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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 


When bagging fiber and sucking the air out of the bag, I simply used a shopvac with a knee high hose pulled over the end of it. That keeps the fiber from being sucked up. It helps to tape the kneehigh onto the vacuum hose to keep it from accidentally getting sucked up too.

Laurel

The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
Springfield, Ohio
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

Actually, I had the impression that Elwin was part of Ga Mtn Fiber. Is it a co-op? I thought that he was one of the founding members. I wish they had some "about us" info like that on their site.


Heather


On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:50 AM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

<<< Elwin Bagley has a mini-mill, I believe. He's in Ga. I don't know
what his rates are or actually anything else. I think he has a
Bolivian grey sire, and it's a shame he's across the country from me! :)

Heather>>>

do you have contact info for him? I am also in GA - NW. Where in GA 
are you Elaine?
Janice


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble

 

Ken,
Please go to the following link for Sub-Q info and the location of where they are administered. http://www.owning-alpaca.com/injection-technique.html
 
Some owners will deworm the herd every 21-24 days, while others are dewormed once a year. I would recommend discussing this with a vet that has some farming/cattle experience. You might consider contacting other alpaca farms in your area if you have any about the type of deworming program that they follow and what they use. Just go to http://www.alpacanation.com/default.aspx to find farms in your state/area. I say this because it will vary depending on your specific area, climate, and amount of deer in the area. Generally Ivermectin, Dectomax, Synathic, and Valbazen are used since they are a third generation wormer and are also larvacidal. I can only find the Ivermectin where I live, and others are purchased from the vet and they may have recommendations for your area. This again will vary, so please check your local farming supply store and vets. This information comes from the Alpaca Field Manual by C. Norman Evans, D.V.M. I would be more than happy to send you the information that I have. This is from the same book that I sent you information about Basic Care and Pasture & Hay. Let us know if we can be of further help or you would like info sent. I would recommend contacting a vet for Coco. Many are more than willing to work out payments and they are very understanding. Best of luck.
 
Susan Kruger
Oak Hill Alpacas
Illinois
 


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Ken <bushwacker37@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken <bushwacker37@hotmail.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:17 PM

 
Thank you all for the advise. No real change in Coco, he is eating well and mobile, still leans and holds his head to the left.

I do not have a vet that is alpaca knowledgable. And worse yet, two weeks ago I joined the ranks of unemployed. My x-company saw fit to lay me off only after working me six weeks without pay and dening two weeks vacation pay as well. So financially I am unable to pay a vet for a farm visit. I will look for a source for the Banamine and Thiamine. And will start them on the pelleted Safeguard I bought. I have a reusable needle to draw the Ivomec from the bottle, so I guess tonight I will get them into the shearing stall I built.

My questions are:
What does "Sub-Q" mean ?
Where are the shots administered ?
Do I understand correctly that you give the entire herd a shot once a month year round ? My animals are even less trusting ever since I sheared them ! They may not even come for feed if I start sticking them with a neede once a month !

As to leaving the haulters on... They are loose fit and I watch the area for issues. However, getting a hold of any of my animals is impossible unless I get a hand on the halter. A neck hold mean they drag me away. They were wild when I got them and are just now willing to eat from my hand if approached carefully. But petting them is a rare and fleeting treat.

Ken

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Ken:
> The protocol for treating M-worm is oral safeguard, injected banamine, thiamine, and Ohio State also gave my girl (last year) an antibiotic. Note that I said that is the TREATMENT. Please call your vet since I am not a vet or even a tech. Oral ivomec will do nothing in any situation that I am aware of. PREVENTION is carried out using sub-q ivomec on a monthly basis of anywhere between about 1 cc per 80-100 lbs. Please note there is a big difference between treatment and prevention. Ivomec does not cross what is called the blood brain barrier so that it does not work once the m-worm has found it's way to anywhere near the brain or spinal cord. However, while the worm is still migrating from the gut to the brain, it does work. Hence, it is prevention. I would dose the other alpacas (and even this one) with ivomec. The one that's all funky I'd immediately give safeguard to at least at the rate of 1cc per 10 lbs......again, I am not a vet and urge you to contact someone who is qualified to make a good diagnosis and give you the latest info on treatment. the kind of symptoms you outline I imagine could also be an injury or other things, but I doubt that safeguard or ivomec would cause any harm. Even banamine and thiamine are fairly safe drugs if given at the proper dosage, but it sounds like this guy needs a look see by a vet.
>
> Good luck with him and let us know how he gets on.
>
> Susan


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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

Morgan,
 
Use an old knee high stocking over the end of the vacuum hose .  Be sure to seal (tape or plastic tie) the twisted bag end very  carefully.  If the seal allows air in, the fiber will expand to the volume of the bag it is in.
 
If you then "box" the fiber for shipping, based on it's compressed size, be sure to carefully seal or tape the box seams.  I've had the boxes expand (read explode) to the point of breaking the tape used to seal the box and trust me, you don't want to start the whole procedure over at that point.
 
Bruce
La Buena Vida Alpacas
Anthony, NM
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:22:01 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, faileflys@yahoo.com writes:
How did you suck all the air out of the bag without vacuuming up the fiber?

Sorry for the dumb question...

Morgen

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Elaine" <elaine@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Janice,
>

>
>  I am in the Athens area.  I found Elwin Bagley's web site, and I could not
> see anything on there about processing, although it looked like a very nice
> farm, and I would be interested in visiting.  I went ahead and sent my fiber
> to Georgia Mountain Fiber, they are in Blue Ridge.  Someone on here
> recommended them, and then someone I happened to talk with on the phone
> yesterday also gave them a very high recommendation. 
>

>
> I was amazed at how much fiber fits in a box.  I sucked all of the air out
> of the bags with a vacuum cleaner.  It was fun.  I put all of my seconds
> together in one bag, so that will be interesting to see what that looks like
> when it comes back.
>

>
> Elaine in Ga
>

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of houckj@...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions
>

>
>  
>
> <<< Elwin Bagley has a mini-mill, I believe. He's in Ga. I don't know
> what his rates are or actually anything else. I think he has a
> Bolivian grey sire, and it's a shame he's across the country from me! :)
>
> Heather>>>
>
> do you have contact info for him? I am also in GA - NW. Where in GA
> are you Elaine?
> Janice
>




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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble

 

Ken, Sub-Q means subcutaneous - under the skin as opposed to in the muscle. You can give the injections wherever you can find a loose area of skin - usually around the neck or shoulder.  Loose halters are almost worse than snug ones.  They can slip down onto the nose and cut off breathing; they can get caught on things and strangle the wearer, and animals can get their feet stuck in them trying to scratch an itch on the face.  Try using a lead around the top of the neck to steady them while you halter them.  You  may need to set up a handling area where you can drive them into a small pen so you an catch and handle them more easily (look at how Premier displays the chutes and gate system they sell for sheep farms - www.premier1supplies.com)  You can do this with stacked bales of hay or straw, moveable panels or an other resource you might have available; doesn't have to look as good as theirs as long as it facilitates your catching and handling them.
 
If you are in M-worm territory (anywhere that white tail deer flourish) you should be injecting Ivomec monthly. Most people do so year-round.  Yes, they hate it and so do we, but it's important to protect them.

 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
 



From: Ken <bushwacker37@hotmail.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble

 

Thank you all for the advise. No real change in Coco, he is eating well and mobile, still leans and holds his head to the left.

I do not have a vet that is alpaca knowledgable. And worse yet, two weeks ago I joined the ranks of unemployed. My x-company saw fit to lay me off only after working me six weeks without pay and dening two weeks vacation pay as well. So financially I am unable to pay a vet for a farm visit. I will look for a source for the Banamine and Thiamine. And will start them on the pelleted Safeguard I bought. I have a reusable needle to draw the Ivomec from the bottle, so I guess tonight I will get them into the shearing stall I built.

My questions are:
What does "Sub-Q" mean ?
Where are the shots administered ?
Do I understand correctly that you give the entire herd a shot once a month year round ? My animals are even less trusting ever since I sheared them ! They may not even come for feed if I start sticking them with a neede once a month !

As to leaving the haulters on... They are loose fit and I watch the area for issues. However, getting a hold of any of my animals is impossible unless I get a hand on the halter. A neck hold mean they drag me away. They were wild when I got them and are just now willing to eat from my hand if approached carefully. But petting them is a rare and fleeting treat.

Ken

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Ken:
> The protocol for treating M-worm is oral safeguard, injected banamine, thiamine, and Ohio State also gave my girl (last year) an antibiotic. Note that I said that is the TREATMENT. Please call your vet since I am not a vet or even a tech. Oral ivomec will do nothing in any situation that I am aware of. PREVENTION is carried out using sub-q ivomec on a monthly basis of anywhere between about 1 cc per 80-100 lbs. Please note there is a big difference between treatment and prevention. Ivomec does not cross what is called the blood brain barrier so that it does not work once the m-worm has found it's way to anywhere near the brain or spinal cord. However, while the worm is still migrating from the gut to the brain, it does work. Hence, it is prevention. I would dose the other alpacas (and even this one) with ivomec. The one that's all funky I'd immediately give safeguard to at least at the rate of 1cc per 10 lbs......again, I am not a vet and urge you to contact someone who is qualified to make a good diagnosis and give you the latest info on treatment. the kind of symptoms you outline I imagine could also be an injury or other things, but I doubt that safeguard or ivomec would cause any harm. Even banamine and thiamine are fairly safe drugs if given at the proper dosage, but it sounds like this guy needs a look see by a vet.
>
> Good luck with him and let us know how he gets on.
>
> Susan

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Male alpaca in trouble

 

Thank you all for the advise. No real change in Coco, he is eating well and mobile, still leans and holds his head to the left.

I do not have a vet that is alpaca knowledgable. And worse yet, two weeks ago I joined the ranks of unemployed. My x-company saw fit to lay me off only after working me six weeks without pay and dening two weeks vacation pay as well. So financially I am unable to pay a vet for a farm visit. I will look for a source for the Banamine and Thiamine. And will start them on the pelleted Safeguard I bought. I have a reusable needle to draw the Ivomec from the bottle, so I guess tonight I will get them into the shearing stall I built.

My questions are:
What does "Sub-Q" mean ?
Where are the shots administered ?
Do I understand correctly that you give the entire herd a shot once a month year round ? My animals are even less trusting ever since I sheared them ! They may not even come for feed if I start sticking them with a neede once a month !

As to leaving the haulters on... They are loose fit and I watch the area for issues. However, getting a hold of any of my animals is impossible unless I get a hand on the halter. A neck hold mean they drag me away. They were wild when I got them and are just now willing to eat from my hand if approached carefully. But petting them is a rare and fleeting treat.

Ken

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Ken:
> The protocol for treating M-worm is oral safeguard, injected banamine, thiamine, and Ohio State also gave my girl (last year) an antibiotic. Note that I said that is the TREATMENT. Please call your vet since I am not a vet or even a tech. Oral ivomec will do nothing in any situation that I am aware of. PREVENTION is carried out using sub-q ivomec on a monthly basis of anywhere between about 1 cc per 80-100 lbs. Please note there is a big difference between treatment and prevention. Ivomec does not cross what is called the blood brain barrier so that it does not work once the m-worm has found it's way to anywhere near the brain or spinal cord. However, while the worm is still migrating from the gut to the brain, it does work. Hence, it is prevention. I would dose the other alpacas (and even this one) with ivomec. The one that's all funky I'd immediately give safeguard to at least at the rate of 1cc per 10 lbs......again, I am not a vet and urge you to contact someone who is qualified to make a good diagnosis and give you the latest info on treatment. the kind of symptoms you outline I imagine could also be an injury or other things, but I doubt that safeguard or ivomec would cause any harm. Even banamine and thiamine are fairly safe drugs if given at the proper dosage, but it sounds like this guy needs a look see by a vet.
>
> Good luck with him and let us know how he gets on.
>
> Susan

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: female acting funny/worming

 

not a problem giving her the ivomec....do it.    
 
I would also expose her to your male and check her behavior.    Then you'll know if she's even pregnant.    The behavior you described could also have just been a belly ache.    Behavior test her and you'll have a better idea of what's going on.
 
If she spits off check her again in about 5 days.     If she spits off both times, she's probably pregnant and I'd wait till she delivers to give safeguard.    Is her cria from last year still nursing?    Are you certain she's not sneaking?     If she's nursing and the dam is pregnant again, you'll need to separate them immediately so that the new cria will get colostrum when it's born.
 
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: female acting "funny"

 

I hope all is well with your girl but it might be worth it to have her checked for a torsion or a possible breach this appears to be too close to her due day for it to be something you should blow-off. - Which I know you are not.- On the good side the cria may have been turning making ready for an exit. Keep checking her Temperature and making sure she is Drinking and Eatting but most of all do what you are doing -> watching for signs that she is "Just a little, Off."

You said the male was taken out of the field last December -- When was he put in?
She could be one of the early breedings .

Good luck.
Blackpearlfarm

D. McLauglin
Black Pearl Farm
Colbert, WA


--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, houckj@... wrote:
>
> She seems fine now but night before last she would not eat her dinner
> and was getting up and down, up and down, turning around, and laying
> back down again. I got the halter and walked her to the barn. Temp
> 100.5. I offered food while I was taking temp and she ate, and then
> more. I kept her in the barn that night so I could check on her thru
> out the night. I was not expecting a baby, but I have been surprised
> before. There was several accidental mating mid Jan (cria born end of
> Dec), so I didn't see any way she could be in labor unless it was a
> premmie :-(. She was fine by the next day (yesterday) and has been
> acting totally normal since.
> Any thoughts? It is not like her at all to not eat, so that was
> worrisome. I was very happy that she did eventually eat that night.
> the getting up and down was repetitive and unusual.
> I have never actually seen any of mine in labor, so I don't know what it
> looks like. I just all of a sudden see a baby on the ground. But since
> my male has been separated from the girls since last Dec I have a better
> idea than ever before of possible deliveries. Maybe it was false labor
> pains? *If* preggie she is getting close. I don't really want a winter
> baby, but will be thrilled to have a baby any time!
> Janice
>

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[AlpacaTalk] First things First Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

If you want a Quality finished product then: Before you send any fiber to get it processed You Have GOT TO SKIRT IT.

I have herd too many people blame the processor for "ruining" their "beautiful fleece", when the truth was they had sent in a fleece that did not have it's Prime separated from it's Seconds and that included all the nasty clean-up second cuts and that still had all of the field debris in it.

Take the time to properly skirt your fleece and you will have the thrill of a lifetime when you get your finished product back.

Talk to a breeder in your area who has won a few Ribbons at Fleece Shows explain what you need to learn and I have no doubt you will get an excellent tutorial.

Best of luck - been there done that.
Still am doing my own skirting and boy it can be a dirty job but SO worth it.
Blackpearlfarm

D. McLaughlin
Black Pearl Farm
Colbert, WA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Elaine" <elaine@...> wrote:
>
> I have the fiber of 3 alpacas that I need to have washed and carded. I am
> not sure how to find someone who does this. This is my first year with
> these guys, and I know I can wash and card this myself, and I have been
> going to since spring. I have to face it, if it is not done by now, it is
> never going to happen, so I would be better to pay someone to do this for
> me.
>
>
>
> I would appreciate any recommendations, or suggestions.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Elaine in Ga.
>

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

Morgen,

 

I just gathered the top of the bag to fit around the vacuum hose then held tight, and had my son turn it on when I was ready.  When the air was all out, I just twisted the bag closed real fast.  It works the same as the bags made for doing that, but I didn’t have any of those bags, so I worked with what I had.  The fiber didn’t get in the vacuum at all, I guess it likes to stick together.

 

Elaine

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dreamwoodalpacas
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:52 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

 

How did you suck all the air out of the bag without vacuuming up the fiber?

Sorry for the dumb question...

Morgen

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Elaine" <elaine@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Janice,
>
>
>
> I am in the Athens area. I found Elwin Bagley's web site, and I could not
> see anything on there about processing, although it looked like a very nice
> farm, and I would be interested in visiting. I went ahead and sent my fiber
> to Georgia Mountain Fiber, they are in Blue Ridge. Someone on here
> recommended them, and then someone I happened to talk with on the phone
> yesterday also gave them a very high recommendation.
>
>
>
> I was amazed at how much fiber fits in a box. I sucked all of the air out
> of the bags with a vacuum cleaner. It was fun. I put all of my seconds
> together in one bag, so that will be interesting to see what that looks like
> when it comes back.
>
>
>
> Elaine in Ga
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of houckj@...
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:51 AM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions
>
>
>
>
>
> <<< Elwin Bagley has a mini-mill, I believe. He's in Ga. I don't know
> what his rates are or actually anything else. I think he has a
> Bolivian grey sire, and it's a shame he's across the country from me! :)
>
> Heather>>>
>
> do you have contact info for him? I am also in GA - NW. Where in GA
> are you Elaine?
> Janice
>

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

Hi,

            I am not Janice, but there are special storage bags you can use to remove the air with a vacuum- (Space bags?) but, if you don’t have them, you can just lay on top of it until all the air is out and then seal it.  Use a giant ziplock bag if you can. 

            I used to send my son to Boy Scout camp with one day of clothing in a gallon ziplock- with all the air squished out.  It worked out very well because he could put any wet dirty clothes in the bag for that day. I also store bedspreads and blankets in the space bags. 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 


From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dreamwoodalpacas
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:52 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: need to have fiber processed, need suggestions

 

 

How did you suck all the air out of the bag without vacuuming up the fiber?

Sorry for the dumb question...

Morgen

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