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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: what can you do to help

I will be out all next week for an IT seminar in Vegas. Please give me a
call sometime after that and we can chat.

Peter Lundberg
Elderberry Creek Alpacas
"It's The Fiber That Makes Us Better"
10868 Siegmund Rd SE
Stayton, OR 97383

503-769-9466

>From: KathyDV <kathy@kathydv.com>
>Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: what can you do to help
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:12:12 -0500
>
>We HAVE a national co-op that REALLY needs the help of high-energy,
>interested people like YOU, PLEASE contact an y of us on the Board of
>the Co-op about how you can help. I could put you to work TODAY with
>all those fabulous ideas you have!!!!! Give me your phone number and
>I will call you and we can chat :-D
>
>KathyDV
>
>
>BOD AFCNA - Support your co-op - ask me how!
>Jackpot! Alpacas...think outside the barn!
>
>
>Re: what can you do to help
>Posted by: "Vanessa" britknits@yahoo.com britknits
>Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:13 pm (PST)
>
>OK, so I have just joined this group and have been diligently trying
>to get online and read what I can.
>
>I applaud all of you that are trying. Don't you each feel like a
>small fish in a big pond? I know sometimes I do. I consider myself
>quite entrepeneurial when it comes to marketing my products. I have
>had a website for the past four years, have done postcard mailings
>and tried brochures and art shows. I cannot say that any one thing
>really worked. I am frustrated that I have almost acquired carpal
>tunnel syndrome by spending the past three years crocheting up my
>alpaca yarn, having them professionally photographed, participated in
>an alpaca fashion show only to get ZERO response from the public!
>
>I agree with all of you responding to this question. We need to band
>together to get the word out that alpaca is a wonderful fiber with
>many uses. How about starting at the state level and each state
>affiliate start a fiber co-op. I know one alpaca breeder I spoke
>with has 2500 pounds of fiber sitting in his barn because he hasn't
>been able to strike up the "right" deal with any of the mills to
>process his fiber and make product for him at a reasonable price. I
>know there are more and more of these type of breeders out there
>too. A mill owner told me that he had approached some of the "big"
>(animal wise) breeders to see if he can make a deal with them on
>their fiber (that they do nothing with). Oh they wanted it all
>processed and returned, at no cost, and nothing to the mill owner!
>That's going to get us far folks!
>
>If we each talk one on one with other alpaca breeders who have no
>interest in utilizing their fiber for full vertical integration on
>their farm we can then maybe branch out and get into cottage
>industries, finding spinners to work for us. I am purchasing one
>farms fiber for $3.50 per lb, that is all her fiber blanket and
>seconds. This year she gave me 1/2 of her fleece but I have to
>return 1/2 of it as yarn to her, that was my suggestion. I realized
>that as a sole spinner I could not possibly do her 40 fleeces next
>year and my 20! It's a start for me and I'm having trouble here in
>Texas finding any fiber shows. I thought I'd try doing some higher
>end craft shows selling my fiber and yarns to 1. make money and 2.
>educate the public. I would also be getting awareness of my farm out
>to them also.
>
>It's a long haul for us smaller farms to make an impact on the
>fashion scene. We need to band together either with product, or with
>the fleece. I agree that there is no such thing as waste with the
>fiber but the sorting, skirting and cleaning takes many backbreaking
>hours, I know!
>
>If someone is willing to take the helm and find some others to help
>start up some type of co-op then in time we could take it further
>(like a franchise) and offer help to others in different areas so
>they wouldn't have to go through all the negativism and pitfalls
>before gaining success.
>
>We all got into this business mainly because we love the alpacas. I
>thought it might be a way to build a pension fund. Well the pension
>fund is short coming as I've had 90% boys for the past 5 years. I
>decided this year that I needed to get more serious in the fiber
>aspect of this business and have been working hard all year getting
>my inventory built up.
>
>I'd love to hear what other people feel about this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AlpacaTalk] fertilizing pastures

Ok Heather,

What do you use other than water to keep your grass growing. I was a
professional landscaper in my former life and used many tons of fertilizer.
What I do now is to lightly fertilize, water it in, wait 3-4 days and water
again. The initial watering takes the fertilizer (if light enough and
souble enough), dissolves it and gets it down to the roots of the grass.
The second watering enables the grass to utilize the fertilizer without
burning. I typically have 3-4 waterings and 15-20 days post-fertilizer
before returning my alpaca to a given pasture. To date(and I hope always) I
have had no abortions whatsoever.

I'm open to any suggestions you have for the health of our pastures and
alpaca.
:)

Peter Lundberg
Elderberry Creek Alpacas
It's the Fiber That Makes Us Better"
Stayton, OR 97383

ElderberryCreekAlpacas.com


>From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
>Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AlpacaTalk] fertilizing pastures
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:46:40 -0700
>
>Hello all,
>I just saw a post on another "discussion" group regarding fertilizing
>pastures with chemical fertilizers. The illustrious moderator has
>deemed my posts unfit for publishing, so I'll post my reply here.
>
>Chemical fertilizers are dangerous and toxic. Here's a link to one of
>many web pages on the subject of nitrate/nitrite poisoning in
>livestock:
>http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/livestoc/v839w.htm
> > Pregnant females that survive nitrate poisoning may abort due to lack
> > of oxygen to the fetus. Abortions generally occur approximately 10-14
> > days following exposure to nitrates.
>
>And, here's a first had report of how dangerous fertilizers are. We had
>to agist our herd a few years ago while fences at our current property
>were being completed. The owners felt it necessary to fertilize the
>pastures so they removed the animals from the fields, fertilized, then
>put our aninals back in those pastures a week later. They did not water
>it in, nor did it rain in that week. Our animals had burnt pads from
>walking on the fertilizer pellets. We had one dam abort a cria at 11
>months gestation. A female grey. We had many 1st trimester abortions.
>Yes, 10-14 days after our alpacas were returned to those fertilized
>pastures. They had burned bellies in addition to the burnt foot pads.
>
>Please don't use chemical fertilizers on your pastures. Not only do you
>put your animals at risk of abortion and death to the adults, but
>chemical fertilizers are toxic to the soil microflora and fauna. It
>will kill your soil making it incapable of supporting any pasture
>forage.
>Heather
>
>Heather Zeleny
>West Wind Alpacas
>Eugene, OR
>
>Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
>Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
>Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
>http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
>http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
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[AlpacaTalk] fertilizing pastures

Hello all,
I just saw a post on another "discussion" group regarding fertilizing
pastures with chemical fertilizers. The illustrious moderator has
deemed my posts unfit for publishing, so I'll post my reply here.

Chemical fertilizers are dangerous and toxic. Here's a link to one of
many web pages on the subject of nitrate/nitrite poisoning in
livestock:
http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/livestoc/v839w.htm
> Pregnant females that survive nitrate poisoning may abort due to lack
> of oxygen to the fetus. Abortions generally occur approximately 10-14
> days following exposure to nitrates.

And, here's a first had report of how dangerous fertilizers are. We had
to agist our herd a few years ago while fences at our current property
were being completed. The owners felt it necessary to fertilize the
pastures so they removed the animals from the fields, fertilized, then
put our aninals back in those pastures a week later. They did not water
it in, nor did it rain in that week. Our animals had burnt pads from
walking on the fertilizer pellets. We had one dam abort a cria at 11
months gestation. A female grey. We had many 1st trimester abortions.
Yes, 10-14 days after our alpacas were returned to those fertilized
pastures. They had burned bellies in addition to the burnt foot pads.

Please don't use chemical fertilizers on your pastures. Not only do you
put your animals at risk of abortion and death to the adults, but
chemical fertilizers are toxic to the soil microflora and fauna. It
will kill your soil making it incapable of supporting any pasture
forage.
Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: what can you do to help

We HAVE a national co-op that REALLY needs the help of high-energy,
interested people like YOU, PLEASE contact an y of us on the Board of
the Co-op about how you can help. I could put you to work TODAY with
all those fabulous ideas you have!!!!! Give me your phone number and
I will call you and we can chat :-D

KathyDV

BOD AFCNA - Support your co-op - ask me how!
Jackpot! Alpacas...think outside the barn!

Re: what can you do to help
Posted by: "Vanessa" britknits@yahoo.com britknits
Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:13 pm (PST)

OK, so I have just joined this group and have been diligently trying
to get online and read what I can.

I applaud all of you that are trying. Don't you each feel like a
small fish in a big pond? I know sometimes I do. I consider myself
quite entrepeneurial when it comes to marketing my products. I have
had a website for the past four years, have done postcard mailings
and tried brochures and art shows. I cannot say that any one thing
really worked. I am frustrated that I have almost acquired carpal
tunnel syndrome by spending the past three years crocheting up my
alpaca yarn, having them professionally photographed, participated in
an alpaca fashion show only to get ZERO response from the public!

I agree with all of you responding to this question. We need to band
together to get the word out that alpaca is a wonderful fiber with
many uses. How about starting at the state level and each state
affiliate start a fiber co-op. I know one alpaca breeder I spoke
with has 2500 pounds of fiber sitting in his barn because he hasn't
been able to strike up the "right" deal with any of the mills to
process his fiber and make product for him at a reasonable price. I
know there are more and more of these type of breeders out there
too. A mill owner told me that he had approached some of the "big"
(animal wise) breeders to see if he can make a deal with them on
their fiber (that they do nothing with). Oh they wanted it all
processed and returned, at no cost, and nothing to the mill owner!
That's going to get us far folks!

If we each talk one on one with other alpaca breeders who have no
interest in utilizing their fiber for full vertical integration on
their farm we can then maybe branch out and get into cottage
industries, finding spinners to work for us. I am purchasing one
farms fiber for $3.50 per lb, that is all her fiber blanket and
seconds. This year she gave me 1/2 of her fleece but I have to
return 1/2 of it as yarn to her, that was my suggestion. I realized
that as a sole spinner I could not possibly do her 40 fleeces next
year and my 20! It's a start for me and I'm having trouble here in
Texas finding any fiber shows. I thought I'd try doing some higher
end craft shows selling my fiber and yarns to 1. make money and 2.
educate the public. I would also be getting awareness of my farm out
to them also.

It's a long haul for us smaller farms to make an impact on the
fashion scene. We need to band together either with product, or with
the fleece. I agree that there is no such thing as waste with the
fiber but the sorting, skirting and cleaning takes many backbreaking
hours, I know!

If someone is willing to take the helm and find some others to help
start up some type of co-op then in time we could take it further
(like a franchise) and offer help to others in different areas so
they wouldn't have to go through all the negativism and pitfalls
before gaining success.

We all got into this business mainly because we love the alpacas. I
thought it might be a way to build a pension fund. Well the pension
fund is short coming as I've had 90% boys for the past 5 years. I
decided this year that I needed to get more serious in the fiber
aspect of this business and have been working hard all year getting
my inventory built up.

I'd love to hear what other people feel about this.

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: what can you do to help

Hi Vanessa,
You will find many ideas about this. I'm a little short of time at the
moment because of a wee-long seminar next week. Just a quick note: Please
note your location at the bottom of your email; it really heps.

Peter

Elderberry Creek Alpacas
Stayton, OR

>From: "Vanessa" <britknits@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: what can you do to help
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:13:07 -0000
>
>OK, so I have just joined this group and have been diligently trying
>to get online and read what I can.
>
>I applaud all of you that are trying. Don't you each feel like a
>small fish in a big pond? I know sometimes I do. I consider myself
>quite entrepeneurial when it comes to marketing my products. I have
>had a website for the past four years, have done postcard mailings
>and tried brochures and art shows. I cannot say that any one thing
>really worked. I am frustrated that I have almost acquired carpal
>tunnel syndrome by spending the past three years crocheting up my
>alpaca yarn, having them professionally photographed, participated in
>an alpaca fashion show only to get ZERO response from the public!
>
>I agree with all of you responding to this question. We need to band
>together to get the word out that alpaca is a wonderful fiber with
>many uses. How about starting at the state level and each state
>affiliate start a fiber co-op. I know one alpaca breeder I spoke
>with has 2500 pounds of fiber sitting in his barn because he hasn't
>been able to strike up the "right" deal with any of the mills to
>process his fiber and make product for him at a reasonable price. I
>know there are more and more of these type of breeders out there
>too. A mill owner told me that he had approached some of the "big"
>(animal wise) breeders to see if he can make a deal with them on
>their fiber (that they do nothing with). Oh they wanted it all
>processed and returned, at no cost, and nothing to the mill owner!
>That's going to get us far folks!
>
>If we each talk one on one with other alpaca breeders who have no
>interest in utilizing their fiber for full vertical integration on
>their farm we can then maybe branch out and get into cottage
>industries, finding spinners to work for us. I am purchasing one
>farms fiber for $3.50 per lb, that is all her fiber blanket and
>seconds. This year she gave me 1/2 of her fleece but I have to
>return 1/2 of it as yarn to her, that was my suggestion. I realized
>that as a sole spinner I could not possibly do her 40 fleeces next
>year and my 20! It's a start for me and I'm having trouble here in
>Texas finding any fiber shows. I thought I'd try doing some higher
>end craft shows selling my fiber and yarns to 1. make money and 2.
>educate the public. I would also be getting awareness of my farm out
>to them also.
>
>It's a long haul for us smaller farms to make an impact on the
>fashion scene. We need to band together either with product, or with
>the fleece. I agree that there is no such thing as waste with the
>fiber but the sorting, skirting and cleaning takes many backbreaking
>hours, I know!
>
>If someone is willing to take the helm and find some others to help
>start up some type of co-op then in time we could take it further
>(like a franchise) and offer help to others in different areas so
>they wouldn't have to go through all the negativism and pitfalls
>before gaining success.
>
>We all got into this business mainly because we love the alpacas. I
>thought it might be a way to build a pension fund. Well the pension
>fund is short coming as I've had 90% boys for the past 5 years. I
>decided this year that I needed to get more serious in the fiber
>aspect of this business and have been working hard all year getting
>my inventory built up.
>
>I'd love to hear what other people feel about this.
>
>
>

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