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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Hi Dede,
Not all grubs are feeding off pasture grass, the dung beetle grubs are feeding off of dung.
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Yep,
>
> Your right, some of them could indeed be dungs, but not all. Also keep in
> mind, the grubs are feeding off the roots of the pasture grass...
> Japanese beetles will demolish a garden quickly if not controlled.
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, Md
> 410 482 7794
> www.dragonflyalpacas.com
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@voyager.net>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:46:45
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
>
>
> Whoa Guys,
> Wait a minute!!!!
> What you likely have is a MAJOR
> asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There
> are
> several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our
> populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who
> have
> pasture animals.
>
> These guys take poop underground vastly
> improving issues with parasites and flies.
> We have two different
> species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm
> weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it.
> They eat pooo, not roots etc.
>
> Do a search on dung beetles and
> you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
> Laurel
> The
> Shouvlins
> Bluebird Hills Farm
> 3617 Derr Road
> Springfield, Ohio 45503
> 937-206-3936
> www.bluebirdhills.com
>
> bluebirdhills@voyager.net
>
>> While there are
> biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
>> it
> will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
>>
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
>
>> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite
> an
>> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow
> the grubs to
>> mature into beetle and that you set up the
> Japanese Beetle traps. The
>> attractant in the traps will attract
> all of the beetles, not just the
>> Japanese beetles. You will
> never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
>> the numbers. We
> have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
>> noticed
> a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>>
>> Roger and
> Dede Crout
>> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
>> Marydel, MD
>> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
>> 410-482-7794
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>>
> -----Original message-----
>>
>
From: Deborah Russell
> <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
>> To:
> "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
>> Subject:
> Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>> grubs
>>
>> The best and safest thing to do with
> the grubs is dig them out and either
>> feed them to some chickens
> or just smash them.  They will morph into
>> beetles
> and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing
> they
>> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I
> would not worry about them.
>>  I do have chickens and
> when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
>> give the
> chickens a treat.  
>> I would not use
> a pesticide at all.  
>>
>  
>> Debbie Hill Russell
>> Fredericksburg, TX
>
>> Russell Hill Ranch
>> russhill@beecreek.net
>>
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
> ________________________________
>>
>
From: jennymt1402002
> <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
>> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
>> Subject:
> [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>>
> grubs
>>
>> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we
> dug up some dirt that he
>> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then
> went to our poop pile that we had been
>> composting and was
> digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
>> with
> grubs.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea on what we could
> use to get rid of the grubs
>> without hurting our alpacas. We can
> keep them penned up while cleaned up
>> the corral and then put
> them in the corral when we took care of their
>> paddocks. Just
> need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
>>
> harm to alpacas.
>>
>> Hope someone has some idea.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Carla
>>
> Country Home Alpacas
>> Mcpherson Kanas
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>
>
>

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

We have used GrubX in the past on our household lawn, but have never
treated the pastures. Not sure how long animals and children have to be
kept off of it.

There is a milky spore I've heard of and I believe it is safe.

Our chickens, guineas, turkeys all come running when we are turning
the compost pile and the grubs are exposed. They act as if it's Christmas!

I guess if humans can eat them on the reality shows (ie Survivor)
the poultry can, too!

Laura

Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
Spotsylvania, VA


-----Original Message-----
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of jennymt1402002
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 3:56 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

We were out in the pasture and noticed when we dug up some dirt that he had
huge grubs in the dirt. We then went to our poop pile that we had been
composting and was digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
with grubs.

Does anyone have any idea on what we could use to get rid of the grubs
without hurting our alpacas. We can keep them penned up while cleaned up the
corral and then put them in the corral when we took care of their paddocks.
Just need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without harm to
alpacas.

Hope someone has some idea.

Thanks in advance

Carla
Country Home Alpacas
Mcpherson Kanas

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Speaking of bugs

 

I absolutely HATE ticks. I haven't found any this year and we found
ONE last year. My secret, you ask? GUINEA FOWL!

The announcement through the media that this year was going to be a
tick infested has served as marketing and advertising for our farm.

We not only breed and sell alpacas, but we also dabble in poultry
sales ........chickens, farm fresh eggs, turkeys, and Guineas. The guineas
have been the most sought after and no doubt, they are voracious bug eaters.
Be it insect or arachnid, if it crawls, flies or slithers, they are on it!
They must have excellent vision, because I've seen them cross the barnyard
to snatch up a yummy morsel that I certainly didn't see!

Those of you who are able, you may want to invest in a few guineas.
But keep in mind, these birds can be noisy and they are adventurers. I
recommend raising keets (baby guineas) with chicks to learn to come in to
roost at night. Birds that roost in trees can be picked off by owls and
other night predators, so they are safer if cooped up at night.

Laura
PS.......We have sold well over 100 guineas since last summer. We eggs in
the incubator and day old keets on their way from a hatchery.

Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
Spotsylvania, VA


-----Original Message-----
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bluebird Hills Farm
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 4:54 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Speaking of bugs

Just a heads up to everyone in the eastern US (and perhaps further west)
All of this warm weather has brought the tick popluations our much earlier,
and they really never went dormant this winter. The ticks appear to be
smaller this year than usual, but they are still dog ticks.

Picked our first mated pair off one of our dogs about three weeks ago. If
you find one of those fat grey females, there is a much smaller male right
beside her 99% of the time.
Picked my first one off me last week, and the dogs have them daily as we go
on daily walks in our woods gathering a new crop.

Alpacas will get ticks as well, and in rare cases will have a disorder
called tick paralysis, so be aware and add this to your list of suspicions
should you have an alpaca with neurologic symptoms.

UGH,
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Dear Laurel,

The majority of beetles with exception of dung beetles, are primarily plant eating. As opposed to carnivorous insects, such as wasps, spiders, lady beetles and praying mantis. While in a larval state, all subsurface grubs must gain considerable fat in order to have the energy to morph into adults. They do this by consuming high volumes of roots from plant (pasture grass).  Unfortunately, the Japanese beetles have reproduced (not native to the US, which out-consumes native beetles) and have reached numbers so high that it makes a locust frenzy look like a picnic. They have devoured our corn crops, our flowers, and our tree blossoms literally overnight.   The grubs that belong to these beetles as well as June beetles, can be up to an inch and a half long, with a thick, rubbery skin, in order to protect them from the harsh winters. Because we had such a mild winter here in the East Coast, a much higher percentage of these grubs will mature to adults in the thousands. And thats just on our farm. It is absolutely imperative that these beetles are kept under control via traps during the summer months. These traps are designed to attract primarily male Japanese beetles by distributing sweet smelling pheromones.  We have been working very closely with the Dept of Ag as well as the Entomology Department at the Smithsonian in D.C.  We are very well aware of the benefits of hard working beneficial insects. Every year we often collect over 100 mantis egg cases and distribute them into 'problem' area as well as give them to friends. We are not advocates of sprays or pesticides, but a natural balance needs to be achieved. We are still amazed how nature, when in balance, will control pests natually. Within days of an aphid outbreak, Lady Bug larva appear and devour them. Tomato Horn Worms are quickly controled by parasitic wasps. But without a natural predator, left unchecked, the Japanese beetles will over populate the area and decimate crops and ornamentals and out-consume other native species .

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
Marydel, MD
410-482-7794
Www.dragonflyalpacas.com.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone


-----Original message-----
From: Bluebird Hills Farm <bluebirdhills@voyager.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 21:04:22 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

From her dexcription Dee I would actually assume that the vast majority of the grubs are dung beetles. Unfortunately if you try to kill one specie, you will kill all of them. The choice is their's of course. Mine are already burying the manure that accumulated in the pastures this winter. I would never do anything to intentionally harm such great employees that work for free! And I don't even have to pay workers comp!

Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Yep,
>
> Your right, some of them could indeed be dungs, but not all. Also keep in
> mind, the grubs are feeding off the roots of the pasture grass...
> Japanese beetles will demolish a garden quickly if not controlled.
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, Md
> 410 482 7794
> www.dragonflyalpacas.com
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@voyager.net>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:46:45
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
>
>
> Whoa Guys,
> Wait a minute!!!!
> What you likely have is a MAJOR
> asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There
> are
> several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our
> populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who
> have
> pasture animals.
>
> These guys take poop underground vastly
> improving issues with parasites and flies.
> We have two different
> species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm
> weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it.
> They eat pooo, not roots etc.
>
> Do a search on dung beetles and
> you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
> Laurel
> The
> Shouvlins
> Bluebird Hills Farm
> 3617 Derr Road
> Springfield, Ohio 45503
> 937-206-3936
> www.bluebirdhills.com
>
> bluebirdhills@voyager.net
>
>> While there are
> biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
>> it
> will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
>>
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
>
>> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite
> an
>> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow
> the grubs to
>> mature into beetle and that you set up the
> Japanese Beetle traps. The
>> attractant in the traps will attract
> all of the beetles, not just the
>> Japanese beetles. You will
> never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
>> the numbers. We
> have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
>> noticed
> a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>>
>> Roger and
> Dede Crout
>> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
>> Marydel, MD
>> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
>> 410-482-7794
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>>
> -----Original message-----
>>
>
From: Deborah Russell
> <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
>> To:
> "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
>> Subject:
> Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>> grubs
>>
>> The best and safest thing to do with
> the grubs is dig them out and either
>> feed them to some chickens
> or just smash them.  They will morph into
>> beetles
> and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing
> they
>> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I
> would not worry about them.
>>  I do have chickens and
> when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
>> give the
> chickens a treat.  
>> I would not use
> a pesticide at all.  
>>
>  
>> Debbie Hill Russell
>> Fredericksburg, TX
>
>> Russell Hill Ranch
>> russhill@beecreek.net
>>
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
> ________________________________
>>
>
From: jennymt1402002
> <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
>> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
>> Subject:
> [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>>
> grubs
>>
>> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we
> dug up some dirt that he
>> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then
> went to our poop pile that we had been
>> composting and was
> digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
>> with
> grubs.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea on what we could
> use to get rid of the grubs
>> without hurting our alpacas. We can
> keep them penned up while cleaned up
>> the corral and then put
> them in the corral when we took care of their
>> paddocks. Just
> need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
>>
> harm to alpacas.
>>
>> Hope someone has some idea.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Carla
>>
> Country Home Alpacas
>> Mcpherson Kanas
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 2:37 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

From her dexcription Dee I would actually assume that the vast majority of the grubs are dung beetles. Unfortunately if you try to kill one specie, you will kill all of them. The choice is their's of course. Mine are already burying the manure that accumulated in the pastures this winter. I would never do anything to intentionally harm such great employees that work for free! And I don't even have to pay workers comp!

Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Yep,
>
> Your right, some of them could indeed be dungs, but not all. Also keep in
> mind, the grubs are feeding off the roots of the pasture grass...
> Japanese beetles will demolish a garden quickly if not controlled.
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, Md
> 410 482 7794
> www.dragonflyalpacas.com
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@voyager.net>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:46:45
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
>
>
> Whoa Guys,
> Wait a minute!!!!
> What you likely have is a MAJOR
> asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There
> are
> several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our
> populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who
> have
> pasture animals.
>
> These guys take poop underground vastly
> improving issues with parasites and flies.
> We have two different
> species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm
> weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it.
> They eat pooo, not roots etc.
>
> Do a search on dung beetles and
> you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
> Laurel
> The
> Shouvlins
> Bluebird Hills Farm
> 3617 Derr Road
> Springfield, Ohio 45503
> 937-206-3936
> www.bluebirdhills.com
>
> bluebirdhills@voyager.net
>
>> While there are
> biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
>> it
> will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
>>
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
>
>> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite
> an
>> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow
> the grubs to
>> mature into beetle and that you set up the
> Japanese Beetle traps. The
>> attractant in the traps will attract
> all of the beetles, not just the
>> Japanese beetles. You will
> never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
>> the numbers. We
> have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
>> noticed
> a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>>
>> Roger and
> Dede Crout
>> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
>> Marydel, MD
>> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
>> 410-482-7794
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>>
> -----Original message-----
>>
>
From: Deborah Russell
> <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
>> To:
> "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
>
>> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
>> Subject:
> Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>> grubs
>>
>> The best and safest thing to do with
> the grubs is dig them out and either
>> feed them to some chickens
> or just smash them.  They will morph into
>> beetles
> and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing
> they
>> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I
> would not worry about them.
>>  I do have chickens and
> when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
>> give the
> chickens a treat.  
>> I would not use
> a pesticide at all.  
>>
>  
>> Debbie Hill Russell
>> Fredericksburg, TX
>
>> Russell Hill Ranch
>> russhill@beecreek.net
>>
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
> ________________________________
>>
>
From: jennymt1402002
> <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
>> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
>> Subject:
> [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
>>
> grubs
>>
>> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we
> dug up some dirt that he
>> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then
> went to our poop pile that we had been
>> composting and was
> digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
>> with
> grubs.
>>
>> Does anyone have any idea on what we could
> use to get rid of the grubs
>> without hurting our alpacas. We can
> keep them penned up while cleaned up
>> the corral and then put
> them in the corral when we took care of their
>> paddocks. Just
> need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
>>
> harm to alpacas.
>>
>> Hope someone has some idea.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Carla
>>
> Country Home Alpacas
>> Mcpherson Kanas
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 2:04 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Hi Heather,
There are several native species that are an inch or longer.
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> I considered that, too, Laurel, but the dung beetles I've seen are
> quite small. This is why I recommended having them identified before
> setting out to destroy them. Even if they aren't dung beetles, they
> may be beneficial or at least benign, in which case there's no reason
> to destroy them.
>
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Oregon
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
>
> http://whitelotus.openherd.com
>
> https://www.facebook.com/White.Lotus.Alpacas
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
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> AlpacaTalk on Facebook!
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>
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Bluebird Hills Farm wrote:
>
>> Whoa Guys,
>> Wait a minute!!!!
>> What you likely have is a MAJOR asset to your pasture. These grubs
>> are very likely Dung Beetles. There are several species and I have
>> been trying to figure out how to increase our populations and
>> perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who have pasture
>> animals.
>>
>> These guys take poop underground vastly improving issues with
>> parasites and flies.
>> We have two different species a very large one and a smaller one. I
>> have already, with the warm weather, seen both species actively
>> breaking up manure and burying it. They eat pooo, not roots etc.
>>
>> Do a search on dung beetles and you will quickly consider them your
>> allies!!!
>> Laurel
>> The Shouvlins
>> Bluebird Hills Farm
>> 3617 Derr Road
>> Springfield, Ohio 45503
>> 937-206-3936
>> www.bluebirdhills.com
>> bluebirdhills@voyager.net
>>
>> > While there are biological controls that can be applied to the
>> pastures,
>> > it will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
>> > bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in
>> mosquito
>> > dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite an
>> > undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow the
>> grubs to
>> > mature into beetle and that you set up the Japanese Beetle traps.
>> The
>> > attractant in the traps will attract all of the beetles, not just
>> the
>> > Japanese beetles. You will never eliminate all of them, but you
>> can reduce
>> > the numbers. We have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and
>> we have
>> > noticed a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>> >
>> > Roger and Dede Crout
>> > Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
>> > Marydel, MD
>> > Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
>> > 410-482-7794
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>> >
>> > -----Original message-----
>> >
>>
From: Deborah Russell <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
>> > To: "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
>> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers
>> regarding
>> > grubs
>> >
>> > The best and safest thing to do with the grubs is dig them out
>> and either
>> > feed them to some chickens or just smash them. Â They will morph
>> into
>> > beetles and that will be in the near future. Â So if you do
>> nothing they
>> > will just morph into beetles. Â Personally I would not worry
>> about them.
>> > Â I do have chickens and when I find some of the large June bug
>> grubs I
>> > give the chickens a treat. Â
>> > I would not use a pesticide at all. Â
>> > Â
>> > Debbie Hill Russell
>> > Fredericksburg, TX
>> > Russell Hill Ranch
>> > russhill@beecreek.net
>> > http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>>
From: jennymt1402002 <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
>> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
>> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers
>> regarding
>> > grubs
>> >
>> > We were out in the pasture and noticed when we dug up some dirt
>> that he
>> > had huge grubs in the dirt. We then went to our poop pile that we
>> had been
>> > composting and was digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is
>> infested
>> > with grubs.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any idea on what we could use to get rid of the
>> grubs
>> > without hurting our alpacas. We can keep them penned up while
>> cleaned up
>> > the corral and then put them in the corral when we took care of
>> their
>> > paddocks. Just need some idea on what we could use to get rid
>> them without
>> > harm to alpacas.
>> >
>> > Hope someone has some idea.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance
>> >
>> > Carla
>> > Country Home Alpacas
>> > Mcpherson Kanas
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------
>> >
>>
>>
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Yep,

Your right, some of them could indeed be dungs, but not all. Also keep in mind, the grubs are feeding off the roots of the pasture grass... Japanese beetles will demolish a garden quickly if not controlled.

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, Md
410 482 7794
www.dragonflyalpacas.com

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@voyager.net>
Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:46:45 -0400 (EDT)
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Whoa Guys,
Wait a minute!!!!
What you likely have is a MAJOR asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There are several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who have pasture animals.

These guys take poop underground vastly improving issues with parasites and flies.
We have two different species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it. They eat pooo, not roots etc.

Do a search on dung beetles and you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> While there are biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
> it will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite an
> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow the grubs to
> mature into beetle and that you set up the Japanese Beetle traps. The
> attractant in the traps will attract all of the beetles, not just the
> Japanese beetles. You will never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
> the numbers. We have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
> noticed a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>
> Roger and Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
> Marydel, MD
> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
> 410-482-7794
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
>
From: Deborah Russell <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
> To: "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> The best and safest thing to do with the grubs is dig them out and either
> feed them to some chickens or just smash them.  They will morph into
> beetles and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing they
> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I would not worry about them.
>  I do have chickens and when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
> give the chickens a treat.  
> I would not use a pesticide at all.  
>  
> Debbie Hill Russell
> Fredericksburg, TX
> Russell Hill Ranch
> russhill@beecreek.net
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ________________________________
>
From: jennymt1402002 <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we dug up some dirt that he
> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then went to our poop pile that we had been
> composting and was digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
> with grubs.
>
> Does anyone have any idea on what we could use to get rid of the grubs
> without hurting our alpacas. We can keep them penned up while cleaned up
> the corral and then put them in the corral when we took care of their
> paddocks. Just need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
> harm to alpacas.
>
> Hope someone has some idea.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carla
> Country Home Alpacas
> Mcpherson Kanas
>
>
>
> ----------------------
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Speaking of bugs

 

Just a heads up to everyone in the eastern US (and perhaps further west)
All of this warm weather has brought the tick popluations our much earlier, and they really never went dormant this winter. The ticks appear to be smaller this year than usual, but they are still dog ticks.

Picked our first mated pair off one of our dogs about three weeks ago. If you find one of those fat grey females, there is a much smaller male right beside her 99% of the time.
Picked my first one off me last week, and the dogs have them daily as we go on daily walks in our woods gathering a new crop.

Alpacas will get ticks as well, and in rare cases will have a disorder called tick paralysis, so be aware and add this to your list of suspicions should you have an alpaca with neurologic symptoms.

UGH,
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

I considered that, too, Laurel, but the dung beetles I've seen are quite small. This is why I recommended having them identified before setting out to destroy them. Even if they aren't dung beetles, they may be beneficial or at least benign, in which case there's no reason to destroy them.




On Mar 25, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Bluebird Hills Farm wrote:

 

Whoa Guys,
Wait a minute!!!!
What you likely have is a MAJOR asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There are several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who have pasture animals.

These guys take poop underground vastly improving issues with parasites and flies.
We have two different species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it. They eat pooo, not roots etc.

Do a search on dung beetles and you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> While there are biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
> it will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite an
> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow the grubs to
> mature into beetle and that you set up the Japanese Beetle traps. The
> attractant in the traps will attract all of the beetles, not just the
> Japanese beetles. You will never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
> the numbers. We have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
> noticed a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>
> Roger and Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
> Marydel, MD
> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
> 410-482-7794
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
>
From: Deborah Russell <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
> To: "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> The best and safest thing to do with the grubs is dig them out and either
> feed them to some chickens or just smash them.  They will morph into
> beetles and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing they
> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I would not worry about them.
>  I do have chickens and when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
> give the chickens a treat.  
> I would not use a pesticide at all.  
>  
> Debbie Hill Russell
> Fredericksburg, TX
> Russell Hill Ranch
> russhill@beecreek.net
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ________________________________
>
From: jennymt1402002 <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we dug up some dirt that he
> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then went to our poop pile that we had been
> composting and was digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
> with grubs.
>
> Does anyone have any idea on what we could use to get rid of the grubs
> without hurting our alpacas. We can keep them penned up while cleaned up
> the corral and then put them in the corral when we took care of their
> paddocks. Just need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
> harm to alpacas.
>
> Hope someone has some idea.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carla
> Country Home Alpacas
> Mcpherson Kanas
>
>
>
> ----------------------
>


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding grubs

 

Whoa Guys,
Wait a minute!!!!
What you likely have is a MAJOR asset to your pasture. These grubs are very likely Dung Beetles. There are several species and I have been trying to figure out how to increase our populations and perhaps even raising them for sale to other folks who have pasture animals.

These guys take poop underground vastly improving issues with parasites and flies.
We have two different species a very large one and a smaller one. I have already, with the warm weather, seen both species actively breaking up manure and burying it. They eat pooo, not roots etc.

Do a search on dung beetles and you will quickly consider them your allies!!!
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> While there are biological controls that can be applied to the pastures,
> it will be quite costly if you have a fair amount of land. (BT or
> bacillus thurogenensis) (sp?) This is the same bacteria found in mosquito
> dunks. I think finding them and digging them out will be quite an
> undertaking as well. I would suggest that you simply allow the grubs to
> mature into beetle and that you set up the Japanese Beetle traps. The
> attractant in the traps will attract all of the beetles, not just the
> Japanese beetles. You will never eliminate all of them, but you can reduce
> the numbers. We have used beetle traps for the last 3 years and we have
> noticed a marked decrease in beetles and grubs.
>
> Roger and Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas, LLC
> Marydel, MD
> Www,dragonflyalpacas.com
> 410-482-7794
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
>
From: Deborah Russell <russhill2002@yahoo.com>
> To: "AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com" <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 20:08:16 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> The best and safest thing to do with the grubs is dig them out and either
> feed them to some chickens or just smash them.  They will morph into
> beetles and that will be in the near future.  So if you do nothing they
> will just morph into beetles.  Personally I would not worry about them.
>  I do have chickens and when I find some of the large June bug grubs I
> give the chickens a treat.  
> I would not use a pesticide at all.  
>  
> Debbie Hill Russell
> Fredericksburg, TX
> Russell Hill Ranch
> russhill@beecreek.net
> http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ________________________________
>
From: jennymt1402002 <jennymt1402002@yahoo.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:55 PM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Hope someone can give me some answers regarding
> grubs
>
> We were out in the pasture and noticed when we dug up some dirt that he
> had huge grubs in the dirt. We then went to our poop pile that we had been
> composting and was digging in it and rotating the dirt and it is infested
> with grubs.
>
> Does anyone have any idea on what we could use to get rid of the grubs
> without hurting our alpacas. We can keep them penned up while cleaned up
> the corral and then put them in the corral when we took care of their
> paddocks. Just need some idea on what we could use to get rid them without
> harm to alpacas.
>
> Hope someone has some idea.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Carla
> Country Home Alpacas
> Mcpherson Kanas
>
>
>
> ----------------------
>

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