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Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Another thing that works if you can handle your alpacas easily and don't
have a huge herd, is Avon Skin So Soft Oil. I use it full strength in their
ears and lightly around their eyes and I don't have to re-apply it for a few
days.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 3/11/2009 7:44:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

thanks Susan - i'm going to try them - I can't stand seeing flies crawling
around their eyes
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: _LunarStruck@LunarSt_ (mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com)
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

They didn't really react much, its just a pain catching certain alpacas and
putting them on. I left them on almost all fly season with no problems from
any of them. I had to take off some and wash them. Check to adjust the fit
because as their fleece grows or the crias grow the masks get tighter. I
just put them on and let them go right away and not one of them had a
problem
with them. I'm getting extras this year, two of our males tear their masks
up
more quickly than one a season. Our guard llama really loves her mask!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 7:09:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_ (mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) writes:

hi Susan - how did your alpacas react when you first put the fly masks on
them? Did it take them long to get used to them?
Thanks
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: _LunarStruck@From: _LunarStruc_LunarStruck@LunarSt_
(mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com) )
To: _AlpacaTalk@To: _AlpacaTalk@<WBR>_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

I use the flymasks on everyone during fly season, even crias, they really do
help. I fly-spray them as needed when they are in their catch-feed-pen.
The masks generally last one fly season, then you have to buy new ones.
Check
them often to make sure the velcro is not stuck to the fleece or they are
irritating or "rubbing" the alpaca. They work very well, especially on the
black alpacas that lose some facial hair during fly season.

I believe the fly predators don't work as well in hot environments. It can
get very hot in summer here and they die off.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
__wendy.edwards@_wendy._ (mailto:_wendy.edwards@wendy.e) _
(mailto:_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_ (mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) ) writes:

hi Ridgley - what are fly boots?

We used DE last year but just sprinkled on the manure piles - it didn't seem
to make much difference - this year i am going to feed it to the alpacas and
see if that helps.

i've tried fly spray, wipes and roll-on. Nothing seemed to last for long.
Does anyone use the alpaca fly-masks i've seen advertised?

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: rollinridge
To: _AlpacaTalk@To:
_AlpacaTalk@<WBR<WBR>yahoogro_yahoogro_<Wyahoogro_<WBR>AlpacaT
(mailto:_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ) )
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Glad you brought that up :-) (one of my future questions). We tried them for
the first time last year with our (2) horses and my husband and I kept
asking each other all summer long whether we noticed any difference. (As we
shovelled the manure). We're in NJ. We have friends in MD that say they're
wonderful which is why we tried them. But I really don't think it helped.
Their
website says it can take a couple of years for them to really "kick in" -
but I
think I'll stick with my fashionable fly boots.
Can alpacas wear things like that?
Ridgley

--- In _AlpacaTalk@--- In _AlpacaTalk@<WBR<W_AlpacaTalk@W_AlpacaTalk@<WBR
(mailto:_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ) )
,
"Emaly Leak" <llamapyr25@lla> wrote:
>
> Spring is upon us, and I was curious to hear if anyone has used fly
> predators to control their fly population? If so, how did it work? When
> did you start & stop? I'm sure part of that is based upon geography and
> climate- I'm in central Indiana. Thanks, Emaly
>
>
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@. ll
>
> www.autumnhillllama
>
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(_http://www.etsy.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www_
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>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
> Show, Breeding, & Pet Quality Llamas For Sale
>
> Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male
>
>
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

thanks Susan - i'm going to try them - I can't stand seeing flies crawling around their eyes
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: LunarStruck@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

They didn't really react much, its just a pain catching certain alpacas and
putting them on. I left them on almost all fly season with no problems from
any of them. I had to take off some and wash them. Check to adjust the fit
because as their fleece grows or the crias grow the masks get tighter. I
just put them on and let them go right away and not one of them had a problem
with them. I'm getting extras this year, two of our males tear their masks up
more quickly than one a season. Our guard llama really loves her mask!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 7:09:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

hi Susan - how did your alpacas react when you first put the fly masks on
them? Did it take them long to get used to them?
Thanks
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: _LunarStruck@LunarSt_ (mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com)
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

I use the flymasks on everyone during fly season, even crias, they really do
help. I fly-spray them as needed when they are in their catch-feed-pen.
The masks generally last one fly season, then you have to buy new ones.
Check
them often to make sure the velcro is not stuck to the fleece or they are
irritating or "rubbing" the alpaca. They work very well, especially on the
black alpacas that lose some facial hair during fly season.

I believe the fly predators don't work as well in hot environments. It can
get very hot in summer here and they die off.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_ (mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) writes:

hi Ridgley - what are fly boots?

We used DE last year but just sprinkled on the manure piles - it didn't seem
to make much difference - this year i am going to feed it to the alpacas and
see if that helps.

i've tried fly spray, wipes and roll-on. Nothing seemed to last for long.
Does anyone use the alpaca fly-masks i've seen advertised?

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: rollinridge
To: _AlpacaTalk@To: _AlpacaTalk@<WBR>yahoogro_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Glad you brought that up :-) (one of my future questions). We tried them for
the first time last year with our (2) horses and my husband and I kept
asking each other all summer long whether we noticed any difference. (As we
shovelled the manure). We're in NJ. We have friends in MD that say they're
wonderful which is why we tried them. But I really don't think it helped.
Their
website says it can take a couple of years for them to really "kick in" -
but I
think I'll stick with my fashionable fly boots.
Can alpacas wear things like that?
Ridgley

--- In _AlpacaTalk@--- In _AlpacaTalk@<W_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ) ,
"Emaly Leak" <llamapyr25@lla> wrote:
>
> Spring is upon us, and I was curious to hear if anyone has used fly
> predators to control their fly population? If so, how did it work? When
> did you start & stop? I'm sure part of that is based upon geography and
> climate- I'm in central Indiana. Thanks, Emaly
>
>
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@. ll
>
> www.autumnhillllama
>
> __http://www.etsy.http://www.etshttp://wwhttp:/_
(http://www.etsy.http//wwhttp://wwhttp://www_)
(_http://www.etsy.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www_
(http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5635306) )
>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
> Show, Breeding, & Pet Quality Llamas For Sale
>
> Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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posted by Chaddo at 7:42 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

They didn't really react much, its just a pain catching certain alpacas and
putting them on. I left them on almost all fly season with no problems from
any of them. I had to take off some and wash them. Check to adjust the fit
because as their fleece grows or the crias grow the masks get tighter. I
just put them on and let them go right away and not one of them had a problem
with them. I'm getting extras this year, two of our males tear their masks up
more quickly than one a season. Our guard llama really loves her mask!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA



In a message dated 3/11/2009 7:09:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

hi Susan - how did your alpacas react when you first put the fly masks on
them? Did it take them long to get used to them?
Thanks
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: _LunarStruck@LunarSt_ (mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com)
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

I use the flymasks on everyone during fly season, even crias, they really do
help. I fly-spray them as needed when they are in their catch-feed-pen.
The masks generally last one fly season, then you have to buy new ones.
Check
them often to make sure the velcro is not stuck to the fleece or they are
irritating or "rubbing" the alpaca. They work very well, especially on the
black alpacas that lose some facial hair during fly season.

I believe the fly predators don't work as well in hot environments. It can
get very hot in summer here and they die off.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_wendy.edwards@wendy.e_ (mailto:wendy.edwards@shaw.ca) writes:

hi Ridgley - what are fly boots?

We used DE last year but just sprinkled on the manure piles - it didn't seem
to make much difference - this year i am going to feed it to the alpacas and
see if that helps.

i've tried fly spray, wipes and roll-on. Nothing seemed to last for long.
Does anyone use the alpaca fly-masks i've seen advertised?

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: rollinridge
To: _AlpacaTalk@To: _AlpacaTalk@<WBR>yahoogro_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Glad you brought that up :-) (one of my future questions). We tried them for
the first time last year with our (2) horses and my husband and I kept
asking each other all summer long whether we noticed any difference. (As we
shovelled the manure). We're in NJ. We have friends in MD that say they're
wonderful which is why we tried them. But I really don't think it helped.
Their
website says it can take a couple of years for them to really "kick in" -
but I
think I'll stick with my fashionable fly boots.
Can alpacas wear things like that?
Ridgley

--- In _AlpacaTalk@--- In _AlpacaTalk@<W_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ) ,
"Emaly Leak" <llamapyr25@lla> wrote:
>
> Spring is upon us, and I was curious to hear if anyone has used fly
> predators to control their fly population? If so, how did it work? When
> did you start & stop? I'm sure part of that is based upon geography and
> climate- I'm in central Indiana. Thanks, Emaly
>
>
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@. ll
>
> www.autumnhillllama
>
> __http://www.etsy.http://www.etshttp://wwhttp:/_
(http://www.etsy.http//wwhttp://wwhttp://www_)
(_http://www.etsy.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www_
(http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5635306) )
>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
> Show, Breeding, & Pet Quality Llamas For Sale
>
> Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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posted by Chaddo at 7:14 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

hi Susan - how did your alpacas react when you first put the fly masks on them? Did it take them long to get used to them?
Thanks
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: LunarStruck@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

I use the flymasks on everyone during fly season, even crias, they really do
help. I fly-spray them as needed when they are in their catch-feed-pen.
The masks generally last one fly season, then you have to buy new ones. Check
them often to make sure the velcro is not stuck to the fleece or they are
irritating or "rubbing" the alpaca. They work very well, especially on the
black alpacas that lose some facial hair during fly season.

I believe the fly predators don't work as well in hot environments. It can
get very hot in summer here and they die off.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 3/11/2009 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

hi Ridgley - what are fly boots?

We used DE last year but just sprinkled on the manure piles - it didn't seem
to make much difference - this year i am going to feed it to the alpacas and
see if that helps.

i've tried fly spray, wipes and roll-on. Nothing seemed to last for long.
Does anyone use the alpaca fly-masks i've seen advertised?

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: rollinridge
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Glad you brought that up :-) (one of my future questions). We tried them for
the first time last year with our (2) horses and my husband and I kept
asking each other all summer long whether we noticed any difference. (As we
shovelled the manure). We're in NJ. We have friends in MD that say they're
wonderful which is why we tried them. But I really don't think it helped. Their
website says it can take a couple of years for them to really "kick in" - but I
think I'll stick with my fashionable fly boots.
Can alpacas wear things like that?
Ridgley

--- In _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Emaly Leak" <llamapyr25@lla> wrote:
>
> Spring is upon us, and I was curious to hear if anyone has used fly
> predators to control their fly population? If so, how did it work? When
> did you start & stop? I'm sure part of that is based upon geography and
> climate- I'm in central Indiana. Thanks, Emaly
>
>
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@. ll
>
> www.autumnhillllama
>
> _http://www.etsy.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www_
(http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5635306)
>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
> Show, Breeding, & Pet Quality Llamas For Sale
>
> Outside Breedings available to ALSA Halter Champion Male
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] free choice question

We definitely had hay supply issues this year, we're lucky we got our
2nd cutting at all. Drought and then rain at the wrong times... I do
have a hunch our hay might be deficient in protein. Now that it's
been 6 months we're going to have it tested. : /

The moral here is to keep a close eye on your herd's individual body
scores, and have your hay tested when you get it! Don't wait 6
months! And if you have individuals who are struggling, be proactive.
Conversely, if you have individuals who are fatties no matter what
you try to do, well I'm not sure. I've not had that in my own
animals. :)

Heather

On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:55 PM, LunarStruck@aol.com wrote:

> Heather - Our alpacas are all in very good weight and a few too
> heavy. We
> must have either a difference in hay quality or most likely
> different-aged
> alpacas. Our oldest alpaca is only 8.
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>

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posted by Chaddo at 7:06 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

I use the flymasks on everyone during fly season, even crias, they really do
help. I fly-spray them as needed when they are in their catch-feed-pen.
The masks generally last one fly season, then you have to buy new ones. Check
them often to make sure the velcro is not stuck to the fleece or they are
irritating or "rubbing" the alpaca. They work very well, especially on the
black alpacas that lose some facial hair during fly season.

I believe the fly predators don't work as well in hot environments. It can
get very hot in summer here and they die off.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 3/11/2009 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy.edwards@shaw.ca writes:

hi Ridgley - what are fly boots?

We used DE last year but just sprinkled on the manure piles - it didn't seem
to make much difference - this year i am going to feed it to the alpacas and
see if that helps.

i've tried fly spray, wipes and roll-on. Nothing seemed to last for long.
Does anyone use the alpaca fly-masks i've seen advertised?

Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: rollinridge
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: fly predators

Glad you brought that up :-) (one of my future questions). We tried them for
the first time last year with our (2) horses and my husband and I kept
asking each other all summer long whether we noticed any difference. (As we
shovelled the manure). We're in NJ. We have friends in MD that say they're
wonderful which is why we tried them. But I really don't think it helped. Their
website says it can take a couple of years for them to really "kick in" - but I
think I'll stick with my fashionable fly boots.
Can alpacas wear things like that?
Ridgley

--- In _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) ,
"Emaly Leak" <llamapyr25@lla> wrote:
>
> Spring is upon us, and I was curious to hear if anyone has used fly
> predators to control their fly population? If so, how did it work? When
> did you start & stop? I'm sure part of that is based upon geography and
> climate- I'm in central Indiana. Thanks, Emaly
>
>
>
> Emaly Leak
>
> Autumn Hill Llamas & Fiber
>
> llamapyr25@. ll
>
> www.autumnhillllama
>
> _http://www.etsy.http://wwhttp://wwhttp://www_
(http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5635306)
>
> Fairland, IN
>
> Llamas, Alpacas, German Angora Rabbits, and Fiber Items
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] free choice question

Heather - Our alpacas are all in very good weight and a few too heavy. We
must have either a difference in hay quality or most likely different-aged
alpacas. Our oldest alpaca is only 8.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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In a message dated 3/11/2009 9:24:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

The rule of thumb that we were taught when we started with alpacas
was 1/3 ton per year per alpaca. That's how we've always ordered hay,
and we usually have enough to last a whole year. With greater
stocking density in the pastures, we don't count the actual pasture
grass and forage into our calculations for feeding, we just don't
think we have enough to sustain anyone.

We've had a pretty hard winter this year for our location, several
inches of snow on several occasions, and even had some dusting of
snow just this weekend. Last year we had snow in April 20th! So that
will add challenges to keeping weight on. Much of Southern
California, except the mountains and high desert, doesn't really have
cold winters where you get any freezing at all, much less snow or
hard freezes.

I looked at my farm calendar, and one bale will feed 5 boys anywhere
from 5-9 days. I don't know why there is so much variance. But I
figured an average of 8 days, as that is the most common interval
between new bales. So that makes 2.5 lbs per day, which comes to
912.5 lbs per year. Almost half a ton.

For the girls and crias, I don't have that info because I'm not in
charge of hay in those pastures. We have full bale feeders as well as
lower feeders so babies can reach. We even have large rubbermaid bins
bungeed to the fence inside the stalls that hold about 1 flake each,
for extra hay feeders until we can manage to build some more proper
feeders.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that although technically that
full bale feeder will feed 5 boys for a week, not everyone gets to
eat at the same time. I've found 4 is the most that can eat from a
box that size without a lot of arguing. Additional hay boxes for the
boy's pastures are on the to-do list as well, to be placed on
opposite sides of the stalls.

Different areas and climates will have different feeding
requirements. Maybe you could do some field trips to farms in your
locality to see their set-ups and their feeding regime. Everyone will
do it differently!

Heather

On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:56 AM, _sleepypinesaz@sleepyp_
(mailto:sleepypinesaz@aol.com) wrote:

> I guess that I will keep hay out all the time, and just keep an eye
> on them
> day by day.
> Pam
>
> You are welcome to visit my website...
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> In a message dated 3/11/2009 8:22:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> _alpacatalk@westwindalpacatalk@_ (mailto:alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com)
writes:
>
> That's interesting Susan! We have hay out at all times, and struggle
> to keep weight on many in our herd. We have hay boxes that hold an
> entire bale. In the adult male pastures, we have one of these feeders
> in each, and one 100 lb bale will feed five adult males for
> approximately one week. So they're eating 2.85 lbs per day.
>
> We do separate into groups for pellet feeding time, keeping the
> piggies together, the slowpokes together, so everyone gets their
> correct amount. And we bowl feed the pellets, definitely do not pour
> them in a line on the ground the way I've heard one breeder say to do
> it, and we don't care for the plastic raingutter feeder method
> either, except in creep feeders for crias, which we currently do not
> have.
>
> Heather
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:00 AM, _sleepypinesaz@ On Mar
> (mailto:_sleepypinesaz@sleepyp_ (mailto:sleepypinesaz@aol.com) ) wrote:
>
> > Hi Susan,
> > Wow...I wondered about it, because they sure chow down on that
> > orchard grass
> > with huge mouthfuls, lol.
> > Thank you,
> > Pam
> >
> > You are welcome to visit my website...
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> >
> > In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:10:24 A.M. US Mountain Standard
> Time,
> > _LunarStruck@ruck@<WBR>LunarSt_ _LunarStruck@LunarSt_
(mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com) ) writes:
> >
> > Hi Pam,
> >
> > We free-feed hay to our pregnant females and crias but not to the
> > males.
> > We feed our males once or twice a day so they have hay most of the
> > day.
> > One of our females is, I'm ashamed to say, VERY fat. If we had the
> > pasture
> > divided properly, I would separately the fatties from the thinnies
> > and feed
> > them
> > accordingly.
> >
> > SUSAN OLSON
> > Alpaca Loco
> > Riverside, CA
>
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