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Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Intellectual Property Rights

John,
Those of us who have been in the biz for a while remember this type
of action from that person as long ago as 10 years or more.
Personally, I don't respect it a lot.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It seems as though some
people out there (not only the person you named) want to own the word
"Alpaca" altogether!

Heather

On Jan 28, 2009, at 8:02 PM, gatewayfarm wrote:

> This is a cross post, but I think it is important...
>
> I am writing this because I see a disturbing pattern emerging. Over
> the past week I have heard tell of at least 4 incidents, and tonight
> I received a similar call.
>
> There is a person out there by the name of Linda Davis (Amerilinda
> Farm LLC) who contacted me tonight to inform me that my use of the
> phrase "Alpaca Farm Finder" was an infringement on her trademarked
> term "AlpacaFinder".
>
> I know that she has been making similar claims for the term
> "AlpacaWear" and "Alpaca Wear".
>
> I also have it on good report that she has made similar claims on the
> term "AlpacaShop" and "Alpaca Shop".
>
> Now, keep in mind, I am not an attorney. However, I have had
> opportunity to talk with an attorney on these matters over the course
> of the past week.
>
> Many, perhaps most of these claims lack merit.
>
> Example: She does hold a trademark on the term "AlpacaShop".
> However, it is in the supplemental registry. This offers severely
> limited protection for the owner. It primarilly exists to allow a
> person time to develop brand awareness for what is otherwise a
> descriptive phrase. It does not prevent others from using that
> descriptive phrase.
>
> Example: She does in fact hold a trademark for a hang tag that
> includes a graphic image, and stylized typography with the phrase
> "Alpaca Wear". The trademark is specific to that hang tag/label and
> does not extend to the use of the words "alpaca" or "wear".
>
> It should be noted that she has applied for a trademark on the plain
> text version of "AlpacaWear" and its pseudonym "Alpaca Wear" - and
> that is just coming open for objections from the public.
>
> Example: She does hold a trademark for the single word
> "AlpacaFinder" but only as it applies to identifying alpacas suitable
> for a specific purpose.
>
> In every case that I am aware of Ms. Davis has attempted to extend
> her intellectual property rights significantly beyond the protection
> offered by the US Patent and Trademark Office.
>
> If you are contacted by Ms. Davis I would advise you to have her
> submit her concerns to you in writing. I would then go to the US PTO
> website and conduct a search for the phrase that she is claiming you
> are infringing on. In all of the cases I have seen so far even a
> neophyte can quickly see that the claims lack merit. However, if you
> are in doubt, consulting with an attorney would be appropriate.
>
> But, do not allow yourself to be bullied by threats of action, or
> just a bunch of legalese. The more this person gets away with this,
> the poorer we all are.
>
> And, by successfully forcing people to remove the phrases she covets
> ownership over she significantly advances her attempts to gain
> registration of the otherwise generic and descriptive phrases.
>
> FWIW, she all but refused to submit her concerns to me in writing,
> and escalated to the point I ended up hanging up on her. We will see
> if she is willing to make a written claim.
>
> Protect your rights!!
>
> John Merrell

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[AlpacaTalk] Intellectual Property Rights

This is a cross post, but I think it is important...

I am writing this because I see a disturbing pattern emerging. Over
the past week I have heard tell of at least 4 incidents, and tonight
I received a similar call.

There is a person out there by the name of Linda Davis (Amerilinda
Farm LLC) who contacted me tonight to inform me that my use of the
phrase "Alpaca Farm Finder" was an infringement on her trademarked
term "AlpacaFinder".

I know that she has been making similar claims for the term
"AlpacaWear" and "Alpaca Wear".

I also have it on good report that she has made similar claims on the
term "AlpacaShop" and "Alpaca Shop".

Now, keep in mind, I am not an attorney. However, I have had
opportunity to talk with an attorney on these matters over the course
of the past week.

Many, perhaps most of these claims lack merit.

Example: She does hold a trademark on the term "AlpacaShop".
However, it is in the supplemental registry. This offers severely
limited protection for the owner. It primarilly exists to allow a
person time to develop brand awareness for what is otherwise a
descriptive phrase. It does not prevent others from using that
descriptive phrase.

Example: She does in fact hold a trademark for a hang tag that
includes a graphic image, and stylized typography with the phrase
"Alpaca Wear". The trademark is specific to that hang tag/label and
does not extend to the use of the words "alpaca" or "wear".

It should be noted that she has applied for a trademark on the plain
text version of "AlpacaWear" and its pseudonym "Alpaca Wear" - and
that is just coming open for objections from the public.

Example: She does hold a trademark for the single word
"AlpacaFinder" but only as it applies to identifying alpacas suitable
for a specific purpose.

In every case that I am aware of Ms. Davis has attempted to extend
her intellectual property rights significantly beyond the protection
offered by the US Patent and Trademark Office.

If you are contacted by Ms. Davis I would advise you to have her
submit her concerns to you in writing. I would then go to the US PTO
website and conduct a search for the phrase that she is claiming you
are infringing on. In all of the cases I have seen so far even a
neophyte can quickly see that the claims lack merit. However, if you
are in doubt, consulting with an attorney would be appropriate.

But, do not allow yourself to be bullied by threats of action, or
just a bunch of legalese. The more this person gets away with this,
the poorer we all are.

And, by successfully forcing people to remove the phrases she covets
ownership over she significantly advances her attempts to gain
registration of the otherwise generic and descriptive phrases.

FWIW, she all but refused to submit her concerns to me in writing,
and escalated to the point I ended up hanging up on her. We will see
if she is willing to make a written claim.

Protect your rights!!

John Merrell

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Teeth trimming

Yes, our prior vet was wrong in removing his teeth. She did it so quickly
we didn't even have a chance to ask questions or object. Needless to say, I
will NEVER use her again.

I fought AOBA for months on this teeth issue and finally got them to add the
rule that missing teeth are NOT to be marked down. If anyone ever has that
problem with a judge at a show, ask for the rules DURING the class and tell
that judge they are wrong if they mark you down at all for missing teeth.
They CAN still judge the bite, even if both teeth are gone. We were horrified
and AOBA finally admitted the judge was wrong. I will never show under that
judge again and now I check every show to make sure the judges are properly
trained and qualified or I won't show. I mean, what if someone paid all that
money to enter a show and their young males knocked out some teeth in the
trailer on the way there? Or you don't notice until you get there that a tooth
has fallen out? It happens all the time.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA



In a message dated 1/28/2009 7:28:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

For the future, as I'm Susan now knows all too well, it is only under
very rare occasions that it is necessary to remove teeth. Those would
be for real medical reasons, never for cosmetic reasons. Tooth broken
at the root and no chance for growing back, root abcess when other
courses of treatment have failed...

Just because an animal has broken a tooth and it looks "bad" is no
reason to remove teeth! Even if an animal I take into the show ring
has both baby and adult teeth present, I will never have the baby
teeth removed, just because I'm showing him/her. We did that once,
the male did take blue at a level 4 show, but now his adult teeth
didn't have that retainer effect from the baby teeth, so it looks
like be has a bad bite. Well, his bite isn't perfect, they do extend
past the dental pad and they don't wear properly.

So my advice is to forget that show, if your boy has wonky teeth at
the time. I'm sure Susan agrees! Of course, we shouldn't have had to
learn these things the hard way. And why are vets to eager to pull
teeth willy-nilly?

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Teeth trimming

For the future, as I'm Susan now knows all too well, it is only under
very rare occasions that it is necessary to remove teeth. Those would
be for real medical reasons, never for cosmetic reasons. Tooth broken
at the root and no chance for growing back, root abcess when other
courses of treatment have failed...

Just because an animal has broken a tooth and it looks "bad" is no
reason to remove teeth! Even if an animal I take into the show ring
has both baby and adult teeth present, I will never have the baby
teeth removed, just because I'm showing him/her. We did that once,
the male did take blue at a level 4 show, but now his adult teeth
didn't have that retainer effect from the baby teeth, so it looks
like be has a bad bite. Well, his bite isn't perfect, they do extend
past the dental pad and they don't wear properly.

So my advice is to forget that show, if your boy has wonky teeth at
the time. I'm sure Susan agrees! Of course, we shouldn't have had to
learn these things the hard way. And why are vets to eager to pull
teeth willy-nilly?

Heather

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Teeth trimming

Thanks Heather and Carolyn. We don't have enough alpacas to justify buying
a Toothamatic yet, but I do want one eventually.

The vet that removed our herdsire's teeth commented as she did so: "Gee, I
hope these aren't his permanent teeth.", leaving us horrified and wondering
for months if we would ever be able to show him again or have to geld him.
What a nightmare that was, we wasted a lot of money at a show after that only
to be marked down from 2nd to 3rd place by an untrained judge who should not
have done so. It hurt us financially and ribbon-wise, it is our only herdsire.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA



In a message dated 1/27/2009 7:03:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

She really should not have removed the broken teeth, they need those
teeth, and they grow back! We had a girl who thrashed around so much
during a vet visit that she whacked her head into the wall of the
barn and broke off a tooth at the gumline, actually a bit below it.
It grew back. eventually, and no worse for the wear.

Ya, I'd never go back to that vet. I hope it was baby teeth she
removed at least!

Heather

On Jan 27, 2009, at 6:40 PM, _LunarStruck@LunarSt_
(mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com) wrote:

> Thanks, Heather. No, it wasn't already broken, the vet just didn't
> know
> what she was doing. She is the one who ended up surgically removing
> the broken
> tooth and the other one and costing us a trip to the color
> championship class
> at the next show as a result. AND I noticed that she charged us for
> both
> filing and removing the teeth! We will never go back to her.
>
> I'll have to suck it up and try it soon, we have no ranch vet and
> can't take
> all our alpacas to the vet just to trim teeth, they won't all fit
> in the
> trailer! : )
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/27/2009 6:15:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> _alpacatalk@westwindalpacatalk@_ (mailto:alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com)
writes:
>
> I wonder if the tooth was already cracked? I don't know how many boys
> you have but they can fight hard! We've had lots of boys break teeth
> during fights, all on their own without any help from us. My lovely
> Scirocco had perfect teeth, just gorgeous, and then he broke them all
> off fighting! At least I got pics before he broke them all!
>
> I think also, pulling TOO hard on the wire can break off the tooth
> before cutting is complete. When this happens, the dremel is useful
> to smooth off the rough edge.
>
> Trying to describe the perfect amount of tension/pressure is
> difficult, but you want to pull hard enough that you get a lot of
> cutting with each stroke, so that it takes as few strokes as
> possible. Also, a dull wire requires more tension than a new one, it
> doesn't cut as well, and I think proves a greater risk for poorly cut
> teeth and breaks.
>
> Heather
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 5:59 PM, _LunarStruck@ On Jan
> (mailto:_LunarStruck@LunarSt_ (mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com) ) wrote:
>
> > Heather, I have a question that might benefit everyone too. Our old
> > vet
> > broke one of our herdsire's incisors trimming it with an OB wire
> > and now I'm
> > afraid to try it. How do you avoid this outcome and has it ever
> > happened to
> > you? Any advice on how much pressure to use? Thanks.
> >
> > SUSAN OLSON
> > Alpaca Loco
> > Riverside, CA
>
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>
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>
>
>

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