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Re: [AlpacaTalk] for Libby

When you're done suing, will you have enough money to buy my low cost manure
spreaders???!! Bet they'd work wonders on that lunar property.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Dick McCoy <dick@alpacafarms.com> wrote:

> Libby,
>
> You are wrong about owing property on the moon. If you insist on claiming
> moon ownership I will be forced to sue you. I personally purchased the moon
> including all mineral rights from a guy in 42nd. Street last week. I will
> email you a copy of the deed if you wish.
>
> I am not at all annoyed, envious or bitter about the other properties and
> business you own, In fact, I pity those obsessed with useless envy. I only
> object to your claim on my moon.
>
> Please do not take my threat to sue lightly. Remember the quote from
> Hubbard.
>
> "The purpose of a law suit is to harass and discourage rather than win.
>
> The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on
>
> somebody will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease.
>
> If possible, of course, ruin him utterly. "
>
> You have been warned.
>
> Best personal regards.
>
> Dick McCoy
> Foxrun Farms Alpacas
> Cato, NY 13033
> MyMoon@alpacafarms.com <MyMoon%40alpacafarms.com>
> (315) 626-2672
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: libby@alpacafarm.com <libby%40alpacafarm.com>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] for Libby
>
> Hello all,
>
> You left out my property on the moon.
>
> If any of you have real questions that you would like an answer to, I'll
> be
> glad to answer. My phone number is 330-722-4820 or you can email me at
> libby@alpacafarm.com <libby%40alpacafarm.com>.
>
> Best wishes, Stephanie.
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
>
> Stardust Alpacas
> <stardustalpacas@
> yahoo.com> To
> Sent by: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com <alpacatalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> AlpacaTalk@yahoog cc
> roups.com
> Subject
> [AlpacaTalk] for Libby
> 02/20/2008 01:39
> PM
>
> Please respond to
> AlpacaTalk@yahoog
> roups.com
>
> Libby,
>
> Why do you continue to ask Heather if she is funding
> the lawsuit? Surely you know the answer to that. It
> seems that you are just stirring up your own cauldron
> and have literally nothing to work with, so you are
> trying to invent something.
>
> Besides, you have been asked quite a few questions
> that you are avoiding at all costs. Try to answer some
> of them for us, please.
>
> You cannot have a public forum and belch out your own
> snide comments and accusations and then ask for people
> to call or email privately to discuss it further. If
> you have something to say, say it. The "Oh, you aren't
> a member so I don't have to talk to you" reminds me of
> a child saying "You're not my mom! I don't have to do
> what you say!" It is not effective or mature. It looks
> like you are just trying to avoid the subject. You
> certainly could always call us right? If you are
> really wanting to get to the bottom of it, I would
> think you would be willing to pick up a phone.
>
> Something else has been annoying me for quite a while
> now and now is as good a time as any to say it. I do
> not think anyone believes your "small farmer" act. You
> do not represent the average small business, even if
> you have under 100 employees. You have around 1600
> alpacas, a box factory in the South (Georgia,
> believe), a plastic bag factory in Honduras, a large
> chain of auto lube places in Ohio, self storage
> facilities, real estate investments...I am sure there
> are more. You are hardly "one of us". I take great
> offense when you try to portray yourself just as one
> of the crowd. I recall you saying about a month ago
> that you don't have any extra money to donate to PBS
> or anywhere besides your alpaca marketing...really?
> You are not fooling anyone. Please stop trying to kid
> yourself.
>
> Stephanie
> Stardust Alpacas
>
> Ana,
>
> My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in
> all forums.
>
> You dropped your lawsuit against current and past
> Board members (including
> my husband) where you were going for a BIG cash award
> because you had no
> proof...none. ..nothing. ..zippo. The Judge's opinion
> said it all on the
> other lawsuit. If you don't like paying legal
> expenses, it's simple. Stop
> suing people.
>
> I'm not going to comment any further on your posts. If
> someone wants
> answers to your posts, and are curious about my
> answers, they are more than
> welcome to ask me privately and I will be HAPPY to
> answer them. You are
> no longer a member of AOBA, you are no longer my
> friend and I see no point
> in answering your pointless, argumentative, unending,
> "obsessive" (Judge's
> description) questions.
>
> My home phone number is 330-722-4820. Or, e-mail me at
> libby@alpacafarm. com
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
>
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>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] for Libby

Libby,

You are wrong about owing property on the moon. If you insist on claiming moon ownership I will be forced to sue you. I personally purchased the moon including all mineral rights from a guy in 42nd. Street last week. I will email you a copy of the deed if you wish.

I am not at all annoyed, envious or bitter about the other properties and business you own, In fact, I pity those obsessed with useless envy. I only object to your claim on my moon.

Please do not take my threat to sue lightly. Remember the quote from Hubbard.

"The purpose of a law suit is to harass and discourage rather than win.

The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on

somebody will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease.

If possible, of course, ruin him utterly. "

You have been warned.

Best personal regards.

Dick McCoy
Foxrun Farms Alpacas
Cato, NY 13033
MyMoon@alpacafarms.com
(315) 626-2672

----- Original Message -----
From: libby@alpacafarm.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] for Libby

Hello all,

You left out my property on the moon.

If any of you have real questions that you would like an answer to, I'll be
glad to answer. My phone number is 330-722-4820 or you can email me at
libby@alpacafarm.com.

Best wishes, Stephanie.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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[AlpacaTalk] for Libby
02/20/2008 01:39
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Libby,

Why do you continue to ask Heather if she is funding
the lawsuit? Surely you know the answer to that. It
seems that you are just stirring up your own cauldron
and have literally nothing to work with, so you are
trying to invent something.

Besides, you have been asked quite a few questions
that you are avoiding at all costs. Try to answer some
of them for us, please.

You cannot have a public forum and belch out your own
snide comments and accusations and then ask for people
to call or email privately to discuss it further. If
you have something to say, say it. The "Oh, you aren't
a member so I don't have to talk to you" reminds me of
a child saying "You're not my mom! I don't have to do
what you say!" It is not effective or mature. It looks
like you are just trying to avoid the subject. You
certainly could always call us right? If you are
really wanting to get to the bottom of it, I would
think you would be willing to pick up a phone.

Something else has been annoying me for quite a while
now and now is as good a time as any to say it. I do
not think anyone believes your "small farmer" act. You
do not represent the average small business, even if
you have under 100 employees. You have around 1600
alpacas, a box factory in the South (Georgia,
believe), a plastic bag factory in Honduras, a large
chain of auto lube places in Ohio, self storage
facilities, real estate investments...I am sure there
are more. You are hardly "one of us". I take great
offense when you try to portray yourself just as one
of the crowd. I recall you saying about a month ago
that you don't have any extra money to donate to PBS
or anywhere besides your alpaca marketing...really?
You are not fooling anyone. Please stop trying to kid
yourself.

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas

Ana,

My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in
all forums.

You dropped your lawsuit against current and past
Board members (including
my husband) where you were going for a BIG cash award
because you had no
proof...none. ..nothing. ..zippo. The Judge's opinion
said it all on the
other lawsuit. If you don't like paying legal
expenses, it's simple. Stop
suing people.

I'm not going to comment any further on your posts. If
someone wants
answers to your posts, and are curious about my
answers, they are more than
welcome to ask me privately and I will be HAPPY to
answer them. You are
no longer a member of AOBA, you are no longer my
friend and I see no point
in answering your pointless, argumentative, unending,
"obsessive" (Judge's
description) questions.

My home phone number is 330-722-4820. Or, e-mail me at
libby@alpacafarm. com

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA

What question, Libby? Which forae, where I am a member? I can hardly
answer questions posed on groups where I have no membership, surely you
know that.

Heather

On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:26 AM, libby@alpacafarm.com wrote:

>
>
> Ana,
>
> My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in all forums.

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] for Libby



Hello all,

You left out my property on the moon.

If any of you have real questions that you would like an answer to, I'll be
glad to answer. My phone number is 330-722-4820 or you can email me at
libby@alpacafarm.com.

Best wishes, Stephanie.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

Stardust Alpacas
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Libby,

Why do you continue to ask Heather if she is funding
the lawsuit? Surely you know the answer to that. It
seems that you are just stirring up your own cauldron
and have literally nothing to work with, so you are
trying to invent something.

Besides, you have been asked quite a few questions
that you are avoiding at all costs. Try to answer some
of them for us, please.

You cannot have a public forum and belch out your own
snide comments and accusations and then ask for people
to call or email privately to discuss it further. If
you have something to say, say it. The "Oh, you aren't
a member so I don't have to talk to you" reminds me of
a child saying "You're not my mom! I don't have to do
what you say!" It is not effective or mature. It looks
like you are just trying to avoid the subject. You
certainly could always call us right? If you are
really wanting to get to the bottom of it, I would
think you would be willing to pick up a phone.

Something else has been annoying me for quite a while
now and now is as good a time as any to say it. I do
not think anyone believes your "small farmer" act. You
do not represent the average small business, even if
you have under 100 employees. You have around 1600
alpacas, a box factory in the South (Georgia,
believe), a plastic bag factory in Honduras, a large
chain of auto lube places in Ohio, self storage
facilities, real estate investments...I am sure there
are more. You are hardly "one of us". I take great
offense when you try to portray yourself just as one
of the crowd. I recall you saying about a month ago
that you don't have any extra money to donate to PBS
or anywhere besides your alpaca marketing...really?
You are not fooling anyone. Please stop trying to kid
yourself.

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas

Ana,

My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in
all forums.

You dropped your lawsuit against current and past
Board members (including
my husband) where you were going for a BIG cash award
because you had no
proof...none. ..nothing. ..zippo. The Judge's opinion
said it all on the
other lawsuit. If you don't like paying legal
expenses, it's simple. Stop
suing people.

I'm not going to comment any further on your posts. If
someone wants
answers to your posts, and are curious about my
answers, they are more than
welcome to ask me privately and I will be HAPPY to
answer them. You are
no longer a member of AOBA, you are no longer my
friend and I see no point
in answering your pointless, argumentative, unending,
"obsessive" (Judge's
description) questions.

My home phone number is 330-722-4820. Or, e-mail me at
libby@alpacafarm. com

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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[AlpacaTalk] for Libby

Libby,

Why do you continue to ask Heather if she is funding
the lawsuit? Surely you know the answer to that. It
seems that you are just stirring up your own cauldron
and have literally nothing to work with, so you are
trying to invent something.

Besides, you have been asked quite a few questions
that you are avoiding at all costs. Try to answer some
of them for us, please.

You cannot have a public forum and belch out your own
snide comments and accusations and then ask for people
to call or email privately to discuss it further. If
you have something to say, say it. The "Oh, you aren't
a member so I don't have to talk to you" reminds me of
a child saying "You're not my mom! I don't have to do
what you say!" It is not effective or mature. It looks
like you are just trying to avoid the subject. You
certainly could always call us right? If you are
really wanting to get to the bottom of it, I would
think you would be willing to pick up a phone.

Something else has been annoying me for quite a while
now and now is as good a time as any to say it. I do
not think anyone believes your "small farmer" act. You
do not represent the average small business, even if
you have under 100 employees. You have around 1600
alpacas, a box factory in the South (Georgia,
believe), a plastic bag factory in Honduras, a large
chain of auto lube places in Ohio, self storage
facilities, real estate investments...I am sure there
are more. You are hardly "one of us". I take great
offense when you try to portray yourself just as one
of the crowd. I recall you saying about a month ago
that you don't have any extra money to donate to PBS
or anywhere besides your alpaca marketing...really?
You are not fooling anyone. Please stop trying to kid
yourself.

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas


Ana,

My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in
all forums.

You dropped your lawsuit against current and past
Board members (including
my husband) where you were going for a BIG cash award
because you had no
proof...none. ..nothing. ..zippo. The Judge's opinion
said it all on the
other lawsuit. If you don't like paying legal
expenses, it's simple. Stop
suing people.

I'm not going to comment any further on your posts. If
someone wants
answers to your posts, and are curious about my
answers, they are more than
welcome to ask me privately and I will be HAPPY to
answer them. You are
no longer a member of AOBA, you are no longer my
friend and I see no point
in answering your pointless, argumentative, unending,
"obsessive" (Judge's
description) questions.

My home phone number is 330-722-4820. Or, e-mail me at
libby@alpacafarm. com

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA

Libby,

Why would there be a need to bash Anthony? We're just talking about you.

I think the best way to handle this would be to let folks read the court
papers themselves. Those who want them can e-mail us privately and I'll
send them.

Floyd..

Floyd and Ana Romanik
Indian Summer Alpacas
Chepachet, Rhode Island
Phone: (401) 568-7759

_____

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of libby@alpacafarm.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Cc: alpacapolitics@yahoogroups.com; AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA

Ana,

I did not break the confidentiality agreement. Anthony was testifying as
an expert against 19 farms in the Land O Lakes lawsuit and he submitted the
confidentiality agreement himself.

You are not correct. If anyone wants to hear more about this, contact me
privately. I see no need to bash Anthony in this setting.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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AlpacaTalk@yahoog
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Libby,

Our 18-year old son was watching TV one night and a question came up on a
show that he shared with us. It involved explaining the difference between
ethical verses moral. The show gave the example of a married man who was
presented with the opportunity of having an affair. The character was asked
what the ethical man would do. The character replied, the ethical man knows
that having an affair is wrong but does it anyway. Then the character was
asked what the moral man would do. The reply was, the moral man doesn't do
it.

Libby you were also an Intervener. While you were an Intervener you were
also ARI president. Sometime in about December of 2003 you as ARI president
signed a Confidentiality agreement which settled the ARI lawsuit that was
filed against Mary Reed who was an ARI Director at the time. If we
understand correctly, the reason for the lawsuit was that Mary Reed
reportedly failed to divulge a business relationship while voting on an ARI
matter which created a Conflict of Interest.

What bothers us and others is that you broke that Confidentiality agreement
with ARI in order to use it for your own personal benefit. You used it in
your Land O lakes case. Your attorney argued that ARI's president (you)
signed the agreement with Reed and that somehow you Libby Forstner in your
private capacity were allowed to still use it? You used it to further the
interests of your farm of which you're majority owner. In essence ARI says
that while they did not give you permission to break that Confidentiality
agreement, they can't take any action against you since you're no longer a
sitting Board member. It's certainly ARI's right to decide to not take any
action at all against you.

We're not getting into all the allegations that fly around between you,
Reed, Stachowski and your farms. I'm trying to understand how you as former
ARI President had the right to divulge a confidentiality agreement to
anyone
including your husband, farm, and others you represented in the LOL case.
You certainly know that your actions were wrong.. You were after all an
Intervener.

Like you use to say as an Intervener, all it takes for self-dealing to
prevail on our industry boards is for good people to do nothing... even if
that action is to simply ask questions... It was sound advice then and is
to this day.

Sincerely,

Floyd and Ana Romanik
Indian Summer Alpacas
Chepachet, Rhode Island
Phone: (401) 568-7759

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA

Just because it happened then, doesn't mean it is happening now. Facts and
proof are good things to insist on before libeling good people. A couple
people who were intervenors are on the Board now and their positions about
Boards overstepping authority are well documented. Please don't paint
everyone with a single brush.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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02/16/2008 11:42 AOBA
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Connie,

You have a very different idea of what goes on with
politics than I do. Secret laws are slipped in at the
last second and there are many lobbyists working,
bribing and blackmailing to make things happen for
their industries. There are tons of agendas and lots
of nasty backstabbing people in Washington, along with
murders, kidnappings and tons of other things we never
hear about.

Presidents are put in power who didn't truly win and
many things including wars are voted on without the
normal citizen's best interest at heart.

There are these same people in corporate America. Some
go to jail. There are scandals like Enron. There are
companies like Microsoft working for world domination
in computers.

AOBA afterall, had those "Interveners" because the BOD
was deciding things that were not legal to decide
without a vote from the membership. Who says that
can't happen again and isn't now? What about the for
profit subsidiary? Me thinks that was a biggie that
should have been discussed before implementing.

Catch a clue.

--- Connie Headrick Crawford <connie111@yahoo.
<mailto:connie111%40yahoo.com> com>
wrote:

> REALLY! REALLY!
>
> You want every single thing put to a vote, when
> there are actually
> people slamming the greatest coup of all.. .THE ROSE
> PARADE!
>
> Just please, give me just one break from you
> unintelligable rantings!
>
> You simply have no idea how an organization works.
>
> Think of it this way:
>
> You elect your congress person to send them to
> Washington to
> represent you. Do they ask you how you want them to
> vote on every
> single issue? Not a Chance of that every happening.
> . .yet, they do
> the best they can for you!
>
> Does Bush call or write you to see how you feel on
> every bill he is
> about to sign to see how you feel about it?
>
> Does the Mayor of your town call you before he makes
> a decision?
>
> NO! Because those people, hopefully, have your best
> interest at
> heart, for you, and more importantly the area you
> live in.
>
> Can you call your mayor, your congressmen, your city
> council member,
> your State and Federal Representatives?
>
> YUP!
>
> SAME HERE!
>
> You have a vote and you have a right to call any
> board member and
> tell them how you feel about anything. And they
> will listen and
> certainly take into consideration what your concerns
> are. They will
> factor in your concerns, and those of all the
> others, and make the
> best decision that they can. It won't always be the
> decision you
> want, but your opinion and voice will be heard.
>
> I simply don't see anything wrong in that. That is
> the way democracy
> works, and it also works very well within the inner
> workings of AOBA!
>
> When you have a concern or a problem with any issue,
> CALL one of the
> Board Members. They will listen, they may even try
> to explain things
> you don't know. But if you don't call, you simply
> have nothing to
> ever complain about.
>
> Love,
> Connie
>
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA



Ana,

My question re: Heather still remains unanswered in all forums.

You dropped your lawsuit against current and past Board members (including
my husband) where you were going for a BIG cash award because you had no
proof...none...nothing...zippo. The Judge's opinion said it all on the
other lawsuit. If you don't like paying legal expenses, it's simple. Stop
suing people.

I'm not going to comment any further on your posts. If someone wants
answers to your posts, and are curious about my answers, they are more than
welcome to ask me privately and I will be HAPPY to answer them. You are
no longer a member of AOBA, you are no longer my friend and I see no point
in answering your pointless, argumentative, unending, "obsessive" (Judge's
description) questions.

My home phone number is 330-722-4820. Or, e-mail me at
libby@alpacafarm.com

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Libby,

Are you really saying that you don't know the answer to your question
already? You were at Ana's 2-day May deposition in Denver. These questions
were asked and answered. Even if the answer had changed since that time you
know we would have been required to notify AOBA by updating the discovery.
You and AOBA reviewed all of our Farm and personal tax returns for several
years and even our General Ledgers. AOBA even hired a Private Detective to
investigate this and other things involving us. This private investigator
was Mike Barnhart from Alpaca Trading Company who's a good friend of your
family, right? I mean really Libby; you were at Ana's deposition as an
"AOBA Corporate Representative" according to AOBA attorneys, so you've had
access to all of this information and more. Is it that you don't know the
answer to the question or is it something more?

Since you're AOBA's Corporate Representative we're sure the membership will
of course find the Board approved motions and so forth that gave you this
position. Isn't that required in order for you to receive the reimbursement
for your expenses to attend Ana's depositions including your first class
airfare of about $800. Are you still serving as AOBA's Corporate
Representative?

Sincerely,
Floyd and Ana Romanik
Indian Summer Alpacas
Chepachet, Rhode Island
Phone: (401) 568-7759

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Hello Heather,

You responded to my second comment. How about responding to the first
question below....did you fund Ana's lawsuit?

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Hello Heather,

Hm..... Since you want everything transparent....did you fund Ana's
lawsuit??

I was an intervenor. Please don't speak for me.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Dear Connie,
Your posts are, at best, incredibly immature, and at worst, extremely
insulting.

Do you know anything at all about the lawsuit? Do you know who all of the
original
intervenors were? You might be very surprised. But since the AOBA BOD has
seen fit to
remove the original lawsuit fron the "litigation" section of the member
site, I don't have it
at my disposal. Hopefully Ana or Floyd would be so kind as to post that
info.

The cost of the litigation has been published. Yes, it was expensive.

You don't seem to have any concept of what the litigation was about.
Honestly, I don't
know/remember the details, but it was a lot of behind closed doors hanky
panky. Again,
ther names of ALL of the original intervenors will surely surprise you.

You see, what the Romaniks (and other intervenors) wanted was that AOBA be
transparent
in their operations. What we all want now is that AOBA really work for us
and answer to the
membership.

Do you know that NOTHING is put to membership votes with the exception of
the BOD
itself? And who gets to run for the board is decided by the board. Who gets
to volunteer
to AOBA is decided by the board.

I didn't vote for or approve their taking away our complementary AM
subscription. I didn't
vote for or approve the new requirement that one must be a Farm member to
have the
opportunity to pay another $50 for Show division membership. In the past, I
was a Show
division member as an associate member. I didn't vote for or approve
anything! Because
nothing is put to membership approval. AOBA is not answerable to its
members. The BOD
and candidaets are hand picked by those in charge.

A board member has no limit to the number of terms he/she may serve. Read
your bylaws.

Did you know that there are changes to the bylaws when they moved to and
reincorporated in Tennessee, from when they were headquartered in Colorado?
Important
changes, like accountability to members. They are only accountable to
themselves now.

Some of us feel that this isn't right.

So please, dear Connie, please educate and inform yourself on the issues
before running
off at the mouth and insulting people who are actually trying to make
things right.

Your friend,

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [alpacapolitics] Re: Romanik v. AOBA



Ana,

I did not break the confidentiality agreement. Anthony was testifying as
an expert against 19 farms in the Land O Lakes lawsuit and he submitted the
confidentiality agreement himself.

You are not correct. If anyone wants to hear more about this, contact me
privately. I see no need to bash Anthony in this setting.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Libby,

Our 18-year old son was watching TV one night and a question came up on a
show that he shared with us. It involved explaining the difference between
ethical verses moral. The show gave the example of a married man who was
presented with the opportunity of having an affair. The character was asked
what the ethical man would do. The character replied, the ethical man knows
that having an affair is wrong but does it anyway. Then the character was
asked what the moral man would do. The reply was, the moral man doesn't do
it.

Libby you were also an Intervener. While you were an Intervener you were
also ARI president. Sometime in about December of 2003 you as ARI president
signed a Confidentiality agreement which settled the ARI lawsuit that was
filed against Mary Reed who was an ARI Director at the time. If we
understand correctly, the reason for the lawsuit was that Mary Reed
reportedly failed to divulge a business relationship while voting on an ARI
matter which created a Conflict of Interest.

What bothers us and others is that you broke that Confidentiality agreement
with ARI in order to use it for your own personal benefit. You used it in
your Land O lakes case. Your attorney argued that ARI's president (you)
signed the agreement with Reed and that somehow you Libby Forstner in your
private capacity were allowed to still use it? You used it to further the
interests of your farm of which you're majority owner. In essence ARI says
that while they did not give you permission to break that Confidentiality
agreement, they can't take any action against you since you're no longer a
sitting Board member. It's certainly ARI's right to decide to not take any
action at all against you.

We're not getting into all the allegations that fly around between you,
Reed, Stachowski and your farms. I'm trying to understand how you as former
ARI President had the right to divulge a confidentiality agreement to
anyone
including your husband, farm, and others you represented in the LOL case.
You certainly know that your actions were wrong.. You were after all an
Intervener.

Like you use to say as an Intervener, all it takes for self-dealing to
prevail on our industry boards is for good people to do nothing... even if
that action is to simply ask questions... It was sound advice then and is
to this day.

Sincerely,

Floyd and Ana Romanik
Indian Summer Alpacas
Chepachet, Rhode Island
Phone: (401) 568-7759

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Just because it happened then, doesn't mean it is happening now. Facts and
proof are good things to insist on before libeling good people. A couple
people who were intervenors are on the Board now and their positions about
Boards overstepping authority are well documented. Please don't paint
everyone with a single brush.

Libby

Libby Forstner
Magical Farms

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Connie,

You have a very different idea of what goes on with
politics than I do. Secret laws are slipped in at the
last second and there are many lobbyists working,
bribing and blackmailing to make things happen for
their industries. There are tons of agendas and lots
of nasty backstabbing people in Washington, along with
murders, kidnappings and tons of other things we never
hear about.

Presidents are put in power who didn't truly win and
many things including wars are voted on without the
normal citizen's best interest at heart.

There are these same people in corporate America. Some
go to jail. There are scandals like Enron. There are
companies like Microsoft working for world domination
in computers.

AOBA afterall, had those "Interveners" because the BOD
was deciding things that were not legal to decide
without a vote from the membership. Who says that
can't happen again and isn't now? What about the for
profit subsidiary? Me thinks that was a biggie that
should have been discussed before implementing.

Catch a clue.

--- Connie Headrick Crawford <connie111@yahoo.
<mailto:connie111%40yahoo.com> com>
wrote:

> REALLY! REALLY!
>
> You want every single thing put to a vote, when
> there are actually
> people slamming the greatest coup of all.. .THE ROSE
> PARADE!
>
> Just please, give me just one break from you
> unintelligable rantings!
>
> You simply have no idea how an organization works.
>
> Think of it this way:
>
> You elect your congress person to send them to
> Washington to
> represent you. Do they ask you how you want them to
> vote on every
> single issue? Not a Chance of that every happening.
> . .yet, they do
> the best they can for you!
>
> Does Bush call or write you to see how you feel on
> every bill he is
> about to sign to see how you feel about it?
>
> Does the Mayor of your town call you before he makes
> a decision?
>
> NO! Because those people, hopefully, have your best
> interest at
> heart, for you, and more importantly the area you
> live in.
>
> Can you call your mayor, your congressmen, your city
> council member,
> your State and Federal Representatives?
>
> YUP!
>
> SAME HERE!
>
> You have a vote and you have a right to call any
> board member and
> tell them how you feel about anything. And they
> will listen and
> certainly take into consideration what your concerns
> are. They will
> factor in your concerns, and those of all the
> others, and make the
> best decision that they can. It won't always be the
> decision you
> want, but your opinion and voice will be heard.
>
> I simply don't see anything wrong in that. That is
> the way democracy
> works, and it also works very well within the inner
> workings of AOBA!
>
> When you have a concern or a problem with any issue,
> CALL one of the
> Board Members. They will listen, they may even try
> to explain things
> you don't know. But if you don't call, you simply
> have nothing to
> ever complain about.
>
> Love,
> Connie
>
>
>

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