Hi Stephanie,
You asked, "What did JRT say?" Well.it was about 2+ years ago.so my
recollection is hazy, but it was all knee jerk stuff.not about alpacas at
all.just personal "invective" and "vitriol".type comments. I did not keep
them but I suppose lots of other folks saw it and thought it was odd enough
to hang on to.just general flaming with bad words thrown in is my general
recollection. It is just that it stood out as peculiar types of stuff to
post on an ALPACA site-not the sort of postings we normally see there.
What folks are asking me about is not what was in those posts, but did any
of the "new" moderators purge the archives of those posts. The answer, so
far as I know it is that no moderator, except an owner, has access to purge
or change the settings on the archives.so that answer must be a resounding
"NO".
What I have been told is the reason that so many folks have written both me
and the new moderators .is that now the archive suddenly does not have those
posts in it any more. ONLY those posts appear to now be missing. However,
since the list is so large, some of the folks who were there then have kept
the JRT posts.so if they are missing, other folks on the list can still
supply replacements...which is neither here nor there.
The folks querying me appear to be much more interested in why the posts are
now suddenly missing from the archives than any real need to see them after
all this time.
It is overall unimportant when compared to getting that site up, running
sanely, with new fair and fairly enforced rules.and no repeat bad behavior.
That is the more crucial focus than what used to be in the archives that has
very little to do with any industry important issues or information.
While the general brouhaha is unimportant..it seems to me that getting the
site on an even keel with fair and fairly enforced rules, some back up for
the moderator.and "open government" with free expression to the extent such
things are possible there .are all important goals we should discuss,
encourage and require because, no matter who owns the site, nominally.in the
end, it is the industry's site, not any one persons personal 'baby'.
Best Regards,
Allison
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stardust Alpacas
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 2:39 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group
Allison,
Do you know what Judy Root said? I was not tuned in to
AS, so I missed it. From my experiences with her, I
have a feeling it wasn't very good!
Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. True.
I know I have pissed people off before and there is a
pretty good chance I will do it again sometime! But,
when you try to censor people from saying things, then
you are wrong.
I was put on perma-moderate on AS because there was a
farm that had all their alpacas killed. Everyone else
was being understanding and comforting to the person.
They were rallying to get the sheriff involved and the
dogs shot. I made a mistake by saying that the farm
owner is ultimately responsible for the dog attacks.
It is every farm's responsibility to keep trees away
from the fence line, keep gates secure and fencing
adequate. If these things are not done, then you may
have a problem. I was not being sensitive and caring,
but just stating the real cold, hard facts of the
matter and thus I was put on moderate. Now, my posts
are completely ignored and I get a message from Yahoo
saying that my posts are deleted after 14 days when
the moderator hasn't looked at them.
This will not be a Rick free zone, unfortunately.
Heather makes it a point to let everyone be heard
regardless of POV. Democracy and education on
AlpacaTalk!
Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas
--- Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net
<mailto:aemoss17%40comcast.net> > wrote:
> AYE,
>
>
>
> To be honest, I don't think Rick's behaviors, as
> moderator or "posting
> guest" would differ. We are taught in Judge School
> that the best predictor
> of future behavior in adults is their past record.
> How sad!
>
>
>
> Especially since the post clean slate behavior.I
> have been told..has
> included "purging" the archives of all the old Judy
> Rootie Tootie posts..
>
>
>
> That, IF true, and the source is reliable in my
> book, means that he's still
> trying to modify reality to suit his needs.which is
> not a benchmark for
> success at AS!
>
>
>
> So I come here to learn more of important political
> issues. When this all
> started.I automatically set up my original response
> to Rick to also post to
> A-politics.and it took 2 days to show up In my
> folder for that site, so I'd
> bet I'm moderated there. Now, I'm not a "moderator"
> of that site either.but
> we know who is.
>
>
>
> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> 408/248-3581
>
> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Radched@aol.com <mailto:Radched%40aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:06 AM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of
> group
>
>
>
> LOL Aye!? Saw Heather's post first, so I already
> broke a rule -?ROTFLMAO!
>
> Ok, again, anyone with crias due soon?
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-alpacas.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com
<mailto:stardustalpacas%40yahoo.com>
> <mailto:stardustalpacas%40yahoo.com> >
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 9:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of
> group
>
> He put me on perma-moderate on AS over a year ago. I
> finally changed my preference to read-only, so I
> don't
> have to listen to the daily BS anymore and the rules
> and fines and...then he kicked me off
> AlpacaPolitics.
> I am sick of reading about him and his mood swings.
> How is it that he is free to act out but others are
> put on moderate when they step out of line?
>
> I hereby nominate this a Rick free zone. All in
> favor
> say "aye".
>
> Stephanie
> Stardust Alpacas
>
> --- Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com
<mailto:alpacatalk%40westwindalpacas.com>
> <mailto:alpacatalk%40westwindalpacas.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > Well I'm not sure what you mean about beating my
> > head against the
> > wall... I read AS far less than I do the AN
> "forum,"
> > both have
> > moderator problems, if you ask me, which nobody
> > has... ;>
> >
> > I just think it's time people stop putting up with
> > stupid nonsense
> > dished out by that list owner, and move to a group
> > where that sort of
> > childishness is not tolerated... from the
> > owner/moderator.
> >
> > For him to have named 4 moderators and not given
> > them any ability to
> > actually moderate, I think that is the most
> > insulting and ludicrous
> > thing I've ever seen. Rule #1 in management: Do
> not
> > give responsibility
> > without also granting authority.
> > Rule #1 in my book: If you expect respect, you
> can't
> > act like an ass
> > and treat people like crap whenever you feel like
> > it.
> > I think he has broken both rules, and he breaks my
> > #1 rule constantly.
> > I cannot figure out why people kow-tow to and fawn
> > over him. At least
> > I'm glad to see that more people are seeing the
> > light, and seeing his
> > true colors.
> >
> > Anyway, spread the word that THIS group really
> does
> > respect everyone
> > and their opinions, and we really do treat people
> > like adults.
> >
> > Best,
> > Heather
> >
> > On May 8, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Heidi Christensen
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Not only are we different, but there is nothing
> > we can do about
> > > others' differences. I understand Heather's
> > frustration, but don't
> > > feel that beating her head against the
> proverbial
> > wall is going to
> > > do anything. It won't change Rick, and all it
> > does is bring up more
> > > bad feelings. And yes, I have also been on
> Rick's
> > s**t list, and
> > > when I apologized and tried to explain, he
> called
> > me a liar. Its
> > > not something I have talked about before, and
> > won't again because
> > > nothing positive could come of it.
> > >
> > > I value this site, and alpaca site, and all the
> > others - even the
> > > politics site. But with AS I have gotten to the
> > point where I just
> > > scan the digests every couple days or so, or
> > search the archives if
> > > I have a specific question. I was surprized to
> > read about the 30
> > > day absence and 4 moderators etc etc. But I
> > suppose change is good.
> > >
> > > Heidi Christensen
> > > WingNut Farm
> > > Graham WA
> > >
> > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> , Toni Kester
> > <yarnpeddler1@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I agree! Yeee Haaaw sisters! and brothers
> > too...sorry guys!
> > > > I am so happy to know that there is a place
> > that I can go and
> > > post with out fear of any kind. Heather, thank
> > you so much for
> > > being the kind of person who believes in free
>
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