved
To: nanygoat@gmail.com


Food & Water Watch: Advocating for our right to safe, affordable, healthy food and water.

The USDA Just Announced Final Approval of Monsanto's GE Alfalfa
Take Action NOW to Demand President Obama Reverse this Decision


Dear Nan,

Genetically Engineered Alfalfa Has Been Approved, But President Obama Can Have the Final Say


Demand President Obama
Stop GE Alfalfa!

We just found out that Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack approved Monsanto's genetically engineered alfalfa for widespread planting this spring. This is outrageous and wrong, and it will hurt organic farmers.

Demand that President Obama reverse this disastrous approval. 


The USDA decision to allow GE alfalfa to be planted unleashes another unnecessary genetically engineered crop into our environment and puts organic farmers at risk of widespread GE contamination. The agency did no real assessment of the harm that GE alfalfa could do, and caved to pressure from big agribusiness to approve this genetically engineered crop before the spring planting season.

President Obama is the last line of defense, and can stop the widespread planting of Monsanto's GE alfalfa. Take action now to demand President Obama stop this disastrous approval.

http://action.foodandwaterwatch.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5667

Thanks for taking action,

Sarah Alexander
Outreach Director
Food & Water Watch
goodfood(at)fwwatch(dot)org


Food & Water Watch is a nonprofit consumer organization that works to ensure clean water and safe food. We challenge the corporate control and abuse of our food and water resources by empowering people to take action and by transforming the public consciousness about what we eat and drink.

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[AlpacaTalk] snarky post

 

Did everyone see that eBlast from the people who want to buy your fleeces, minimum 3.5", and sorted, grades 1-4, for UP TO $3 a POUND?


For crying out loud, I hope no one falls for this. Getting a fleece sorted is at least $15 per fleece, and cost of shearing, and shipping... I think you'd lose money on this deal. Much better to send it to a local mini mill and have it spun to sell.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece





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