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Tuesday, February 10, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] Alpaca Research Foundation Super Stud Raffle!!

Hi everyone,
It's the most wonderful time of the year!!! No, not Christmas, the Alpaca Research Foundation's Super Stud Raffle!!!

This year's studs are legendary!

Suri- Accoyo Montoyo!!!
Accoyo Montoyo is one of the most significant Suri herd sires in the United States. He has been a huge presence in the show ring and his genetics are in great demand. Judges consistently recognized Montoyo's typey head, presence, lock organization, and density. Since then, they have echoed this same praise in rings nationwide in appreciation of his offspring. Montoyo's ability to replicate his positive qualities is paramount to his success- and he is truly successful. Our assessment of his offspring has been validated by judges at highly competitive shows. Fifty percent of his offspring have been shown, earning 130 awards, including 77 Grand, Reserve, 1st and 2nds. Of Montoyo's offspring, 100% are Suri, 46% are colored, 25% are darker than their dams, and 16% are colored out of white dams. Ten of the ultra-rare fawn full Accoyos in the U.S. are out of Montoyo. His genetics are powerful and he will move your breeding program quickly in the right direction.

Huacaya- 3Peruvian Royal Fawn!!!
Some would argue that no other alpaca in the country has had as much impact on the industry as PPPeruvian Royal Fawn. He is a full Accoyo male with a history of passing on his fine-fibered genetics to his 336 offspring. Consistent show winners and high sellers, his progeny boast 64 known champions and almost 190 blue ribbons in every solid color group.

Hand selected by the late Dr. Jim Vickers, Royal Fawn is the only light fawn Accoyo ever exported from Don Julio Barreda's herd. According to Julio Barreda, Royal Fawn ranked as one better than he had ever produced at Estancia Accoyo in Peru. PPPeruvian Royal Fawn was the 1999 and 2000 "Get-of-Sire" winner at the AOBA National Show, and record breaking highest selling male in alpaca history in October, 2005. He is the sire of Dom Lucilio, Double "O" Good's legendary male known as the Herdsire of Champions with 73 known champion and nearly 200 blue ribbon offspring.


Tickets are on sale now, visit http://www.alpacaresearchfoundation.org and click on the Super Stud Raffle link. Ticket purchases are secure, and the drawing will be held at the AOBA conference this year.
Only $50, can you believe it? $50 for a chance to win a breeding that ordinarily could cost you $5,000. In these depressed economic times, this is a wonderful opportunity to jump start your genetics!!
ARF thanks the moderators of this site for the opportunity, yet again, to get the word out for our raffle- remember, 100% of all proceeds go directly to funding vital research that benefits everyone's alpacas.
Slainte~
Rachelle Black
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posted by Chaddo at 10:38 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: D.E.

Good, glad you checked the bag. You should be just fine feeding it. I'll
tell you one thing about it though, I breathed it in all summer long every
morning when I feed the girl alpacas their grain (it was mixed in with the grain
but still is dusty) and I got asthma towards the end of the summer. Don't
know if its related, but I haven't had asthma in over 30 years.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"I joined a health club last year, spent about $400.
Haven't lost a pound yet. Apparently, you have to go there."

In a message dated 2/10/2009 4:54:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

<<<<Janice, what brand is it? My feed store carries one that comes in a
brown
bag like a paper bag from the grocery store, only 25 lbs. It didn't say food
grade on it either and I went through the same thing you did. I finally
called the mfg. and they convinced me. It is VERY dangerous, deadly to
feed pool
grade DE to your animals, you did the right thing in holding off. Let me
know the brand and I'll check with my feed store on it.

SUSAN OLSON>>>>\

Thanks Susan. I had to go stand on my head again in the broken freezer
that I store my animal feed in. The dern bag is too heavy for me to
lift out to look at the label!
It says: EP Minerals, an Eaglepicher Co.
Celatom - this is in big letters and I think must be the
brand name. I can't really tell. Comes from Reno, NV.

Then it says under uses - fillers, extenders, conditioning agents,
catalyst something, and some other similar type stuff. Again nothing
about swimming pools! But also nothing on the front about food grade.
On the back under ingredients it says "diatamacious earth" then it says
it can be added to animal feed as an "inert carrier" at no more than 2%
of the total feed.

So I feel sure this is what it is supposed to be. I was just surprised
by all the industrial sounding uses and got paranoid. Not to mention
that the bag also mentions it is a carcinogen! And not to breathe.
This is also in a brown paper bag but is a 50# bag - my word it will
take me the rest of my lifetime to use it all up, so it better be ok to
use. I also plan to use it to store grains, flour, and beans for
human consumption.

After reading Perma Guard's website with the very thorough description
and explanation I began to again question if I had the right stuff.
So that is why I am asking if there is really a difference in brands, or
if this is just marketing hype; and was curious what all of you that use
DE have come across.

It probably is like beet pulp; not that easy to find and you get
whatever your local feed store carries or can order.

Perma Guard's website is very informative. Among other things it talks
about the difference between the crystalline form - very dangerous and
deadly to one's lungs; and the amorphous type which is benign and not
dangerous to breathe.

Thanks again for checking,
Warmly, Janice

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posted by Chaddo at 9:52 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: hit and run posts

Hi Michael,
I have to say, I have read my first two... no, I re-read all of my
posts regarding that hit and run post and I honestly can't agree that
anything was abusive.

My replies may have been long-winded and very to the point. I do
apologise for never having learned how to sugar-coat my words. But
come on, excuses for not knowing rules, being told I was wrong about
points of fact does make me testy. Plus the red herrings about who is
or is not an AOBA member.. totally irrelevant, and irritated me even
more.

But you know, I what really took exception to, was being called
heartless because someone whom no one here knows posted a hit and run
URL, and I said it's not ok. Every single other time I get an email
containing just a URL, that link goes to a viagra sales site, or a
porn site, or starts downloading malware to my hard drive. No one had
any way of knowing what they were to find after following a blind
link. That sort of posting is never accepted on any discussion group,
anywhere. Especially from members no one knows! It's happened right
here on this group before because of my leniency with membership
approvals.

My original reply, in case anyone has forgotten it:
> Hmm. Funny, that's my sister's farm name, that she reserved with ARI
> several years ago.
>
> And please, did you miss the discussion on advertising? Not to
> mention the basic rules of the group? No advertising, including
> pasting your URL with no content in the post.
>
> Finally, I did follow your link, and was met with a blank page.
>
> Annoying.
>
> Heather
>

Really??? Heartless? It is annoying! Every bit of this whole stupid
issue!

Free speech, yes, I'm all for it. But. Advertising is not allowed on
this group, members have made it very clear that they don't want it,
and requesting that people go to one's own website is most absolutely
advertising. Posting links to one's own website is a tactic used by a
"neighbor" of Susan Olson's, a real pal to us both. I'm sure she
recognises it for what it is, if everyone else is blind to it.

This is exactly why I don't like being the rules police.

Also, I thought everyone here was a grown-up.

Heather

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posted by Chaddo at 6:04 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: D.E.

<<<<Janice, what brand is it? My feed store carries one that comes in a
brown
bag like a paper bag from the grocery store, only 25 lbs. It didn't say food
grade on it either and I went through the same thing you did. I finally
called the mfg. and they convinced me. It is VERY dangerous, deadly to
feed pool
grade DE to your animals, you did the right thing in holding off. Let me
know the brand and I'll check with my feed store on it.

SUSAN OLSON>>>>\

Thanks Susan. I had to go stand on my head again in the broken freezer
that I store my animal feed in. The dern bag is too heavy for me to
lift out to look at the label!
It says: EP Minerals, an Eaglepicher Co.
Celatom - this is in big letters and I think must be the
brand name. I can't really tell. Comes from Reno, NV.

Then it says under uses - fillers, extenders, conditioning agents,
catalyst something, and some other similar type stuff. Again nothing
about swimming pools! But also nothing on the front about food grade.
On the back under ingredients it says "diatamacious earth" then it says
it can be added to animal feed as an "inert carrier" at no more than 2%
of the total feed.

So I feel sure this is what it is supposed to be. I was just surprised
by all the industrial sounding uses and got paranoid. Not to mention
that the bag also mentions it is a carcinogen! And not to breathe.
This is also in a brown paper bag but is a 50# bag - my word it will
take me the rest of my lifetime to use it all up, so it better be ok to
use. I also plan to use it to store grains, flour, and beans for
human consumption.

After reading Perma Guard's website with the very thorough description
and explanation I began to again question if I had the right stuff.
So that is why I am asking if there is really a difference in brands, or
if this is just marketing hype; and was curious what all of you that use
DE have come across.

It probably is like beet pulp; not that easy to find and you get
whatever your local feed store carries or can order.

Perma Guard's website is very informative. Among other things it talks
about the difference between the crystalline form - very dangerous and
deadly to one's lungs; and the amorphous type which is benign and not
dangerous to breathe.

Thanks again for checking,
Warmly, Janice

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posted by Chaddo at 4:52 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Thought I would likr to share this with you

Hello Heather-

You once stated to me that you insist on the right of free speech. OK,
a member posted a link to a "slide show" they wanted to share and many
of us found it great to watch and appreciated them sharing.

I agree, posting the web site was a surprise and was not in line with
the thinking of this site or others. I am not certain how you would
share something like that with the group.

I agree, he forgot to sign his post - something I have done myself as
many have but certainly not on purpose. Why not make it automatic?
Older systems, costly upgrade, personal time and dollar commitment -
nuf said.

I do not agree with your response or reaction. I did find that
offensive, abusive, and way out of line.

Perhaps a warning about posting links to websites.
Perhaps a warning to include your contact information.
Perhaps a warning about not using a link to private websites.
Perhaps understanding that most of us do not live and breathe computer
and are interested in Alpacas, the Alpaca community, and the great
people we meet in this community.

Regarding the use of a farm name, this happens quite often. We would
have liked MAM as our herd code and used it prior to registration -
our mistake. When we went to register this name - yikes someone else
used it. We used to have "MAM.email.com" as our email address. Used
it for years until we received a letter from the provider that another
user was going to get it and we had to change. My protest got the
answer - the Milwaukee Art Museum wanted that email. Nuf said.

I believe most if not all persons want unique identity in this
business and the most unique thing is a name. Unfortunately, many of
us again are not technically savy to the ways of searching for
registered or unregistered names. Many names are great names and are
popular to many so commonality in naming will occur. A civil approach
usually is enough to get the changes necessary along with a little proof.

I also searched for STARDUST and found your sisters site, but also
found three others besides Mike's - that makes five STARDUST ALPACAS.

I agree, your name is your character, your credibility, and your
reputation. Once you loose that you have nothing left in this
business. No one wishes to rely on anothers name but mistakes get made
especially in the excitement and rush of starting ones own farm and
raising Alpacas, and becoming part of the Alpaca community.

I agree, the internet has no emotion, but I keep getting yours loud
and clear. Perhaps we can figure out a way to get the message across
without killing the recipient.

Just some thoughtful thinking about the golden rule...Michael
Michael A. Morack
Waukesha, WI

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...> wrote:
>
> No, he may not. And it's a slideshow.
>
>
> Heather
>
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Lysa Grant wrote:
>
> > I must have missed the link to this video. Can you post it again?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Lysa
> > Jim Thorpe PA
>

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posted by Chaddo at 3:51 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Thought I would likr to share this with you, now Pet Peeves



Can we take this privately... it seems to have very little to do with
alpacas and is not putting anyone in a positive light. In fact, it all
probably should have been handled privately in the first place.

Laurel

Laurel Shouvlin
Bluebird Hills Farm
Springfield, Ohio
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Thought I would like to share this with you

I back Heather on this one. I would be upset if someone else used our farm
name and can understand her frustration, having dealt with this issue
beforehand. I don't think her original email was out of line or deserved such a
nasty response. We are all in this together and need to work together to
promote alpacas and fleece - can't we just let bygones be bygones here?

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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posted by Chaddo at 12:40 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

Janice, what brand is it? My feed store carries one that comes in a brown
bag like a paper bag from the grocery store, only 25 lbs. It didn't say food
grade on it either and I went through the same thing you did. I finally
called the mfg. and they convinced me. It is VERY dangerous, deadly to feed pool
grade DE to your animals, you did the right thing in holding off. Let me
know the brand and I'll check with my feed store on it.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"I joined a health club last year, spent about $400.
Haven't lost a pound yet. Apparently, you have to go there."

In a message dated 2/9/2009 7:57:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
houckj@aol.com writes:

I know we have recently discussed DE here and I have a question to those
of you who use it, if you don't mind.

After our discussion here I decided to add it to my overall feeding and
parasite control program. No one carried it around here locally but my
feed store offered to order some for me and said that someone else had
also asked them about it. They had never heard of it before. I
emphasized and re-emphasized at every step along the way "food grade
only". When it finally came in, they loaded it in my car for me. I
didn't look at it until I got it home to unload.
I was uncomfortable with the label. No where on the bag did it actually
state "food grade". It had a lot of words like "conditioning agent"
catalyst something, carriers, (but nothing about swimming pool filters).
It does say it can be added to feed as a carrier.
I called the feed store before I took it out of my trunk and they called
the rep again just to confirm and he confirmed that what I had was food
grade. So I accepted that, but I just still didn't feel totally
convinced. I finally had some time on a reasonably nice day this week
end to finally dust down the chicken area and add it to their feed.

The other night by sheer coincidence I picked up a book that was lying
around and started flipping through it. This is a huge book - a
resource book for homesteaders. I happened upon a paragraph about DE and
the importance of food grade. The author gave some company names and
contact info. Perma-guard was one of them that had a website. So
after a bit of reading there my question to those of you that use DE,
what does your bag say? How common is it to end up with non food grade
DE? Is there really that much difference between types i.e., brands?
Perma-guard claims that other brands have a lot of sediment and clay and
residues and also talks about the benefits of fresh water DE over
saltwater DE. That make a # of different products with DE as the main
ingredient, as well as just the straight DE. The price is reasonable,
but the shipping is more than the product, making it quite expensive.

I haven't gone so far as to feed any of what I purchased to my
livestock...livestock...<WBR>..well it is on the chix feed come to think of
reason I still just don't feel totally comfortable with it. I'd love to
here that the bags you use say similar things to what this bag says. I
thought it was expensive at $45 for 50#, but that is a whole lot less
than this Perma-guard would be.

Thanks!
Janice in NW GA

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