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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What DO you do with your fiber?

I sent mine off to a hand-spinner last year (my first year's clip). It's
still there, and NO estimate of when I'll get it back. Ugh. After I got
the bill, I decided it was something I should learn to do myself. Bought a
bunch of fleece to practice on, so I'd know what I was doing with my OWN
fleece.

Pamela Hunter
Weston CO

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:27 PM, bntruble <bntruble@yahoo.com> wrote:

> HeyHey guys!
>
> So... I've posted a bit here, sort of a newbie to the alpaca industry.
> I'm just curious as to what everyone does with their fiber from their
> animals... We've looked into the co-ops and whatnot, and the mills
> too... There's so many options, I'm just not real sure which to
> choose... LOL... Any feelings on co-ops? Our farm is set in North
> East Pennsylvania, I'm not familiar with any spinners guilds in this
> area... Just looking for a little direction I guess... Tanx!!
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] fibre

hi all - i too have donated fleece to the blanket project - last years and will be sending more of this year's clip this next week - i strongly believe in the blanket project and what peter and carol are doing - i have nothing but admiration for them and all their hard work

i sell some of my #1's to spinners here in the valley and keep some for myself to play with - i am sending some #1 and #2 to the new fibre mill in qualicum bay to be processed.

i have found a new use for the scruffy bits and tags, bird's nests and whatnot i usually throw away - i covered my newly planted seeds in the garden with fibre, filled the spaces in between planted rows with fibre and stuffed my tomato cages, all around the plants with fibre. There were numerous benefits to this:
- the fibre acted like a greenhouse and all my seeds came up within a week

- weeds didn't come up between the planted rows

- the cats didn't dig in the nice fresh garden soil

- the racoons didn't bother my garden (they trashed it last year)

- the tomato plants have trunks like small trees, and are huge (and covered in tomatoes)

- best of all the Slugs don't like the feel of the fibre and stay away from my garden. We live in a very wet area and in previous years the slugs have destroyed so many of my plants - this is the first year i've been able to pick enough of my strawberries to do anything with them

I pulled back the fibre as the seedlings emerged, but left it between the rows - i only just pulled the fibre out of the tomato cages last week ( i planted May 24) -

Now i am selling my old fibre bits and this year's fibre bits by the bagful to other gardners - i fertilize with alpaca gold, so you could say i have a totally alpaca garden.(i sell the manure too)
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] What DO you do with your fiber?

Hi Steve,
Well, as I posted previously, I sent off all that I could part with to
the Pendleton Blanket Project. Peter came by while we were shearing
this year so I didn't have this year's clip ready for him... but I'll
go through and decide what portion of this year's clip I can donate as
well.

The rest, I plan to do stuff with! Yes, poor grammar. The super-fine
stuff I'll have processed probably by hand to weave into fabulous one
of a kind pieces. The leg and neck stuff that doesn't make the cut for
the Pendleton project, I'll experiment in my own projects. I am now all
about making felt rugs. I think leg fiber will be great for high
traffic rugs. Neck fleece that may be too short for the Pendleton
project but plenty fine otherwise, I'll see about making into felted
shawls, scarves, throws, slippers, etc. and that super-coarse leg stuff
can also be made into felt slippers. It's just a matter of doing it (as
I sit here typing away)!

How about the rest of you? By the way, if I get any good at my felt
rugs, I'll be buying leg fleece from everyone, soon, for money!

Best!
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Eugene, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
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On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:27 PM, bntruble wrote:

> HeyHey guys!
>
> So... I've posted a bit here, sort of a newbie to the alpaca industry.
> I'm just curious as to what everyone does with their fiber from their
> animals... We've looked into the co-ops and whatnot, and the mills
> too... There's so many options, I'm just not real sure which to
> choose... LOL... Any feelings on co-ops? Our farm is set in North
> East Pennsylvania, I'm not familiar with any spinners guilds in this
> area... Just looking for a little direction I guess... Tanx!!
>
> Steve
> Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] What DO you do with your fiber?

HeyHey guys!

So... I've posted a bit here, sort of a newbie to the alpaca industry.
I'm just curious as to what everyone does with their fiber from their
animals... We've looked into the co-ops and whatnot, and the mills
too... There's so many options, I'm just not real sure which to
choose... LOL... Any feelings on co-ops? Our farm is set in North
East Pennsylvania, I'm not familiar with any spinners guilds in this
area... Just looking for a little direction I guess... Tanx!!

Steve
Simple CriaTions Alpaca Ranch

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?

Yup, I agree! This Texas denim thing doesn't sound a bit like anything
I want to do with my alpaca fleece! I have the utmost respect for
Fantasy Farms Tx' breeding program, though!

But the Pendleton Project is definitely something we can all agree is a
great way to use our fiber! I can't wait to get my first 100% Alpaca,
Pendleton Mills made, blanket/throws! Does anyone NOT know the name
"Pendleton"? I just wish I had more good fleece I wanted to part with!
You know, I have some super-white fleeces from animals I no longer own,
quite a bit of under 20ยต stuff that I just can't give away... And of
course I have all that leg and neck stuff! In fact, I do need to go
through my clip from this year to see what else I can donate to this
project.

So anyway, if you're interested in a project that really does what I
think most of want, contact the Lundbergs! This is the first project to
date that I've seen that actually looks seriously at compensating
fleece providers in any appreciable way. Every other
program/coo-op/project has been about separating you from your money in
the way of services required, or funneling your fleece to other
producers so that you can then purchase them at wholesale... then
what's the point? I can buy at wholesale and keep my fleece and do what
I want with it!

Heather

On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Susan Forman wrote:

> Heather:
>
> I didn't look at the info real closely, but I am more than
> skeptical. They're talking about cutting the fiber to
> 1.5"??? Somehow, that doesn't make sense to me and (I don't know
> much about fiber) I would think would have the potential of making
> even nice fiber 'pokey' feeling. Again, I don't know that much about
> fiber, but some things aren't adding up for me. Plus, why mess with
> denim? Cotton works just fine and I"m not sure that alpaca would add
> that much to it..........at 20% at that. Whatever. I don't like the
> sound of what I'm reading, so I think I can manage with other
> means. But then again, each to his own...............
>
> Susan
>
> Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> 423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899 Home
> 937-901-1509 Cell
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?

Heather:

I didn't look at the info real closely, but I am more than
skeptical. They're talking about cutting the fiber to
1.5"??? Somehow, that doesn't make sense to me and (I don't know
much about fiber) I would think would have the potential of making
even nice fiber 'pokey' feeling. Again, I don't know that much about
fiber, but some things aren't adding up for me. Plus, why mess with
denim? Cotton works just fine and I"m not sure that alpaca would add
that much to it..........at 20% at that. Whatever. I don't like the
sound of what I'm reading, so I think I can manage with other
means. But then again, each to his own...............

Susan

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
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[AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?

Hi everyone!

I suppose you all got the mass email today for "CASH FOR YOUR ALPACA
FIBER" from the American Alpaca Fiber Federation, LLC. I followed the
link and what I garnered from scanning the page was that they will be
making 80% cotton 20% alpaca denim??? I didn't see what they planned to
pay for the fleece they buy. I apologize in advance for being a bit
skeptical, but I don't really want alpaca in my denim, and I do want to
know what someone will pay me for my fleece.

Here in Oregon, we have a really great project going, thanks 100% to
Peter and Carol Lundberg. It's the Pendleton Alpaca Blanket Project. I
have donated almost 30 pounds of fleece. That was all of the "good
stuff" I was willing to part with! Many others have donated far more,
and people are still donating fleece! Please follow this link to learn
about this very exciting project!
http://www.elderberrycreekalpacas.com/

The idea is, we donate fleece, and those who have made donations by
June 15th (yes, that date has passed but they may be flexible on this)
have the opportunity to purchase throws at cost plus 3%, which they
estimate will come to less than $40 per blanket. We can then re-sell
them at an estimated retail price of... I dunno, what does a 100%
alpaca throw go for today? $100, $200? No matter, good return on your
investment.

In the future, they plan to and really want to be able to purchase
fleece from growers (us) at a minimum of $2 per pound. I know, that
sounds like peanuts... sort of. It is an avenue to sell your product.
It is a place to grow our industry. I know they want to offer more than
that in the future.

Wanna know what I think might be happening with that American alpaca
"co-op"? I think they gather up all the fleece, have it processed, sell
it at very low prices to Red Maple and other partner vendors, and then
sell the finished product back to us, the producers. They don't offer
cone yarn to us. They just want our free fleece. And then maybe they
write a token check for a couple 100 bucks for your 10 years of
membership, donations, and participation. Plus members have to pay
shipping costs. I don't think those dividend payments even pay the
shipping!

The Lundbergs and Pendleton Wool are different. We're Oregonians! We
want to make good stuff and reward people for their hard work! It's
hard work raising alpacas! We think everyone deserves compensation for
their efforts!

So that's my limited view. I also know that I am going to be working
hard to make product from my 2nds and 3rds. Hey, that's the throw-away
stuff! If we can make product from every bit of fleece that comes off
our alpacas, we can make a go of this industry.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Eugene, OR

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Teaching to walk

Hi there!

Finally something I really feel I can comment on and know something
about. Granted, I am not considered an industry expert in the field by
any means, however, I have trained, and really enjoy training, my fair
share of alpacas in the past few years. There are many methods of
working with animals out there and I have tried to read up on as many
of them as I could and combine methods because there doesn't seem to be
any one way that will work perfectly for every animal.

That being said, there are a couple of options that I would consider
for the very stuborn alpaca. John Mallon uses a bicycle inner tube tied
to the lead and the lead tied to a post to quickly get across to the
alpaca (or llama) the concept that the harder they pull the more
pressure is placed on the back of their head. When they release
pressure and put a "J" in the lead, the pressure on the back of the
head is released. I have used this method in the past on the older and
most stubborn of animals (only males I have put through this), but as I
have learned more about how to teach them, this method usually isn't
required. I also work with the young animals at an early age so they
never get to the stubborn stage and will learn to walk on a lead before
they are weaned.

For your case, I would recommend a lot of patience. What you are trying
to teach is that when there is a loose lead, there is no pressure on
the back of the head. The alpaca's natural reaction to pressure on the
back of the head is to pull the head back. We need to teach them when
the lead starts to get tight, in order not to get the pressure on the
back of the head, they need to step forward. For the stubborn, like you
seem to have, you will want to remember that rather than fighting them
head on, apply pressure from the side where you have more leverage.
What you are trying to do is get them to take a step and as SOON as
they do, give them a loose lead. Let them relax for a moment and do it
again. I tend to like to switch sides occasionally so they get the idea
that when they move in the right direction according to the lead, they
get the pressure released from the back of the head. Once they are
taking a single step fairly quickly, make them take two steps, then
three, eventually, they will see what is going on here. This is not a
quick process and don't expect the alpaca to master it on the first
day. Give them about a 10 minute lesson, about a 20 minute break to
think about it, and another 10 minute lesson and be done for the day.
In three or four days, you should have an alpaca that will walk
beautifully on the lead.

Things to watch out for:
The alpaca freaks out when you start the process and jumps and fights
and generally throws themselves down in a fit. In these cases, just try
to do this in a soft field (no rocks) and pretty much just let them do
it. Stand your ground. Talk to them the whole time. Give them a long
lead, as much lead as you can and still maintain control. I do not use
a lead longer than about 6 feet personally I haven't had a need to give
them that much distance. My arms aren't 6 feet long and they know that
I can't catch them from that distance, even though I have the lead and
can bring them to me. They will calm down eventually. I think you have
already been through this stage with your girl since you said she
is "halter broke". As Heather stated, most people don't consider them
halter broke until they will walk on the lead though.

Once you have started with the alpaca walking on the lead fairly
nicely, she will get scared and try to bolt. Be prepared for this, they
all seem to do this for some reason, usually when going back in the
direction they want to go, like toward the barn. Stand your ground,
plant your feet and stop them. It looks really bad like it could hurt
them when they hit the end of that lead, but they have really strong
necks and I haven't hurt one yet doing this. Talk to them calmly, tell
them they can't do that. Turn around and walk the other direction a few
steps with them, then turn them around safely and start going the
direction you were going in the first place. Usually after three or
four of these, they will calm down and walk with your nicely.

Walking in front of you. Most will try to walk just a few steps in
front of you. This is not their place, do not allow it. Make them walk
with their head next to you or behind just behind your shoulder. You
are leading them, they are not leading you.

Watch the ears. When they are uncomfortable, they will let you know by
putting the ears back. Try not to start pulling on the lead too much
when the ears are back as they are already too nervous and this will
make them worse. Let them relax and put the ears up and get some
confidence back. They are then going to be more open to learning the
lesson you are trying to teach.

Do not get in a tug of war with the alpaca. This doesn't do either of
you any good. Do not pull on the lead straight in front of the alpaca
for very long, the alpaca will get the "J" shaped neck and can hold you
off forever. Once you realize that they aren't going to move straight,
move your body to the side (left or right doesn't really matter) and
get them where you have more leverage and get them off-balance until
they take that important step. As soon as they step, give them the
reward of the loose lead until they gain confidence again.

Training each alpaca is different. You must learn to read each animal
and adjust your training to that alpaca's needs. We have trained many
animals on our farm and even though we haven't done any alpaca shows,
our animals perform in 4H shows every year at fair and do very well. We
also have the first Dove Lewis Certified Therapy alpaca. He is a very
special case and you can't train his attitude, but you can train his
behaviour on the lead. It is my believe that every alpaca should be
able to walk on a lead, and I would MUCH prefer that this be taught at
a young age when they are most willing to learn rather than wait until
the 3 or 4 year mark when they are pretty set in their ways. They can
and will still learn at that age, it just takes a bit more time.

I hope this helps some. There is a bit of an art to training, and I
think that may be one of the reasons I enjoy it so much.

Take Care,
Dennis Parker
Fancy Fiber Farm
La Center, Washington
http://fancyfiber.com
http://alpaca-search.com

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jendemond" <jendemond@...> wrote:
>
> I have a very very stubborn female that is three years old. She
wasn't
> worked with much when I bought her. I am trying to teach her to walk.
I
> have halter broke her. But walking is proving to be a great
challenge.
> I am looking for any suggestions on this. She puts on the breaks and
> won't walk for me. It is basically I pull her and/or push from
behind.
> Her fleece companion broke nicely and now walks well for me. But she
is
> not willing to participate with the program lol
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Odd injury

My first thought is fighting teeth. They are extremely sharp and
dangerous. And, they continue to grow, so they need to be checked at
least yearly and trimmed as needed.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
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(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
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On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:30 AM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

> Two mornings ago I saw a long slash on one of my alpaca's neck. Upon
> investigation I was horrified to see how extremely deep it is. I
> cleaned with warm soapy water to which I added grapefruit seed
> extract;
> then sprayed with saline solution and then liberally applied
> goldenseal.
> Discovered my baby's diaper makes a perfect neck bandage (held on with
> duct tape!). So have been doing this 2x day since and it looks to be
> healing up ok without infection - fingers tightly crossed.
>
> But I have been extremely puzzled by what could have caused such a
> serious injury. It is at the base of his neck; across the top and down
> one side. It is a neat slice like a knife would make. It is extremely
> deep - barely bled at all. By the time I saw it it was already too
> late
> for stitches - which it definitely should have had. Yesterday upon
> more
> relaxed examination I discovered this is not his only cut. He has a
> smaller one right next to the large deep one which is more of a deep
> scrape, but still like a slash. And 2 shorter, but almost as deep
> slashes higher up on the opposite side of the neck.
>
> I have examined the pasture - no blood anywhere, no hair or blood on
> the
> fence wire where there are some sharp points, but none that would make
> such a severe cut. At first I was thinking he got caught under
> something and hurt himself trying to get uncaught. But I can think of
> nothing that could have caused this.
>
> The only 2 possible clues I have to go on - one of our 7 loud large
> ducks that also live in that pasture also has disappeared - no
> evidence
> of a massacre anywhere, but the duck is just totally gone. Whenever I
> have had a predator get after my chickens there has been ample
> evidence
> left behind.
>
> The only other clue is that my young stud male, who is smaller than
> this
> gelding, had some faint bloody smears on the underside of his neck
> that
> morning as well. I hosed him off and saw he was not injured at all.
> These 2 occ mix it up, but nothing serious. They will do what I call
> the "neck dance" and it looks as if this male had his neck rubbing up
> against the gelding's wounded neck area, perhaps when the wound was
> fresh and bleeding a bit more than it was when I discovered it.
>
> We've never had any serious predators around here, tho there have been
> the occasional fox, bobcat, coyote, and bear sightings around here
> over
> the years.
>
> The more I think about it the more worried I am becoming about the
> predator possibility. I have put the ducks in an enclosed pen the past
> 2 nights and left on all the lights (the alpaca pasture is close to
> the
> house) at night. I couldn't sleep last night for going out to check on
> my pacas so many times. Yet, seems to me, any predator that would have
> gotten on the top of my boy's neck to make such a deep slashing wound
> with teeth surely would have finished off the job??
>
> This boy is my very curious (personality plus) paca. I am picturing
> some predator going after the duck and Snowball going to check out
> what
> all the commotion was about. The others would not have even bothered
> to
> get up, but this boy would have definitely gone to see what was going
> on.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks! Janice
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] RE:AlpacaTalk] Re: Fly control

We put rotting hamburger into large plastic containers with ¼" holes drilled
into the lid along with a few inches of water. The perfect size for us is
Costco mixed nut or peanut butter jars. Once the medium gets going, you can
share it with other containers. When the container is full, you can either
discard it or bury most of the contents and continue using it but remember
to keep the contents moist at all times.

Lona
ALPACAS of Tualatin Valley, LLC - Since 1988
Buy N. American for "Pure Perfection" ™

Beaverton, Oregon

Office: 503-649-2128 Cell: 503-936-7722

www.AlpacaTV.com <http://www.alpacatv.com/>

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From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of grandmaperkypatti
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:10 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM][AlpacaTalk] Re: Fly control

Hi there -
We are by no means experts in this and there have been a ton of great
suggestions in the recent past. However since our vet just pulled
out of the driveway commenting on our lack of flies in the barn and
pens... I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. At the beginning of
the season we tried a variety of things to no avail. Then I bit the
bullet and bought 2 cases of the Rescue disposable fly trap. 1 case
Barn bag size and the other regular size. There are pesticide free
and are really working for us. We also use them in our garage and
other enslosed buildings. We keep a record of the date we put them
out to get a handle on the fly population and how effective they are
being. The ONLY draw back is...when they start filling up....they
stink BAD! and whatever you do don't drop the bag of fly juice on
you as you are removing it... That smell stays with you for ever.
They aren't cheap...but in our opinion well worth it.

Also - Since that doesn't do anything for them when they are in the
pasture, we give everyone (but one who won't eat it) a little garlic
in the morning on top of their food. It seems to help. Their breath
is awful but the flies don't seem to be as bad.

My 2cents ...
Patti Jennings
WillowBend Alpaca Farms
Forreston, IL
www.willowbendalpaca.com

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[AlpacaTalk] Odd injury

Two mornings ago I saw a long slash on one of my alpaca's neck. Upon
investigation I was horrified to see how extremely deep it is. I
cleaned with warm soapy water to which I added grapefruit seed extract;
then sprayed with saline solution and then liberally applied goldenseal.
Discovered my baby's diaper makes a perfect neck bandage (held on with
duct tape!). So have been doing this 2x day since and it looks to be
healing up ok without infection - fingers tightly crossed.

But I have been extremely puzzled by what could have caused such a
serious injury. It is at the base of his neck; across the top and down
one side. It is a neat slice like a knife would make. It is extremely
deep - barely bled at all. By the time I saw it it was already too late
for stitches - which it definitely should have had. Yesterday upon more
relaxed examination I discovered this is not his only cut. He has a
smaller one right next to the large deep one which is more of a deep
scrape, but still like a slash. And 2 shorter, but almost as deep
slashes higher up on the opposite side of the neck.

I have examined the pasture - no blood anywhere, no hair or blood on the
fence wire where there are some sharp points, but none that would make
such a severe cut. At first I was thinking he got caught under
something and hurt himself trying to get uncaught. But I can think of
nothing that could have caused this.

The only 2 possible clues I have to go on - one of our 7 loud large
ducks that also live in that pasture also has disappeared - no evidence
of a massacre anywhere, but the duck is just totally gone. Whenever I
have had a predator get after my chickens there has been ample evidence
left behind.

The only other clue is that my young stud male, who is smaller than this
gelding, had some faint bloody smears on the underside of his neck that
morning as well. I hosed him off and saw he was not injured at all.
These 2 occ mix it up, but nothing serious. They will do what I call
the "neck dance" and it looks as if this male had his neck rubbing up
against the gelding's wounded neck area, perhaps when the wound was
fresh and bleeding a bit more than it was when I discovered it.

We've never had any serious predators around here, tho there have been
the occasional fox, bobcat, coyote, and bear sightings around here over
the years.

The more I think about it the more worried I am becoming about the
predator possibility. I have put the ducks in an enclosed pen the past
2 nights and left on all the lights (the alpaca pasture is close to the
house) at night. I couldn't sleep last night for going out to check on
my pacas so many times. Yet, seems to me, any predator that would have
gotten on the top of my boy's neck to make such a deep slashing wound
with teeth surely would have finished off the job??

This boy is my very curious (personality plus) paca. I am picturing
some predator going after the duck and Snowball going to check out what
all the commotion was about. The others would not have even bothered to
get up, but this boy would have definitely gone to see what was going on.

Any ideas?

Thanks! Janice

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