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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows



Looks like there was a Hiccup! in sending my email below....sorry for the
repeat sentences...

Shari

>
>
>

> Heather,
>
> May I suggest contacting Connie
Alexander or the Show Rules
> Committee. Her email is
>
> aobashows@hughes.net . 
>
>
Hopefully she can help you.
>
> The SRC are the
folks that can
> explain your fleece situation. Hopefully
they will be able to
> explain what happened or speak with the
people that judged, so this
> doesn't happen to someone else. I
know it doesn't change that your fleeces
> didn't get judged, but
it may helpomeone else in the future at another
> show.
> your fleece situation. Hopefully they will be able to explain what

> happened or speak with the people that judged, so this doesn't
happen to
> someone else. I know it doesn't change that your
fleeces didn't get
> judged, but it may helpomeone else in the
future at another show.
>
> Many people that help out at
fleece shows are learning as they go.
> Volunteers can make
unfortunate mistakes.
>
> It sounds like
>
someone that was perhaps inexperienced, miscalculated and read the days of

> growth as over the max days from shearing date. That would be
my guess.
> I'm so sorry that happened to you, but I would also
encourage you to
> contact Connie.
>
> Shari

>
>
>> Ryan,
>>
> The
fleece tag clearly states
>> Date of this shearing: 6/12/07

>
>> Date of last shearing: 5/20/06
>>
Growth time in days:
> 388
>>
>> So this
is where the confusion was, we had to
> shear 3 weeks later than

>> last year. But all 3 of my fleeces had
> the same
shear dates for this
>> year and last, 2 were
>
disqualified for it.
>>
>> Of course I'm demanding
my
> entry fees back, but I really wanted those
>>
fleeces judged! They
> just better not have opened them up and
laid them
>> out on the
> table only to have them say
"Oooh, this one is DQ," then
>> twist them up beyond
recognition they way they do...
>>
>>
>> Heather
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:28

> AM, fortryan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
Marsha,
>>>
> They only know what you tell them
and basically you can only show
>>> the most recent fleece.
Fleece shows are more honor based than
>
>>>
halter shows because there's no way to know that the fleece
>
entered
>>> is 1) from the alpaca you say it is and 2) that
it
> was the most
>>> recent clip.
>>>
>>>
> Heather,
>>> I
hope someone just mistyped/misread and thought
> the 2 of yours
were
>>> 2006 vintage, and that they'll be
>
giving you a refund for their
>>> error.
>>>

>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> --- In
> AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ok,
I'm new to
> the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their
>>> fleece as
> of yet; but, how can anyone tell when
or how long ago a
>>>
> fleece had been
shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece
>>> change
after time?
>>> > Marsha
>>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
> Shari Pritchard

> Autumn Sky Alpacas
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>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows



Heather,

May I suggest contacting Connie Alexander or the Show Rules
Committee. Her email is

aobashows@hughes.net . 

Hopefully she can help you.

The SRC are the folks that can
explain your fleece situation. Hopefully they will be able to
explain what happened or speak with the people that judged, so this
doesn't happen to someone else. I know it doesn't change that your fleeces
didn't get judged, but it may helpomeone else in the future at another
show.
your fleece situation. Hopefully they will be able to explain what
happened or speak with the people that judged, so this doesn't happen to
someone else. I know it doesn't change that your fleeces didn't get
judged, but it may helpomeone else in the future at another show.

Many people that help out at fleece shows are learning as they go.
Volunteers can make unfortunate mistakes.

It sounds like
someone that was perhaps inexperienced, miscalculated and read the days of
growth as over the max days from shearing date. That would be my guess.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, but I would also encourage you to
contact Connie.

Shari

> Ryan,
>
The fleece tag clearly states
> Date of this shearing: 6/12/07

> Date of last shearing: 5/20/06
> Growth time in days:
388
>
> So this is where the confusion was, we had to
shear 3 weeks later than
> last year. But all 3 of my fleeces had
the same shear dates for this
> year and last, 2 were
disqualified for it.
>
> Of course I'm demanding my
entry fees back, but I really wanted those
> fleeces judged! They
just better not have opened them up and laid them
> out on the
table only to have them say "Oooh, this one is DQ," then
> twist them up beyond recognition they way they do...
>
>
> Heather
>
> On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:28
AM, fortryan wrote:
>
>> Hi Marsha,
>>
They only know what you tell them and basically you can only show
>> the most recent fleece. Fleece shows are more honor based than

>> halter shows because there's no way to know that the fleece
entered
>> is 1) from the alpaca you say it is and 2) that it
was the most
>> recent clip.
>>
>>
Heather,
>> I hope someone just mistyped/misread and thought
the 2 of yours were
>> 2006 vintage, and that they'll be
giving you a refund for their
>> error.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> --- In
AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, I'm new to
the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their
>> fleece as
of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a
>>
fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece
>> change after time?
>> > Marsha
>>

>>
>>
>
> [Non-text portions of
this message have been removed]
>
>

Shari Pritchard
Autumn Sky Alpacas
21525 Berchtold Road
Chillicothe, IL 61523
309-360-5311
email to: autumn@mtco.com

http://www.autumnsky-alpacas.com or
http://www.alpacanation.com/autumnsky.asp
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Gain In Central Illinois!"
 
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[AlpacaTalk] beet pulp

thanks for all the input on beet pulp as a possible feed supplement for alpacas

i have two girls that i feel are thin (both with very young crias) and that was one of my reasons for putting the question out there - it is good to hear the "voice of experience" when it comes to what does and doesn't work.

Altho sometimes the info is confusingly conflictive, i prefer not to take any 'iffy' chances with their health and comfort. For this reason, i appreciate it when an experienced alpaca farmer suggests a proven alternative.

I also understand about starting off with very small amounts to any change to their diet.

thanks to all who contributed to this topic
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows

That's what I figured but thought didn't hurt to ask ;-)
I show dogs and it is the same way. Get pretty ribbons for winning and get to walk around proud having the winner :-) Not to mention how it could possibly increase the value of your animals
Marsha

fortryan <maasrj@netzero.net> wrote:
Not typically. The Futurity has cash awards and some shows offer cash
awards for gelding classes, but typically no. Your reward is your
ribbon! :)

Ryan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...> wrote:
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> Thanks to all for info on fleeces being entered at shows. Is there
money awards at shows for animals and/or fleece?
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows

Not typically. The Futurity has cash awards and some shows offer cash
awards for gelding classes, but typically no. Your reward is your
ribbon! :)

Ryan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all for info on fleeces being entered at shows. Is there
money awards at shows for animals and/or fleece?
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] fleece shows

Thanks to all for info on fleeces being entered at shows. Is there money awards at shows for animals and/or fleece?

aemoss17@comcast.net wrote: Hi Marsha,

Good Question! You are supposed to use a fleece which has been off your animal no longer than one year....if you shear in April, then use a fleece from last April, 2007. the age of the animal is calculated as of the date of that shearing as well. So if my boy was 10 months in April, 2007...that is his "date of shearing" age. He might now be about 16 months old in "real time" but that was his age at date of shearing.

Touch of fleece usually stays about the same unless you were unlucky enough to bag it up with any moisture in it...then it smells musty. Also, it is possible for moths to get in after a time, so boxing up with a few bars of "Irish Spring" in the bottom...or several dryer squares helps to maintain the fleece quality.

Good luck ----showing your fleeces is a very economical and satisfactory way for a new farm to "get out there" in the beginning. I think it is always a good thing to show as many of your good fleeces as you can.

Allison Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marsha Chaffins

Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece change after time?
Marsha

Heather Zeleny wrote:
But interestingly, fleece #3 was not dq'ed, and it had the same shear
date, and same previous shear date. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> Oh my oh my. Here is one seriously pissed off individual. I entered 3
> fleeces in a show which occurred this past weekend, and two of them
> were disqualified for a reason of "AOBA Show Rules: Fleece Shows Pg
> 8-11; Section I" Which is: Fleeces shall not be shown beyond 380 days
> of shearing date. My boys were shorn on 6/12/07. Does anyone think
> that more than 380 days have elapsed since that shearing date?
>
> I admit, I am more than a little bit livid.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows

Ryan,
The fleece tag clearly states
Date of this shearing: 6/12/07
Date of last shearing: 5/20/06
Growth time in days: 388

So this is where the confusion was, we had to shear 3 weeks later than
last year. But all 3 of my fleeces had the same shear dates for this
year and last, 2 were disqualified for it.

Of course I'm demanding my entry fees back, but I really wanted those
fleeces judged! They just better not have opened them up and laid them
out on the table only to have them say "Oooh, this one is DQ," then
twist them up beyond recognition they way they do...

Heather

On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:28 AM, fortryan wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> They only know what you tell them and basically you can only show
> the most recent fleece. Fleece shows are more honor based than
> halter shows because there's no way to know that the fleece entered
> is 1) from the alpaca you say it is and 2) that it was the most
> recent clip.
>
> Heather,
> I hope someone just mistyped/misread and thought the 2 of yours were
> 2006 vintage, and that they'll be giving you a refund for their
> error.
>
> Ryan
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their
> fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a
> fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece
> change after time?
> > Marsha
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] fleece shows

Hi Marsha,

Good Question! You are supposed to use a fleece which has been off your animal no longer than one year....if you shear in April, then use a fleece from last April, 2007. the age of the animal is calculated as of the date of that shearing as well. So if my boy was 10 months in April, 2007...that is his "date of shearing" age. He might now be about 16 months old in "real time" but that was his age at date of shearing.

Touch of fleece usually stays about the same unless you were unlucky enough to bag it up with any moisture in it...then it smells musty. Also, it is possible for moths to get in after a time, so boxing up with a few bars of "Irish Spring" in the bottom...or several dryer squares helps to maintain the fleece quality.

Good luck ----showing your fleeces is a very economical and satisfactory way for a new farm to "get out there" in the beginning. I think it is always a good thing to show as many of your good fleeces as you can.

Allison Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marsha Chaffins <polarb@sbcglobal.net>
Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece change after time?
Marsha

Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:
But interestingly, fleece #3 was not dq'ed, and it had the same shear
date, and same previous shear date. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> Oh my oh my. Here is one seriously pissed off individual. I entered 3
> fleeces in a show which occurred this past weekend, and two of them
> were disqualified for a reason of "AOBA Show Rules: Fleece Shows Pg
> 8-11; Section I" Which is: Fleeces shall not be shown beyond 380 days
> of shearing date. My boys were shorn on 6/12/07. Does anyone think
> that more than 380 days have elapsed since that shearing date?
>
> I admit, I am more than a little bit livid.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: fleece shows

Hi Marsha,
They only know what you tell them and basically you can only show
the most recent fleece. Fleece shows are more honor based than
halter shows because there's no way to know that the fleece entered
is 1) from the alpaca you say it is and 2) that it was the most
recent clip.

Heather,
I hope someone just mistyped/misread and thought the 2 of yours were
2006 vintage, and that they'll be giving you a refund for their
error.

Ryan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Marsha Chaffins <polarb@...>
wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their
fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a
fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece
change after time?
> Marsha

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] fleece shows


Hi Marsha,

I still have some fleeces for a couple years ago and I can't tell the difference.  I have been told they dry out and get brittle after a length of time, so really need to get working with them (I have saved them to learn to spin on)

Heather - is there any chance you mislabeled the fleeces with the date 2006?  I would want the show to prove to me that I had marked the label wrong, or else someone made a big mistake.

Heidi

Heidi Christensen
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(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

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From: Marsha Chaffins <polarb@sbcglobal.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:41 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] fleece shows

Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece change after time?
Marsha

Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:
But interestingly, fleece #3 was not dq'ed, and it had the same shear
date, and same previous shear date. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> Oh my oh my. Here is one seriously pissed off individual. I entered 3
> fleeces in a show which occurred this past weekend, and two of them
> were disqualified for a reason of "AOBA Show Rules: Fleece Shows Pg
> 8-11; Section I" Which is: Fleeces shall not be shown beyond 380 days
> of shearing date. My boys were shorn on 6/12/07. Does anyone think
> that more than 380 days have elapsed since that shearing date?
>
> I admit, I am more than a little bit livid.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
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posted by Chaddo at 7:14 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] fleece shows

Ok, I'm new to the Alpaca world and haven't shown them or their fleece as of yet; but, how can anyone tell when or how long ago a fleece had been shorn?????? Does the look and/or touch of fleece change after time?
Marsha

Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:
But interestingly, fleece #3 was not dq'ed, and it had the same shear
date, and same previous shear date. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> Oh my oh my. Here is one seriously pissed off individual. I entered 3
> fleeces in a show which occurred this past weekend, and two of them
> were disqualified for a reason of "AOBA Show Rules: Fleece Shows Pg
> 8-11; Section I" Which is: Fleeces shall not be shown beyond 380 days
> of shearing date. My boys were shorn on 6/12/07. Does anyone think
> that more than 380 days have elapsed since that shearing date?
>
> I admit, I am more than a little bit livid.
>
> Heather
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> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
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