Jim,
Those were the days---I was an intern approximately 25 years ago. Now I
am an internist, or perhaps more appropriately, a specialist in adult
medicine, as opposed to a pediatrician. As an aside, I actually
considered switching to large animal veterinary medicine, but was unable
to convince the powers that be, that I would have liked to have gotten
credit for some of the courses I took, in addition to 25 years of
experience. I was informed that that would be "impossible" to do and
that I'd have to start at the beginning. I even offered to pay for the
basic academic courses I wouldn't be taking, if I could take and pass
the exams (not including the clinical courses or those pertaining to
different species, which I understood would be necessary). With the
shortage of large animal vets, it's too bad the veterinary schools
couldn't think outside the box.
Dave
J Guerin wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Very interesting article on Dr. Anderson. I had to look up what a
> polymath is :) Yes, he sounds like the go-to guy.
>
> I was going to mention what happened when I got home, but forgot. I
> opened the gate to the trailer, Brandie was kushed, I told her we were
> home and she could get out now. She turned her head to look back, then
> got up, and came down the ramp. Melody came running over to her,
> spitting!! Maybe three hours in alpaca time, is a long time!! Thought
> that was interesting. Melody kept it up for a bit, even seemed to
> shoulder Brandie. One of the geldings in another field came running up
> to the fence too.
>
> An internist, to become a doctor? ( I know, dumb question! ) That is
> one of the occupations, along side being a vet, that I dont think I
> could do. I would take it very personally to loose a person, and more
> than likely, more so to loose an animal.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Jim Guerin
> Jimmini Farm
> Yelm, WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Friedman
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Bone Tumor: Update
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I'm glad to hear that you are cautiously optimistic about your girl. If
> there is anyone I'd trust, it would be Dr. David Anderson. The man is
> what I'd term a true polymath. A number of years ago, I delivered an
> address to the National Conference, extolling the many virtues of Dr.
> Anderson. He was, amongst his many other talents, the first orthopedist
> to perform the surgery allowing a kangaroo (!) to be fitted with an
> artificial limb. I was able to see a video of "Stumpy", as the kangaroo
> was called. Amazing! David's mastery of veterinary medicine, when I
> researched it for my talk, was astounding. I am an internist, working
> in the E.R., so I can appreciate David's talents. Check out this
> article on him.
>
> http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2003/05/15/Campus/Kangaroo.Jumps.Again.On.today-435340.shtml
> <http://media.www.thelantern.com/media/storage/paper333/news/2003/05/15/Campus/Kangaroo.Jumps.Again.On.today-435340.shtml>
>
>
> Good luck with your Brandie.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> David and Esther Friedman
> Adirondack Alpacas
> "From the Womb to the Loom"
> Remsen, NY
> www.newyorkalpacas.com
> 315-831-3040
>
> J Guerin wrote:
> >
> > HI Dave,
> >
> > Just got back from the vets to have the digital pics taken. Amy, the
> > vet rechecked Brandie, really worked her over more so than last time.
> > Brandie didnt appear to even flinch!! She took the pics any way, and
> > showed me what she had seen in the flat xrays as they call them and
> > the same thing in the new xrays. What it looked like to me, not having
> > a clue what else to call the ' spots ', looked like oblong spots. The
> > digital tech rep was there too, so Brandie was a hands on show and
> > tell for them. I took her right into the office.
> >
> > Amy did get in contact with Dr. Anderson, and from what Amy told him,
> > this is what he said to her a few days ago: >Yes. I agree with doing a
> > medullary aspirate or biopsy (I prefer biopsy). Given the species, it
> > should not be bone tumor, but need to find otu what it is. However,
> > let's look at those rads. There is a "lucent" looking area in the
> > distal humerus that is an anatomical feature too.> Amy is going to
> > send a cd of the digitals to Dr. Anderson. I got a cy of them also.
> >
> > So that made me feel better, and with Brandie not showing any pain
> > today from the manipulating, helped me too!
> >
> > Amy tried to get in touch with Dr. Pugh, dont know if she succeeded
> > yet. He had moved on some four years ago, and is with a pharmaceutical
> > company, dont remember which. Turns out that Amy knows Dr. Pugh.
> >
> > At this point, unless Dr. Anderson finds something, Brandie is on the
> > mend!! ( very quietly doing a happy dance! )
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jim Guerin
> > Jimini Farm
> > Yelm, WA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Friedman
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Bone Tumor: Update
> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Have you found out anything further that you might be able to pass
> along
> > to the site?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --
> > David and Esther Friedman
> > Adirondack Alpacas
> > "From the Womb to the Loom"
> > Remsen, NY
> > www.newyorkalpacas.com
> > 315-831-3040
> >
> > J Guerin wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you Dave. I will tell my vet and have them send em after we
> have
> > > xrays taken.
> > >
> > > Jim Guerin
> > > Jimmini Farm
> > > Yelm, Wa
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Friedman
> > > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 7:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Bone Tumor: Update
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > I would contact Dr. David Anderson. He is at Kansas State University.
> > > Amongst his many talents, he is a world class camelid expert and a
> > > veterinary orthopedist.
> > > /David/ E /Anderson/, /DVM/, MS, DACVS Professor and Section Head,
> > > Agricultural Practices Phone: 785-532-5700. E-mail:
> > > danderso@vet.k-state.edu <mailto:danderso%40vet.k-state.edu>
> <mailto:danderso%40vet.k-state.edu>
> > <mailto:danderso%40vet.k-state.edu>
> > >
> > > Good luck with your Brandie.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > --
> > > David and Esther Friedman
> > > Adirondack Alpacas
> > > "From the Womb to the Loom"
> > > Remsen, NY
> > > www.newyorkalpacas.com
> > > 315-831-3040
> > >
> > > J Guerin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Janice,
> > > >
> > > > No, you are not the only one to loose these critters. It hurts no
> > > > matter who looses one. I am trying to keep a positive attitude
> around
> > > > Brandie. Its not easy. I feel so bad when one of the kids are hurt,
> > > > whether it is one of the alpacas, mini horses, donkeys, or my dog.
> > > >
> > > > I plan to take Brandie to the vet next week, then the wait, again,
> > for
> > > > word from who ever is chosen to read the x rays. It took a month to
> > > > find out what I did. I still have to wonder if it is indeed the
> > > > humorus bone.
> > > >
> > > > I am hoping it is not as bad as it seems, or at least is
> correctable.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas as to where would be a very good place to send the x
> > rays to
> > > > be read by some one that knows what they are looking at, and not
> have
> > > > to compare them to other species? Oregon State was the one that got
> > > > the, shall I call them the regular x rays.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Guerin
> > > > Jimmini Farm
> > > > Yelm, WA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: houckj@aol.com <mailto:houckj%40aol.com>
> <mailto:houckj%40aol.com>
> > <mailto:houckj%40aol.com>
> > > <mailto:houckj%40aol.com>
> > > > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:18 AM
> > > > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Bone Tumor: Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <<<<After loosing her Mom, Aran and a baby girl from my other old
> > girl
> > > > that died in my arms in 2007, this just about does it. It just
> keeps
> > > > reminding me of the screwing I got from ' North Americas Largest
> > Alpaca
> > > > Mill '. I wonder how many others who have bought there, like how
> they
> > > > were / are, treated after their money was handed over...
> > > >
> > > > Jim Guerin
> > > > Jimmini Farm
> > > > Yelm, WA >>>>
> > > >
> > > > Oh Jim I hear and feel your heartache. I have lost so many myself;
> > > > thought I was the only one. So very sorry to hear of your losses as
> > > > well. It stinks.
> > > > But truly take what Susan said to heart and try not to feel
> sorry for
> > > > Brandie in her presence. It is so important to keep a positive
> > attitude
> > > > around her. Pity (for her or yourself) never healed anyone. She
> has a
> > > > sweet heart. Love her love her love her, but let her be an
> > > > alpaca.....with her herd. When will you get more info? The not
> > knowing
> > > > is so hard. But in the not knowing is also the very real
> possibility
> > > > that this is not as bad as it seems.
> > > >
> > > > Warmly, Janice in NW GA
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