alpacas: 11/19/08

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

i also have a dark rose gray / silver gray male who's spots card into the most amazing colors - but i didn't realize a judge could penalize for spots on the blanket - it's hard keeping up with what's "in" and what isn't - and it feels like there's some subjectivity involved -
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Hi Wendy,
After much discussion and disparaging of spots on alpacas, it was
determined to be a non-issue. There was a "wandering spot" theory,
which some, like Safley and Ian Watt claimed that if you have a spot on
an extremity (head or feet) it could turn up in the blanket, and
increase the chance of the dreaded "color contamination."

With greys, there is much more latitude, but it is still preferred that
the grey be a uniform color or shade, with no spots of solids or
different shades or values or what have you. I don't see what the
problem is, I have a rose grey boy with solid maroon starting halfway
down his blanket, and he has spots of fawn, brown, white, and maroon in
his blanket. I used to call him a "Dark Rose Grey Fancy Pinto
Appaloosa." During processing, that colors are all blended and
depending on the amount of blending, you will get a uniform blended
heathered yarn, or with less blending, you'd get a nice tweedy yarn.

So what's the problem? In the end, it was just a way to make some
otherwise very nice animals worth less than the ones owned by "the ones
who make the rules." Or so it seemed. It is prohibited to penalize for
spots that do not occur in the blanket, and for greys they aren't
judged on uniformity of color, so that shouldn't be penalized, either.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Wendy Edwards wrote:

> hi - what is the issue about spots on an alpaca? Heather mentioned it
> and aroused my curiosity - one of my favourite girls has spots - she's
> beautiful and i can card four different colors from her: black, silver
> gray, rose gray and steel gray. Everyone who sees her picks her out of
> the herd and comments on how pretty she is
>
> is this spot thing a trend? Or is there a real breeding problem? I am
> breeding her this spring to our solid color, full Bolivian male,
> mainly because of his bloodlines, not his color.
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

I totally agree, Robin - we breed specifically for multis and out of three
births the past year from multi females with lots of white, got only one multi
and two complete very dark solids. I think the multis provide excellent
spinning choices, you can either blend their fleece or separate it - pinto
fleeces are easy to separate.

I do have to admit though that when searching for a grey herdsire, unless it
is an appaloosa I look for a solid coat with no spots. They are just better
to spin. If there are a lot of spots and they are uniform, it is not a
problem, but a few large dark spots on a grey coat really tends to provide a
problem when spinning the fleece.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

==================

In a message dated 11/19/2008 1:32:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jardbuet74@yahoo.com writes:

Breeding problem??? The problem being, if you want and breed for multis,
appaloosa, spots, patterns and pintos; you will only get solids. On the other
hand if you think spots are a dreaded thing and a "contamination" to your
breeding program; you are sure to find a spot on every solid alpaca in your
pasture. <W for one, enjoy variety in my life...I like a cold beer just as well
as a glass of wine, roses and daffodils, vegetablevegetable<WB sunny days as
well as a rainy ones. I wish I had more multis, they do distinguish
themselves as unique among the herd. Enjoy your alpacas for who they are...good
health, temperment, fiber structure and yes, bloodlines are better tools for my
breeding choices. Have fun with your breeding decisions...your breeding
decisions...<WBR>the waiting a year f Robin

Ace & Robin Buettenback
B4 Alpacas LLC
3742 S Locust
Grand Island Ne 68801

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Wendy Edwards <_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_
(mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) > wrote:

From: Wendy Edwards <_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_ (mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) >
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] spots
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 9:24 AM

hi - what is the issue about spots on an alpaca? Heather mentioned it and
aroused my curiosity - one of my favourite girls has spots - she's beautiful
and i can card four different colors from her: black, silver gray, rose gray
and steel gray. Everyone who sees her picks her out of the herd and comments on
how pretty she is

is this spot thing a trend? Or is there a real breeding problem? I am
breeding her this spring to our solid color, full Bolivian male, mainly because of
his bloodlines, not his color.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (4) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Breeding problem??? The problem being, if you want and breed for multis, appaloosa, spots, patterns and pintos; you will only get solids. On the other hand if you think spots are a dreaded thing and a "contamination" to your breeding program; you are sure to find a spot on every solid alpaca in your pasture. I, for one, enjoy variety in my life...I like a cold beer just as well as a glass of wine, roses and daffodils, vegetables and fruit, sunny days as well as a rainy ones. I wish I had more multis, they do distinguish themselves as unique among the herd. Enjoy your alpacas for who they are...good health, temperment, fiber structure and yes, bloodlines are better tools for my breeding choices. Have fun with your breeding decisions...the waiting a year for the results is torture!! Robin

Ace & Robin Buettenback
B4 Alpacas LLC
3742 S Locust
Grand Island Ne 68801

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@shaw.ca> wrote:

From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@shaw.ca>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] spots
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 9:24 AM

hi - what is the issue about spots on an alpaca? Heather mentioned it and aroused my curiosity - one of my favourite girls has spots - she's beautiful and i can card four different colors from her: black, silver gray, rose gray and steel gray. Everyone who sees her picks her out of the herd and comments on how pretty she is

is this spot thing a trend? Or is there a real breeding problem? I am breeding her this spring to our solid color, full Bolivian male, mainly because of his bloodlines, not his color.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

[AlpacaTalk] AOBA issues

Hi everyone.

As you all know very well, I speak up about things when I see a
problem. "Complaining" is a first step in solving a problem (not the
only way, but speaking up and spreading the word id vital). Sometimes,
the airing of complaints and un-ease makes others upset and angry.
Conversely, being stifled and shouted down makes people upset and
angry.

After my initial airing of concerns recently, I did actually put on my
thinking cap to come up with ideas to improve AOBA. I had the great
idea (copied almost directly from another livestock org's fee
structure) of changing the dues structure to make membership more
accessible to more breeders. And I forwarded this idea to the AOBA
BOD. I was blown off by two board members, and this morning received a
phone call from David Barboza.

In a nutshell, I don't see this idea or anything like ti being
implemented any time soon. AOBA BOD sees our membership dues as a
significant income stream. I let Mr. Barboza know that many smaller
breeders are not comfortable with that. In fact, we resent it. I let
him know that most of us do not see any benefits of our membership,
with the exception of opportunities to spend more money. He mentioned
that attendance at the mid-winter conference is free! Woo! We
appreciate that, I said, but for most of us, it's just not possible for
us to take advantage of the opportunity to attend. We just don't have
the money for airfare, hotel, to pay help to take care of our animals
while we're gone, take time off work... We spoke for an hour, I think,
and he just doesn't get that most of us don't have the money. We CAN'T
take advantage of these "opportunities." To most of us, it just looks
like more money we're expected to spend, and it's money that isn't
there.

So my request to everyone is to try to think of ways to make AOBA work
for all of us, not just those who can afford 10 full page ads in each
issue of AM (at over $1000 per page!). AOBA really is OUR organization,
it's up to us to make it better and these opportunities more
accessible. I suggested that these ads should also be on a sliding
scale fee tier. Right now, I still couldn't afford an ad, but if it
were more affordable, maybe next year...

So that is my thought of the day. Let's all try to come up with some
good ideas, and send them to the board.

Here are their email addresses:
hhf@hobbyhorsefarm.com
jess@acresoflove.com
fivestaralpacas@comcast.net
alpacaconsult@earthlink.net
mail@ranchonc.com
info@incafashions.com

Regarding my sliding scale membership fees, he did say that most
breeders are in the 1-25 head group. Ok, so maybe the fee tier could go
like this:
1-25 head - $50
26-50 head - $100
51-100 head - $500
100-250 head - $1000
250-500 head - $2500
500-1000 head - $5000
1000+ - $10,000

I think a progressive structure for all "services" and "opportunities"
should be implemented to make them really feasible for those of who are
marginalized at this time.

I'm sure there are other ways we can make AOBA work for us, and there
have got to be other ways for AOBA to raise funds, rather than from the
membership's pockets.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Hi Wendy,
After much discussion and disparaging of spots on alpacas, it was
determined to be a non-issue. There was a "wandering spot" theory,
which some, like Safley and Ian Watt claimed that if you have a spot on
an extremity (head or feet) it could turn up in the blanket, and
increase the chance of the dreaded "color contamination."

With greys, there is much more latitude, but it is still preferred that
the grey be a uniform color or shade, with no spots of solids or
different shades or values or what have you. I don't see what the
problem is, I have a rose grey boy with solid maroon starting halfway
down his blanket, and he has spots of fawn, brown, white, and maroon in
his blanket. I used to call him a "Dark Rose Grey Fancy Pinto
Appaloosa." During processing, that colors are all blended and
depending on the amount of blending, you will get a uniform blended
heathered yarn, or with less blending, you'd get a nice tweedy yarn.

So what's the problem? In the end, it was just a way to make some
otherwise very nice animals worth less than the ones owned by "the ones
who make the rules." Or so it seemed. It is prohibited to penalize for
spots that do not occur in the blanket, and for greys they aren't
judged on uniformity of color, so that shouldn't be penalized, either.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Wendy Edwards wrote:

> hi - what is the issue about spots on an alpaca? Heather mentioned it
> and aroused my curiosity - one of my favourite girls has spots - she's
> beautiful and i can card four different colors from her: black, silver
> gray, rose gray and steel gray. Everyone who sees her picks her out of
> the herd and comments on how pretty she is
>
> is this spot thing a trend? Or is there a real breeding problem? I am
> breeding her this spring to our solid color, full Bolivian male,
> mainly because of his bloodlines, not his color.
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

[AlpacaTalk] spots

hi - what is the issue about spots on an alpaca? Heather mentioned it and aroused my curiosity - one of my favourite girls has spots - she's beautiful and i can card four different colors from her: black, silver gray, rose gray and steel gray. Everyone who sees her picks her out of the herd and comments on how pretty she is

is this spot thing a trend? Or is there a real breeding problem? I am breeding her this spring to our solid color, full Bolivian male, mainly because of his bloodlines, not his color.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___

Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

Message posts are the opinion of individuals posting and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by Yahoo! or the moderator of this group. The purpose of this discussion group is to ensure that all points of view can be aired. It is the responsbilty of all individuals who post to treat others with respect and civility.

MARKETPLACE

From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods

Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

.

__,_._,___

alpacas

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

Wednesday, November 19, 2008

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

[AlpacaTalk] AOBA issues

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

Re: [AlpacaTalk] spots

Free Alpacas Newsletter- How to Profit from Alpaca Farming

[AlpacaTalk] spots

About Me

Links

Previous Posts

Archives