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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

Ah, I missed that... Front legs. Well clearly we have many people with much more expertise to offer than I have. :) What a great group! I hope you find a solution and she makes it through...


Best wishes,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Tawny Bott wrote:

 

I would consider West Nile. When my alpaca contracted it, the first signs was stumbling  and her front legs buckling, a temperature and looking a bit like she had a headache.
Tawny Bott  Abra-Cadabra Alpacas  Kiowa, CO.  www.Abra-CadabraAlpacas.com  303-621-9656
On 8/26/2012 8:13 PM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:
 

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  Sorry no time to reply to each individually.
The main problem is not bloat; that was just my first thought.
It is her legs buckling.   When we get her up, she can stand and walk.
She is eating, pooping, alert.   No other obvious problems, except simply cannot get up on her own.
And while she is up for a variable length of time, her front legs buckle and down she goes.
She cannot move herself to eat, drink, or stand up to poop.  Temp was 103 yesterday.   Didn't take it today.

What I have observed today, as I had the luxury of being able to spend most of the day with her, is that her ankles are turning backwards on her.
She seems a little confused about walking, but does plod along, stumbling occ. not always going down.   Sometimes legs will start to buckle and she will be able to catch herself; other times not and down she goes.

As previously mentioned she has had this re-occurring "spasm" in a back leg for the past 2 yrs or so; but that is not what is going on now.   Now it is her front legs that are the problem.   Seems to be in her ankles.
I saw her take a step and when putting one foot down the ankle flopped backwards.  If she had put her foot all the way down the weight would have been on the front of the ankle.   I don't know how to describe it except that the ankle just flopped backwards in opposite position that it should have been to take a step.
When we lift her up she doesn't or can't seem to put her front legs down at first.  But then she does and she is standing.    Then walking around just fine.

I know she cannot go on like this.   I am not here all day every day to keep lifting her up.  Once she goes down she cannot get to food or water.   But even when I put water right in front of her I have not yet seen her take a drink at all.  Today I fed her her grain soaked with a lot of water to get some liquid in her and gave her several apples (all the alpacas love the apples falling off the tree right at their fence line).   She loves loves loves the apples.   I figured that would get some fluid in her.   This evening I let her out in the yard to graze hoping it would keep her entertained enough to keep her walking around for a while...and it did - for about 2 hrs.   When I went out for dinner feeding and moving them to night time positions, she was down right in front of the gate to go back into pasture.   I don't know if she just happened to go down there, or was ready to go back in and just went down where she wanted to be to wait for me.

So the problem is not bloat; it is something to do with her legs.   But came on so suddenly that I have to wonder what could have caused it - West Nile?  M-worm (it is not paralysis, but possibly neurological?).
Just grasping at straws for a cause and solution.
I know she cannot go on like this, but she is not sick, and certainly not on death's doorstep.  She just can't get herself around.

Janice in NW GA




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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

I live in the PNW so have no direct experience, but I am leaning toward M worm since you think it's not bloat. I don't know treatment, but if she's already been down for days, and if it is M worm, prognosis is not good. I hope anyone with more experience and info can pipe in. I'd look up the info but right now I'm having some horrible sciatica and can barely sit for any length of time. Best wishes to you and your girl.



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece


On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:13 PM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:

 

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  Sorry no time to reply to each individually.
The main problem is not bloat; that was just my first thought.
It is her legs buckling.   When we get her up, she can stand and walk.
She is eating, pooping, alert.   No other obvious problems, except simply cannot get up on her own.
And while she is up for a variable length of time, her front legs buckle and down she goes.
She cannot move herself to eat, drink, or stand up to poop.  Temp was 103 yesterday.   Didn't take it today.

What I have observed today, as I had the luxury of being able to spend most of the day with her, is that her ankles are turning backwards on her.
She seems a little confused about walking, but does plod along, stumbling occ. not always going down.   Sometimes legs will start to buckle and she will be able to catch herself; other times not and down she goes.

As previously mentioned she has had this re-occurring "spasm" in a back leg for the past 2 yrs or so; but that is not what is going on now.   Now it is her front legs that are the problem.   Seems to be in her ankles.
I saw her take a step and when putting one foot down the ankle flopped backwards.  If she had put her foot all the way down the weight would have been on the front of the ankle.   I don't know how to describe it except that the ankle just flopped backwards in opposite position that it should have been to take a step.
When we lift her up she doesn't or can't seem to put her front legs down at first.  But then she does and she is standing.    Then walking around just fine.

I know she cannot go on like this.   I am not here all day every day to keep lifting her up.  Once she goes down she cannot get to food or water.   But even when I put water right in front of her I have not yet seen her take a drink at all.  Today I fed her her grain soaked with a lot of water to get some liquid in her and gave her several apples (all the alpacas love the apples falling off the tree right at their fence line).   She loves loves loves the apples.   I figured that would get some fluid in her.   This evening I let her out in the yard to graze hoping it would keep her entertained enough to keep her walking around for a while...and it did - for about 2 hrs.   When I went out for dinner feeding and moving them to night time positions, she was down right in front of the gate to go back into pasture.   I don't know if she just happened to go down there, or was ready to go back in and just went down where she wanted to be to wait for me.

So the problem is not bloat; it is something to do with her legs.   But came on so suddenly that I have to wonder what could have caused it - West Nile?  M-worm (it is not paralysis, but possibly neurological?).
Just grasping at straws for a cause and solution.
I know she cannot go on like this, but she is not sick, and certainly not on death's doorstep.  She just can't get herself around.

Janice in NW GA


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

I would consider West Nile. When my alpaca contracted it, the first signs was stumbling  and her front legs buckling, a temperature and looking a bit like she had a headache.
Tawny Bott  Abra-Cadabra Alpacas  Kiowa, CO.  www.Abra-CadabraAlpacas.com  303-621-9656
On 8/26/2012 8:13 PM, jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net wrote:
 

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  Sorry no time to reply to each individually.
The main problem is not bloat; that was just my first thought.
It is her legs buckling.   When we get her up, she can stand and walk.
She is eating, pooping, alert.   No other obvious problems, except simply cannot get up on her own.
And while she is up for a variable length of time, her front legs buckle and down she goes.
She cannot move herself to eat, drink, or stand up to poop.  Temp was 103 yesterday.   Didn't take it today.

What I have observed today, as I had the luxury of being able to spend most of the day with her, is that her ankles are turning backwards on her.
She seems a little confused about walking, but does plod along, stumbling occ. not always going down.   Sometimes legs will start to buckle and she will be able to catch herself; other times not and down she goes.

As previously mentioned she has had this re-occurring "spasm" in a back leg for the past 2 yrs or so; but that is not what is going on now.   Now it is her front legs that are the problem.   Seems to be in her ankles.
I saw her take a step and when putting one foot down the ankle flopped backwards.  If she had put her foot all the way down the weight would have been on the front of the ankle.   I don't know how to describe it except that the ankle just flopped backwards in opposite position that it should have been to take a step.
When we lift her up she doesn't or can't seem to put her front legs down at first.  But then she does and she is standing.    Then walking around just fine.

I know she cannot go on like this.   I am not here all day every day to keep lifting her up.  Once she goes down she cannot get to food or water.   But even when I put water right in front of her I have not yet seen her take a drink at all.  Today I fed her her grain soaked with a lot of water to get some liquid in her and gave her several apples (all the alpacas love the apples falling off the tree right at their fence line).   She loves loves loves the apples.   I figured that would get some fluid in her.   This evening I let her out in the yard to graze hoping it would keep her entertained enough to keep her walking around for a while...and it did - for about 2 hrs.   When I went out for dinner feeding and moving them to night time positions, she was down right in front of the gate to go back into pasture.   I don't know if she just happened to go down there, or was ready to go back in and just went down where she wanted to be to wait for me.

So the problem is not bloat; it is something to do with her legs.   But came on so suddenly that I have to wonder what could have caused it - West Nile?  M-worm (it is not paralysis, but possibly neurological?).
Just grasping at straws for a cause and solution.
I know she cannot go on like this, but she is not sick, and certainly not on death's doorstep.  She just can't get herself around.

Janice in NW GA


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

<<<My vet had us put a stick or a rope in her mouth and make her chew on it.
30 minutes break for 1 hour then another 30 minutes we did that for
about 5hours and she seemed better. We also then have to do it a few times
the next day. Worked well.

robin Vasquez>>>


???? For what sort of problem?   And how did this help?
Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: alpaca down/can't rise

 

Several of you mentioned homeopathy, and I forgot to say that yes, I would be interested to hear suggestions.
I used to use various remedies when my kids were little, and have quite a few around; but haven't used them in years and have forgotten everything I ever knew....which wasn't that much.

I am also a big believer in chiropractic care and have already decided to contact my chiropractor in Atlanta, who has adjusted my GSD on several occasions, to see if I can persuade to make the hour plus drive up here.    But now that I have narrowed the problem down to front legs/ankles, don't know that she can do anything about that.    But it can't hurt to ask and hope she will be willing to try.

Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

Thank you to everyone for your suggestions.  Sorry no time to reply to each individually.
The main problem is not bloat; that was just my first thought.
It is her legs buckling.   When we get her up, she can stand and walk.
She is eating, pooping, alert.   No other obvious problems, except simply cannot get up on her own.
And while she is up for a variable length of time, her front legs buckle and down she goes.
She cannot move herself to eat, drink, or stand up to poop.  Temp was 103 yesterday.   Didn't take it today.

What I have observed today, as I had the luxury of being able to spend most of the day with her, is that her ankles are turning backwards on her.
She seems a little confused about walking, but does plod along, stumbling occ. not always going down.   Sometimes legs will start to buckle and she will be able to catch herself; other times not and down she goes.

As previously mentioned she has had this re-occurring "spasm" in a back leg for the past 2 yrs or so; but that is not what is going on now.   Now it is her front legs that are the problem.   Seems to be in her ankles.
I saw her take a step and when putting one foot down the ankle flopped backwards.  If she had put her foot all the way down the weight would have been on the front of the ankle.   I don't know how to describe it except that the ankle just flopped backwards in opposite position that it should have been to take a step.
When we lift her up she doesn't or can't seem to put her front legs down at first.  But then she does and she is standing.    Then walking around just fine.

I know she cannot go on like this.   I am not here all day every day to keep lifting her up.  Once she goes down she cannot get to food or water.   But even when I put water right in front of her I have not yet seen her take a drink at all.  Today I fed her her grain soaked with a lot of water to get some liquid in her and gave her several apples (all the alpacas love the apples falling off the tree right at their fence line).   She loves loves loves the apples.   I figured that would get some fluid in her.   This evening I let her out in the yard to graze hoping it would keep her entertained enough to keep her walking around for a while...and it did - for about 2 hrs.   When I went out for dinner feeding and moving them to night time positions, she was down right in front of the gate to go back into pasture.   I don't know if she just happened to go down there, or was ready to go back in and just went down where she wanted to be to wait for me.

So the problem is not bloat; it is something to do with her legs.   But came on so suddenly that I have to wonder what could have caused it - West Nile?  M-worm (it is not paralysis, but possibly neurological?).
Just grasping at straws for a cause and solution.
I know she cannot go on like this, but she is not sick, and certainly not on death's doorstep.  She just can't get herself around.

Janice in NW GA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

Robin, What was that a treatment for?bloat? Never heard if it.How does it help?Was that all you did for the sick animal? Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas

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My vet had us put a stick or a rope in her mouth and make her chew on it.   30 minutes  break for 1 hour  then another 30 minutes  we did that for  about 5hours and she seemed better.   We also then have to do it a few times the next day.    Worked well.

robin Vasquez

R & R Ranch

Gilroy, CA

 

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I suggest you try getting some activated charcoal into her.

Nathan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, jelizabethfarms1@... wrote:
>
> My sweet girl Allie, my first and favorite has been down since Fri
> night. She is 12 yrs old.
>
> After some time sitting with her, observing, massaging - she appeared/s
> quite bloated. Massaging her esophagus and her belly brought moans of
> pain/relief...and some release of gas and burping, belching. A lot of
> gut sounds, rumbling.
> She would shift uncomfortably occasionally. And was vigorously chewing
> her cud. I assume this was from pain.
> I couldn't tell if she was "rolling" as horses do with colic, or if she
> was trying to get up and couldn't.
>
> My 14yo and I (the only help I have) were finally able to get her on her
> feet around midnight, with a great deal of struggle, and she walked out
> of the barn to poop.
> Then walked over to the pasture where she spends the night.
> She seemed pretty ok - alert, pooping, etc.
> I thought it was gas and we managed to dispel it and all would be fine.
>
> Then Sat morning, same scenerio. laying in her poop, she couldn't get up.
> massaging her again, this time no gut sounds/rumbling.
>
> Gave her Banamine injection, and ivermectin injection, and some IV
> fluids as she was dehydrated. I notice she will eat but not drink.
>
> By rocking her (to get her off balance) we were once again able to get
> her on her feet.
> Once she is up she walks around and looks fine.
> Then she stumbles a bit; her front legs buckle and down she goes. But
> this has only happened when she has been down all night and is likely
> stiff. After about 30 min of this, she began to perk up (likely the
> Banamine). She stayed up walking around the woods most all day yesterday
> looking for sweet gum leaves to eat - her favorite snack.
>
> Was laying down by evening. Kushed, looking comfortable and
> alert....but not getting up.
> We were able to get her up - with great effort, for dinner and to walk
> around a bit.
> She was still up when I came in for the night.
>
> Same scene this morning; laying where she obviously has been all night,
> had pooped where she was laying. More massaging, more gut rumbles and
> moans. She tried several times to get up, but cannot get herself up
> without assistance.
> My dd and I have to get her up. Her front legs act like they do not
> know what to do to get her up. But then once she's up, they work fine.
> It was easier this morning to get her up....she helped a bit.
>
> She's up now and walking around, is eating and looking alert.
> Once she's up, she walks ok. Haven't seen her stumble and fall this
> morning (Sun).
> We will keep getting her up anytime we see her laying down too long in
> one spot.
>
> But I haven't a clue what might be the problem?? Or what to do, other
> than keep getting her up.
> Any ideas here; anyone ever seen this before; any suggestions?
>
> I have observed her twice in the past month fall and struggle to get
> back up. But she was able to get herself up.
> I feared something like this was coming :-(.
> For the past 2 years she has had intermittent problems with one of her
> back legs; like its gets a spasm (looks very much like what often
> happens to me!) and won't straighten out properly. She would use her
> toes to the ground to balance and sort of limp about on it for a short
> time, then all would be well. It only happened occasionally and I
> haven't noticed it in quite a while now.
> But this current problem seems to be her front legs that are the problem.
>
> Any input would be welcomed.
> I have no vet that will work with the alpacas, tho I have a vet that I
> can get meds from....as long as I can find out what to tell her we need.
> Thanks,
> Janice
>

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Good idea Nathan! Tina in Missouri

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I suggest you try getting some activated charcoal into her.

Nathan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, jelizabethfarms1@... wrote:
>
> My sweet girl Allie, my first and favorite has been down since Fri
> night. She is 12 yrs old.
>
> After some time sitting with her, observing, massaging - she appeared/s
> quite bloated. Massaging her esophagus and her belly brought moans of
> pain/relief...and some release of gas and burping, belching. A lot of
> gut sounds, rumbling.
> She would shift uncomfortably occasionally. And was vigorously chewing
> her cud. I assume this was from pain.
> I couldn't tell if she was "rolling" as horses do with colic, or if she
> was trying to get up and couldn't.
>
> My 14yo and I (the only help I have) were finally able to get her on her
> feet around midnight, with a great deal of struggle, and she walked out
> of the barn to poop.
> Then walked over to the pasture where she spends the night.
> She seemed pretty ok - alert, pooping, etc.
> I thought it was gas and we managed to dispel it and all would be fine.
>
> Then Sat morning, same scenerio. laying in her poop, she couldn't get up.
> massaging her again, this time no gut sounds/rumbling.
>
> Gave her Banamine injection, and ivermectin injection, and some IV
> fluids as she was dehydrated. I notice she will eat but not drink.
>
> By rocking her (to get her off balance) we were once again able to get
> her on her feet.
> Once she is up she walks around and looks fine.
> Then she stumbles a bit; her front legs buckle and down she goes. But
> this has only happened when she has been down all night and is likely
> stiff. After about 30 min of this, she began to perk up (likely the
> Banamine). She stayed up walking around the woods most all day yesterday
> looking for sweet gum leaves to eat - her favorite snack.
>
> Was laying down by evening. Kushed, looking comfortable and
> alert....but not getting up.
> We were able to get her up - with great effort, for dinner and to walk
> around a bit.
> She was still up when I came in for the night.
>
> Same scene this morning; laying where she obviously has been all night,
> had pooped where she was laying. More massaging, more gut rumbles and
> moans. She tried several times to get up, but cannot get herself up
> without assistance.
> My dd and I have to get her up. Her front legs act like they do not
> know what to do to get her up. But then once she's up, they work fine.
> It was easier this morning to get her up....she helped a bit.
>
> She's up now and walking around, is eating and looking alert.
> Once she's up, she walks ok. Haven't seen her stumble and fall this
> morning (Sun).
> We will keep getting her up anytime we see her laying down too long in
> one spot.
>
> But I haven't a clue what might be the problem?? Or what to do, other
> than keep getting her up.
> Any ideas here; anyone ever seen this before; any suggestions?
>
> I have observed her twice in the past month fall and struggle to get
> back up. But she was able to get herself up.
> I feared something like this was coming :-(.
> For the past 2 years she has had intermittent problems with one of her
> back legs; like its gets a spasm (looks very much like what often
> happens to me!) and won't straighten out properly. She would use her
> toes to the ground to balance and sort of limp about on it for a short
> time, then all would be well. It only happened occasionally and I
> haven't noticed it in quite a while now.
> But this current problem seems to be her front legs that are the problem.
>
> Any input would be welcomed.
> I have no vet that will work with the alpacas, tho I have a vet that I
> can get meds from....as long as I can find out what to tell her we need.
> Thanks,
> Janice
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

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From: "Nathan" <nathan@alpacaclassifiedsonline.com>
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:54:15 -0000
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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: alpaca down/can't rise

 

I suggest you try getting some activated charcoal into her.

Nathan

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, jelizabethfarms1@... wrote:
>
> My sweet girl Allie, my first and favorite has been down since Fri
> night. She is 12 yrs old.
>
> After some time sitting with her, observing, massaging - she appeared/s
> quite bloated. Massaging her esophagus and her belly brought moans of
> pain/relief...and some release of gas and burping, belching. A lot of
> gut sounds, rumbling.
> She would shift uncomfortably occasionally. And was vigorously chewing
> her cud. I assume this was from pain.
> I couldn't tell if she was "rolling" as horses do with colic, or if she
> was trying to get up and couldn't.
>
> My 14yo and I (the only help I have) were finally able to get her on her
> feet around midnight, with a great deal of struggle, and she walked out
> of the barn to poop.
> Then walked over to the pasture where she spends the night.
> She seemed pretty ok - alert, pooping, etc.
> I thought it was gas and we managed to dispel it and all would be fine.
>
> Then Sat morning, same scenerio. laying in her poop, she couldn't get up.
> massaging her again, this time no gut sounds/rumbling.
>
> Gave her Banamine injection, and ivermectin injection, and some IV
> fluids as she was dehydrated. I notice she will eat but not drink.
>
> By rocking her (to get her off balance) we were once again able to get
> her on her feet.
> Once she is up she walks around and looks fine.
> Then she stumbles a bit; her front legs buckle and down she goes. But
> this has only happened when she has been down all night and is likely
> stiff. After about 30 min of this, she began to perk up (likely the
> Banamine). She stayed up walking around the woods most all day yesterday
> looking for sweet gum leaves to eat - her favorite snack.
>
> Was laying down by evening. Kushed, looking comfortable and
> alert....but not getting up.
> We were able to get her up - with great effort, for dinner and to walk
> around a bit.
> She was still up when I came in for the night.
>
> Same scene this morning; laying where she obviously has been all night,
> had pooped where she was laying. More massaging, more gut rumbles and
> moans. She tried several times to get up, but cannot get herself up
> without assistance.
> My dd and I have to get her up. Her front legs act like they do not
> know what to do to get her up. But then once she's up, they work fine.
> It was easier this morning to get her up....she helped a bit.
>
> She's up now and walking around, is eating and looking alert.
> Once she's up, she walks ok. Haven't seen her stumble and fall this
> morning (Sun).
> We will keep getting her up anytime we see her laying down too long in
> one spot.
>
> But I haven't a clue what might be the problem?? Or what to do, other
> than keep getting her up.
> Any ideas here; anyone ever seen this before; any suggestions?
>
> I have observed her twice in the past month fall and struggle to get
> back up. But she was able to get herself up.
> I feared something like this was coming :-(.
> For the past 2 years she has had intermittent problems with one of her
> back legs; like its gets a spasm (looks very much like what often
> happens to me!) and won't straighten out properly. She would use her
> toes to the ground to balance and sort of limp about on it for a short
> time, then all would be well. It only happened occasionally and I
> haven't noticed it in quite a while now.
> But this current problem seems to be her front legs that are the problem.
>
> Any input would be welcomed.
> I have no vet that will work with the alpacas, tho I have a vet that I
> can get meds from....as long as I can find out what to tell her we need.
> Thanks,
> Janice
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca down/can't rise

 

I would be very cautious using oil with alpacas,not good for the rumen.Pepto is fine,baking soda with water,proibios all good.With goats you can leave a pan of baking soda out and they will eat it when they need it,and no more bloat! If you do not feed corn or corn based feeds to the goats it will help stop bloat issues.Alpacas and goats need forage not feed/grains.Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas 636-456-4838

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Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca down/can't rise

 

I've never had bloat in an alpaca, but when my sheep bloat, I treat them with about 15 cc of pepto bismal and 10 ccs of vegetable oil.  It has worked for me every time.
 
Susan

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Judith Korff <judithkorff@gmail.com> wrote:
 

My vet has always prescribed a dose of baking soda/water for bloat, and it's always worked for us.  However, this seems to be a recurring problem so bloat may simply be a secondary symptom to whatever else is going on.  Have there been any other animals in the herd who are displaying any unusual symptoms (loose or green feces, lethargy, etc.)?  I second the advice others have given to have fecals run and explore other possibilities, including chiropracty for her legs if necessary.  Banamine would help any swelling that might be involved (say in the leg joints).  However, it sounds to me as though there is more going on at this point than simply some arthritic changes or whatever might affect an ability to cush or rise.  


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM, <jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
 

My sweet girl Allie, my first and favorite has been down since Fri night.  She is 12 yrs old.

After some time sitting with her, observing, massaging - she appeared/s quite bloated.  Massaging her esophagus and her belly brought moans of pain/relief...and some release of gas and burping, belching.   A lot of gut sounds, rumbling.
She would shift uncomfortably occasionally.  And was vigorously chewing her cud.   I assume this was from pain.
I couldn't tell if she was "rolling" as horses do with colic, or if she was trying to get up and couldn't.

My 14yo and I (the only help I have) were finally able to get her on her feet around midnight, with a great deal of struggle, and she walked out of the barn to poop.
Then walked over to the pasture where she spends the night.
She seemed pretty ok - alert, pooping, etc.
I thought it was gas and we managed to dispel it and all would be fine.
 
Then Sat morning, same scenerio.   laying in her poop, she couldn't get up.
massaging her again, this time no gut sounds/rumbling.

Gave her Banamine injection, and ivermectin injection, and some IV fluids as she was dehydrated.   I notice she will eat but not drink. 

By rocking her (to get her off balance) we were once again able to get her on her feet.
Once she is up she walks around and looks fine.
Then she stumbles a bit; her front legs buckle and down she goes.   But this has only happened when she has been down all night and is likely stiff.  After about 30 min of this, she began to perk up (likely the Banamine).  She stayed up walking around the woods most all day yesterday looking for sweet gum leaves to eat - her favorite snack.

Was laying down by evening.  Kushed, looking comfortable and alert....but not getting up.
We were able to get her up - with great effort, for dinner and to walk around a bit.
She was still up when I came in for the night.

Same scene this morning; laying where she obviously has been all night, had pooped where she was laying.    More massaging, more gut rumbles and moans.    She tried several times to get up, but cannot get herself up without assistance.
My dd and I have to get her up.   Her front legs act like they do not know what to do to get her up.  But then once she's up, they work fine.  It was easier this morning to get her up....she helped a bit.

She's up now and walking around, is eating and looking alert.
Once she's up, she walks ok.   Haven't seen her stumble and fall this morning (Sun).
We will keep getting her up anytime we see her laying down too long in one spot.

But I haven't a clue what might be the problem??  Or what to do, other than keep getting her up.
Any ideas here; anyone ever seen this before; any suggestions?

I have observed her twice in the past month fall and struggle to get back up.  But she was able to get herself up.
I feared something like this was coming :-(.
For the past 2 years she has had intermittent problems with one of her back legs; like its gets a spasm (looks very much like what often happens to me!) and won't straighten out properly.   She would use her toes to the ground to balance and sort of limp about on it for a short time, then all would be well.   It only happened occasionally and I haven't noticed it in quite a while now.
But this current problem seems to be her front legs that are the problem.

Any input would be welcomed.
I have no vet that will work with the alpacas, tho I have a vet that I can get meds from....as long as I can find out what to tell her we need.
Thanks,
Janice




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Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Steamburg,  New York
(716) 499-0383
Suri: Silk Without the Worm
www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp


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