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[AlpacaTalk] BVD ..... was pneumonia in alpaca

Hi Janice,
I am so sorry to hear that you have had so much heartache. I have lost animals too over the years, and it is truly devastating. My prayers are with you that the end is now for your troubles!
Janice, please visit http://www.alpacaresearchfoundation.org and look for the latest BVD info there.
Blood testing can *sometimes* result in a false positive, but the percentage is very small.

I would not make a decision not to test based on hearing about someone having a false positive. BVD is serious, totally serious.
It sounds to me like there might be something going on at your place. If it were me, I would be testing for a variety of things. A full blood panel of the remaining guys in your herd would be my starting place. Testing for BVD would be a part of that.

My best wishes for you, and I am not a vet, so I will be praying you can find a good one near you.
I am here if you want to talk, we lost a preemie cria this year and I know how hard it is.
Slainte~
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BVD ..... was pneumonia in alpaca
Posted by: "houckj@aol.com" houckj@aol.com
Sun Oct 7, 2007 11:27 am (PST)
In a message dated 10/7/07 12:29:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wyattblack@earthlink.net writes:

> Are they all current on their vaccinations, worming, and have they been BVD
> tested?
>

I have been reading up on BVD as I have lost so many babies over the years
and they have all been small. Apparently the blood test is not reliable?

I have had a few alpacas for 7 yrs. In those 7 yrs only 4 crias have been
born and only 1 has survived to adult hood. Even that one was very very small
at birth and was in bad shape at birth requiring lots of intervention. Of the
other 3, 1 was premature and couldn't/wouldn't suck - had to be very tediously
bottle fed. He made it about a week and just when I thought he was turning
the corner he became very very weak and died. Another one was good and strong
and healthy and on his feet and nursing within minutes of birth. No problems
whatsoever. Then at about 8mos of age he was dead in the pasture. No injury,
nothing. I had him sheared and he was nothing but skin and bones. I was
shocked that that had not been noticed by my vet who was at that time comely
monthly to give Dectomax injections (I now give them myself and do body scoring at
that time). The other one was the one born this summer to the mother that
died apparently soon after giving birth; he only made it 3 days tho he had a
good sucking reflex and was easy to bottle feed, he was very weak in his legs and
one foot was deformed or damaged and he was quite unsteady on his legs. And
there was another one this summer born dead still in the placenta.

I love my alpacas and waited many many years to have the place where I could
have these wonderful adorable animals. They bring me joy everyday just by
existing. I am so discouraged and weary of dealing with death. I don't know
what to do. I just cannot keep burying animals. It is taking its toll on my.
The vet situation is horrid.

Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] camelid vet

Janice,
Her name is Dr. Gilliam at Maury County Veterinary Hospital 931-388-4750. Maybe she knows where her vet school doctors are working. It cannot hurt to ask. Hope it helps. It is so fustrating to not get the help you need. I have a vet that is only about 8 minutes from me but his attitude is if you catch it I'll treat it. No thanks. I have horses, alpacas, llamas and goats none of which he likes to work on. I will be using Maury Hospital from now on. I have used them once so far with one of my horses and have liked them.
Anne

houckj@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/7/07 8:08:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
alpacas2001@yahoo.com writes:

> I have just found a new vet that has spent 3 years while in vet school
> working with alpacas and she is looking to work with them so if you are not that
> far from Columbia TN you might get some help.
> Anne
>

I am in NW GA and am on the search for a *good* vet. Noone around here. I
have been using a cattle guy who is older and lives close by. He has been good
about always being willing to come out at night or on the week-ends. But
over the years I ahve gone from being eternally thankful just to have him to now
never calling him because I do not think he knows or even cares that much any
more what he's doing. I am not convinced he is better than noone at this time
and I have had a falling out with his wife who stands between him and his
customers. He is passive and friendly; she is aggressive and a bitch. She now
even answers his cell phone so I can't get to him directly. But its probably
for the best; he was not that good, just available. So it is time for me to
find someone else.

I know middle TN is too far for a vet call! But perhaps she would know
someone she could suggest for me around here. The horse vets are all too busy and
make too much money to want to fool with camelids. My dtr wants to be a horse
vet; I am begging her to specialize in camelids as I love the little darlings
so much.

Can you give me contact info for this vet?

Thanks, Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: pneumonia in alpaca

Wendy she can be reached at Maury County Veterinary Hospital, Dr. Gilliam 931-388-4750
Hope the best for you and your critters.
Anne

wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com> wrote:
Anne, Thank you so much, could you give me her information? I would
be very grateful. I want to have someone come out and check all of
my alpacas and llamas.

Thank you,

Wendy
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Anne Kent <alpacas2001@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Wendy I am in middle TN also and have found the same problem
with vets. When I mention alpacas they say they do not do alpacas.
I have just found a new vet that has spent 3 years while in vet
school working with alpacas and she is looking to work with them so
if you are not that far from Columbia TN you might get some help.
> Anne
>
> wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Heather, I have looked for a new vet in my area, middle
Tennessee
> several times, I just cannot find one that I would trust. My girl
alpaca
> was a little better today. My boy llama was not doing so well. I am
> hoping that they are both better tomorrow. I have also been giving
them
> electrolytes. If anyone knows of a vet close to middle Tennessee
please
> let me know, I could really use one.
>
> Thanks for all the advice,
>
> Wendy
>
> -- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@>
wrote:
> >
> > Well let me clarify. Our entire herd was tested for liver
flukes, many
> > if not most were positive. Treatment was to kill the liver
flukes but
> > the after effects killed those three I mentioned. Congestive
heart
> > failure, liver failure, sepsis...
> >
> > So I just don't feel that waiting and seeing is the best course
of
> > action. That may just be my opinion, but I wouldn't wait around.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:
> >
> > > Wendy,
> > > I have to say that your vet's advice doesn't make a lot of
sense to
> > > me.
> > > I don't know why he wouldn't want to make some diagnoses to
see if
> > > your
> > > other animals are sick, take some bloods for example, rather
than
> wait
> > > for the rest to go downhill before starting them on treatment.
I'll
> be
> > > honest, I really don't know how test for pneumonia, but I'm
sure
> that
> > > blood tests are in order, and they will not only tell what
your sick
> > > one has, and if the rest have the same thing. And then you
will know
> > > to
> > > treat for that rather than wait till they all get really really
> sick.
> > > If it's blood borne of course.
> > >
> > > Maybe you might want to look around for a new vet?
> > >
> > > We had a bout with liver flukes at another property once, and
while
> > > many were tested and diagnosed with them, the treatment was to
just
> > > wait. After losing our best 3, we asked what we could do... we
were
> > > met
> > > with blank stares from our vet (a leading camelid vet) and the
staff
> > > at
> > > OSU. Needless to say, we didn't just wait and see, we
aggressively
> > > treated with herbs after doing a whole lot of research and
> > > investigation. WE didn't lose another animal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, I'd get a second opinion. Best of luck
to
> you!
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > West Wind Alpacas
> > > Eugene, OR
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro
> grandson
> > > Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea
> Farms!
> > > http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> > > http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> > >
> > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:40 PM, wnunezcruz wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have 8 alpacas and 8 llamas. I brought home 2 pregnant
llamas
> > > about
> > > > 10 days ago. After about 6 days my alpacas and llamas got
runny
> > > noses.
> > > > I had my vet check them (he is more of a cattle vet but does
know
> > > some
> > > > about alpacas) and he said to wait and see if they go off of
their
> > > > feed. I went out yesterday and had a girl off of her feed and
> laying
> > > > down breathing hard, runny eyes and nose. I also had a male
llama
> > > with
> > > > the same symptoms. My vet came out and gave me Nufor? 3
cc/100
> lbs.
> > > I
> > > > asked him if I should dose all of my alpacas and llamas and
he
> said
> > > to
> > > > wait until they go off of their food. My girl alpaca is
better
> > > today,
> > > > my llama not so good. Can anyone tell me if they have had
this
> > > problem
> > > > or what you would suggest about going ahead and dosing my
other
> > > > animals?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Wendy
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: pneumonia in alpaca

Anne, Thank you so much, could you give me her information? I would
be very grateful. I want to have someone come out and check all of
my alpacas and llamas.

Thank you,

Wendy
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Anne Kent <alpacas2001@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Wendy I am in middle TN also and have found the same problem
with vets. When I mention alpacas they say they do not do alpacas.
I have just found a new vet that has spent 3 years while in vet
school working with alpacas and she is looking to work with them so
if you are not that far from Columbia TN you might get some help.
> Anne
>
> wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Heather, I have looked for a new vet in my area, middle
Tennessee
> several times, I just cannot find one that I would trust. My girl
alpaca
> was a little better today. My boy llama was not doing so well. I am
> hoping that they are both better tomorrow. I have also been giving
them
> electrolytes. If anyone knows of a vet close to middle Tennessee
please
> let me know, I could really use one.
>
> Thanks for all the advice,
>
> Wendy
>
> -- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@>
wrote:
> >
> > Well let me clarify. Our entire herd was tested for liver
flukes, many
> > if not most were positive. Treatment was to kill the liver
flukes but
> > the after effects killed those three I mentioned. Congestive
heart
> > failure, liver failure, sepsis...
> >
> > So I just don't feel that waiting and seeing is the best course
of
> > action. That may just be my opinion, but I wouldn't wait around.
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:
> >
> > > Wendy,
> > > I have to say that your vet's advice doesn't make a lot of
sense to
> > > me.
> > > I don't know why he wouldn't want to make some diagnoses to
see if
> > > your
> > > other animals are sick, take some bloods for example, rather
than
> wait
> > > for the rest to go downhill before starting them on treatment.
I'll
> be
> > > honest, I really don't know how test for pneumonia, but I'm
sure
> that
> > > blood tests are in order, and they will not only tell what
your sick
> > > one has, and if the rest have the same thing. And then you
will know
> > > to
> > > treat for that rather than wait till they all get really really
> sick.
> > > If it's blood borne of course.
> > >
> > > Maybe you might want to look around for a new vet?
> > >
> > > We had a bout with liver flukes at another property once, and
while
> > > many were tested and diagnosed with them, the treatment was to
just
> > > wait. After losing our best 3, we asked what we could do... we
were
> > > met
> > > with blank stares from our vet (a leading camelid vet) and the
staff
> > > at
> > > OSU. Needless to say, we didn't just wait and see, we
aggressively
> > > treated with herbs after doing a whole lot of research and
> > > investigation. WE didn't lose another animal.
> > >
> > > So what I'm saying is, I'd get a second opinion. Best of luck
to
> you!
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > West Wind Alpacas
> > > Eugene, OR
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro
> grandson
> > > Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea
> Farms!
> > > http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> > > http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
> > >
> > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:40 PM, wnunezcruz wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have 8 alpacas and 8 llamas. I brought home 2 pregnant
llamas
> > > about
> > > > 10 days ago. After about 6 days my alpacas and llamas got
runny
> > > noses.
> > > > I had my vet check them (he is more of a cattle vet but does
know
> > > some
> > > > about alpacas) and he said to wait and see if they go off of
their
> > > > feed. I went out yesterday and had a girl off of her feed and
> laying
> > > > down breathing hard, runny eyes and nose. I also had a male
llama
> > > with
> > > > the same symptoms. My vet came out and gave me Nufor? 3
cc/100
> lbs.
> > > I
> > > > asked him if I should dose all of my alpacas and llamas and
he
> said
> > > to
> > > > wait until they go off of their food. My girl alpaca is
better
> > > today,
> > > > my llama not so good. Can anyone tell me if they have had
this
> > > problem
> > > > or what you would suggest about going ahead and dosing my
other
> > > > animals?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Wendy
> > >
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] shearing table


Hi Janice,

You can also try hand shearing them, to at least get the fiber off their blanket area during the hot summer months.? You can use Fisker scissors (I have found them at the grocery store), or any scissors really - having a spring in them like the Fiskar helps because you only have to push them, rather than push and them pull them open for the next?cut.

I have done this to one or two of my girls over the years - one had a broken leg, the other was due in a month (and yes, I know, many people shear unless there are nose and toes sticking out, but we don't have really hot summers so I can get away with it) or they were older girls and I didn't want them sheared to the skin because they grow fiber so slowly.? I create a small pen - maybe 5' by 5', if they are halterbroke I put a halter on and have my son hold them.? If not, I just grab a chunk of fiber, snip, and follow them about in the pen until they cush, which they all have so far.? Once they cush, its easy - just trim away.? I start at the back by the withers and work my way back and down.

Heidi Christensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: houckj@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:27 am
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] shearing table

I am really appreciating all the discussion lately on alpaca heatlh. I had
signed onto this list back in the summer when I lost my female and then the
baby. A computer friend (I am not a computer or internet person) did some
searching for me, altho she knows nothing about alpacas, and found this list for me
and some info on BVD somewhere which she suggested from her reading might be a
problem in my herd. But the list seemed to be only about alpacas for sale
and was otherwise silent. I am so appreciative of the posts this week. It is
so helpful to read what others do and to know there is a wealth of support and
info available.

But this post is to request any information on a shearing table. In the past
I have hired someone to come over and shear my alpacas. He is getting too
expensive and I could not have it done this summer. It was extremely hot and
extremely stressful summer. I ended up hosing them down 2x a day and purchasing
a huge industrial fan and running a long extension cord out to the woods for
them (this alone cost me as much as the shearing would have!). It is clear
that I *must* begin doing these tasks myself. As mentioned in another post the
only time they get their toenails trimmed is when they are being sheared. The
guy that does this for me is very gentle; he uses a huge soft rubber mat and
tie out stakes to tie their legs. Still it takes both his wife and myself to
hold the pacas gently but firmly and be soothing them while he works. I do
the nail trimming myself. So I know I can do it ..... when they are restrained.

I have heard there is a table you walk them up to and lean them on and then
it goes horizontal and I guess you somehow restrain them on it. It sounds
quite expensive to me. Can anyone here tell me more?

Anyway, it is really a relief to be able to communicate with other paca
people. I am just a small hobby alpaca lover who desparately wants to keep them
happy, healthy and alive!

Thanks, Janice

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posted by Chaddo at 12:25 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] camelid vet

http://www.tennllama.com/members/veterinarians.htm
At the bottom of the page there are a few vets in GA listed.

http://www.georgia-alpaca.com/links/
This the the alpaca breeder's association, they have some links for
vets and I'm sure members near you will be happy to give you the names
of their vets.

Heather

On Oct 7, 2007, at 11:27 AM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/07 8:08:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alpacas2001@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I have just found a new vet that has spent 3 years while in vet
> school
> > working with alpacas and she is looking to work with them so if you
> are not that
> > far from Columbia TN you might get some help.
> > Anne
> >
>
> I am in NW GA and am on the search for a *good* vet. Noone around
> here. I
> have been using a cattle guy who is older and lives close by. He has
> been good
> about always being willing to come out at night or on the week-ends.
> But
> over the years I ahve gone from being eternally thankful just to have
> him to now
> never calling him because I do not think he knows or even cares that
> much any
> more what he's doing. I am not convinced he is better than noone at
> this time
> and I have had a falling out with his wife who stands between him and
> his
> customers. He is passive and friendly; she is aggressive and a bitch.
> She now
> even answers his cell phone so I can't get to him directly. But its
> probably
> for the best; he was not that good, just available. So it is time for
> me to
> find someone else.
>
> I know middle TN is too far for a vet call! But perhaps she would know
> someone she could suggest for me around here. The horse vets are all
> too busy and
> make too much money to want to fool with camelids. My dtr wants to be
> a horse
> vet; I am begging her to specialize in camelids as I love the little
> darlings
> so much.
>
> Can you give me contact info for this vet?
>
> Thanks, Janice
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] shearing table

Shearing tables are rather expensive, but they are great. The concept
is the same as stretching them out on the ground with the restraints,
it's just easier to get them on the table since the floor restraints
still require wrestling them to the ground! And that's often very hard
to do!

And yes, alpacas really do need to be shorn every year. If they're not
show animals or show fleeces, it is possible to do it yourself, even
with a pair of fiskars soft-touch scissors (the ones that are spring
loaded). Another idea is to save the shearing fee in a cookie jar, one
fee per month or maybe two per month or whatever... so that by the
spring/summer you'll have enough to pay the shearer. Just resist the
urge to "borrow" from the jar!

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] holistic treatments..... was pneumonia in alpaca

Just a quick note in reference to DE for parasite control. It has been
studied by many (Dr. Pugh, for one) and proven completely irrelevant and
useless for internal parasite control. Feeding DE and counting on parasite
control is asking for death. Fecal checks and appropriate anthelmintics are
the only proven reliable method.

Jess

Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK 74055-6531
(918) 327-3519
Fax (918) 272-0969
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----- Original Message -----
From: <houckj@aol.com>
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] holistic treatments..... was pneumonia in alpaca

> In a message dated 10/6/07 9:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:
>
>
>> Needless to say, we didn't just wait and see, we aggressively
>> treated with herbs after doing a whole lot of research and
>> investigation. WE didn't lose another animal.
>>
>
> Heather,
> I like the way you think! I am a holistic health practitioner and an
> organic
> farmer. I have never investigated too much into herbs and holistic
> treatments for my animals. Normally I have no health problems with them.
> The past
> year or so has been the pits however and I have had many burdens to bear
> in the
> past 1-2 yrs that have totally taken my attention and energy and my
> animals
> have had to go on back burner.
>
> It has been flirting around in the back of my mind for some time now that
> I
> would like to get more holistic with my animals. May I ask what herbs you
> treated with and what your routine is now that you have had such a success
> using
> them?
>
> I know lots of folks use diatamacious earth (DE) for intestinal worms. I
> used to use it for flea treatments in my house and ON my dogs, but have
> never
> used it internally. I know it is an irritant and will slice skin
> microsopically
> (that is how it kills soft bodied insects including flea larvae) so I have
> not
> been that willing to give it internally without knowing more.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Janice Holley Houck, M.A., RD/LD, owner
> Loving Hearts Pharm and Wellness Center
> where happy healthy living is our specialty!
> 706-234-2862

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] holistic treatments..... was pneumonia in alpaca

Hi Janice,
Actually it was my mom, Sheri Hewitt, who did all the hard work of
calling a lot of people, and finally speaking with Eagle Peak Herbals,
who helped her come up with a treatment plan. It consisted of Milk
Thistle tincture primarily, and a bunch of other herbs which we top
dressed on the feed. I hope Mom will reply to this and fill in the gaps
for me! We also added MSM as a topdress. It's not cheap and it did sort
of blow out everyone's microns while we were feeding it to them, but it
did help in healing their ravaged livers and acted as a preventative
wormer. And the milk thistle is very good for liver problems of all
kinds. I think we may have treated some with antibiotics due to the
threat of sepsis from the dead liver flukes left in their systems...

Interestingly, since the liver can regenerate itself even after a
serious assault as from liver flukes, it is the after-effects of
treatment that was the most harmful, the congestive heart failure and
sepsis.

Learning about herbs and homeopathy does take a lot of time. There is
just so much to learn! But it can work where western medicine has no
treatment, as with the liver fluke problem. So if you don't have the
time or energy to learn *enough* on your own (like me) it is a great
idea to find a naturopathic vet who will help when needed. Or, as with
Eagle Peak Herbals, some will help over the phone or email. Armed with
the dx from our vet and OSU, Mom worked with them, giving detailed
descriptions of their behavior to find a treatment plan that worked to
save the rest of our herd.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
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On Oct 7, 2007, at 11:27 AM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/6/07 9:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:
>
> > Needless to say, we didn't just wait and see, we aggressively
> > treated with herbs after doing a whole lot of research and
> > investigation. WE didn't lose another animal.
> >
>
> Heather,
> I like the way you think! I am a holistic health practitioner and an
> organic
> farmer. I have never investigated too much into herbs and holistic
> treatments for my animals. Normally I have no health problems with
> them. The past
> year or so has been the pits however and I have had many burdens to
> bear in the
> past 1-2 yrs that have totally taken my attention and energy and my
> animals
> have had to go on back burner.
>
> It has been flirting around in the back of my mind for some time now
> that I
> would like to get more holistic with my animals. May I ask what herbs
> you
> treated with and what your routine is now that you have had such a
> success using
> them?
>
> I know lots of folks use diatamacious earth (DE) for intestinal
> worms. I
> used to use it for flea treatments in my house and ON my dogs, but
> have never
> used it internally. I know it is an irritant and will slice skin
> microsopically
> (that is how it kills soft bodied insects including flea larvae) so I
> have not
> been that willing to give it internally without knowing more.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Janice Holley Houck, M.A., RD/LD, owner
> Loving Hearts Pharm and Wellness Center
> where happy healthy living is our specialty!
> 706-234-2862

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