alpacas: 12/01/05

[Alpacasite] Fiber Nutrient Dosage

Has anyone noticed that the new 2nd Edition Alpaca Field Manual says to
top dress 2 Ounces of Fiber Nutrients per 150 lb alpaca where the
previous manual says 1 Ounce for Alpacas?

I threw away my bag with the label on it, so am curious if anyone knows
if this is a typo in the manual or Dr. Evans has actually doubled the
recommendation? The book still says you should get 400 feedings per 25
lb bag for alpacas and 200 for llamas. This would equate to 1 ounce
servings for alpacas and 2 ounces for llamas.

Ann Mayes
Alpacas d'Auxvasse
Auxvasse, MO
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[Alpacasite] Correction about geldings & fertility

Hi All,

Yesterday I wrote a response to Alice about geldings and fertility, etc. An error was brought to my attention and I have a correction to make. Males are still possibly fertile for 2 to 8 weeks post gelding! It is incorrect to think that the males are infertile right after surgery.

Sperm are stored in the epididymis and this is not cut/removed at surgery. An immature form of sperm are in the testis, but mature sperm are stored in the epididymis and can remain there for weeks.

When gelded, the testis are removed and the deferens are cut, but the epididymis remains. So, it's best to wait a few months before considering the geldings "safe" to be with open females. I'm sorry for any confusion and I don't want someone to think that they're in the safe zone when they most likely aren't.

Please feel free to write to me if you want.
Again, sorry for the confusion. I'm glad the mistake was caught :)
Chris

Chris Mills
Outback Alpacas
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Spencerport, NY 14559
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[Alpacasite] Re: Aggressive Feeding Behavior

Hi Joyce,
I've experienced this type of behaviour in one of ours and also in
some other animals at other studs I've worked at. The most effective
method I (and other breeders) have found for instilling some respect
in these wayward pacas is to arm oneself with a water pistol. Not the
super soaker variety, just a small hand water pistol with a range of a
couple of metres. As soon as the aberrant behaviour starts, stand your
ground and start firing until they back off. It helps to growl a bit a
the same time. For animals that are a real problem, you really want to
drive the message home; move towards them whilst firing until they
physically back right away a few paces. It's kind of an equivalent to
a spit (without the pong)but with further direct range and staying power.

You'd be really surprised how quickly they get the message. I don't
need to carry the water pistol any more, as a raised and pointing
right index finger is the signal that they're getting out of line. The
potential offender will invariably look at me then look at 'the
finger' and figure "better not". The affectionate animals are still
affectionate and there is no fear of me amongst the herd at all; I can
walk up and sit down with them whilst they're cushed in the paddock
and some will even move closer - just as long as I don't raise and
point my right index finger.

Sorry I can't help with why your girl is doing this although I have
noticed that all pregnant gals go through a slight personality change
thanks to all the hormones. Perhaps a blood test is not a bad idea
just to be sure.

Regards,
Elizabeth

Tarraganda Lodge Alpaca
Tallong, NSW Australia

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "pacajoyce" <pacajoyce@s...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure this question has been asked a zillion times, but here goes
> again...
>
> I have a pregnant female (5 months) agisting on a farm who has
> become very aggressive in trying to get to her grain at feeding
> time. She bumps the feeder in the back to the point where it hurts
> and once has completely knocked her down. She body scores at 3.5
> out of 5 so is a little over weight. They put her in the fat pen
> and feed her first, but she's still aggressive. She's nice at all
> other times, only at feeding time does she behave this way. Could
> she be missing something in her diet that makes her crave her grain
> more?
>
> Any suggestions on what's causing this behavior and how to stop it?
>
> Joyce
>
> Joyce Judy
> Alpacas del Oeste
> pacajoyce@s...
> Bay Point, CA
>

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[Alpacasite] Re: Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

Laurel, the reason this method works is that by turning the alpacas
head over your shoulder, you are putting it off balance...the
variation I prefer is to have handler in front, ring stewart on one
side and judge on the other side. This creates a mini pen in which
the alpaca is boxed. The handler holds the alpaca by the halter on
both sides of the face and balances the alpaca...if they are in
balance, they are often less freaked out.

I agree that part of the trick is teaching your alpacas (especially
the males) to allow handling, especially their privates, but you
also have to understand (and I'm sure you men understand) that some
judges grab the balls and give them a good squeeze to gauge the
evenness of the size of each. I dare say this will cause most males
to object in some fashion.

Joyce

Joyce Judy
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pacajoyce@sbcglobal.net
Bay Point, CA

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Shouvlins" <bluebirdhills@v...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Lance,
>
> I did not explain this well in my first post and so to clarify...
As you stand and face the alpaca, you are hugging it with your left
arm so that you are actually standing a bit to its left side. If
the animal does decide to try to overcome the restraint, its path is
through your arm and left hip which can pivot easily out of the way,
not through your body, which I agree would be dangerous.
>
> While I agree that this is not a method of restraint for llamas,
it works very effectively for alpacas due to their smaller stature.
This technique prevents injury by controlling the animals in a safe
way for animal and handler, and was never used unless the alpaca had
already tried to go over everyone. A picture would be far better
than my words, but alas that's not allowed here. Hopefully my
description is making better sense now.
>
> Laurel
>
> Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
> Bluebird Hills Farm CSA & Alpacas
> 3617 Derr Rd. Springfield, Ohio 45503
> www.bluebirdhills.com
> bluebirdhills@v...
> 937-390-6127 or 937-206-3936 (cell)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lance Hardcastle
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows
>
>
> I have to admit that this behavior on a human's part sounds to
me like
> THE most dangerous way that you could attempt to calm an alpaca
down.
> You are putting yourself in a very disadvantageous position
holding on
> to the neck of an animal that wields it in battle. Facing any
animal is
> an offensive position and then subsequently holding on such that
they
> cannot move will likely get you hurt badly. I am glad that this
works
> for you as I must assume that your animals are trained for it.
For an
> owner of a less trained animal to attempt this might likely get
them
> killed. The more you brace against their attempts will only
encourage
> them to make a greater attempt. Any animal that finds itself so
> restrained as to not be able to move, will, when given the
opportunity,
> to somewhat disastrous results
> There are far better ways to accomplish this, in my humble
opinion that
> do not risk injury. They, of course, start long before the show
ring
> but there are some less dangerous methods even after you are
already
> there.
> Respectfully,
> Lance Hardcastle
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Shouvlins wrote:
>
> > If the alpaca starts to act up... face your alpaca with your
left arm
> > firmly holding the bunched up lead and wrap your arm around
the
> > alpacas neck. Position yourself so that your left thigh/knee
is
> > against its chest and the animal's neck is firmly against your
left
> > chest. Point its chin into the air with your shoulder. You
are now
> > hugging that huggable investment, but thinking less than
affectionate
> > thoughts! It is important that the alpaca does not feel as
though it
> > has any room to move. Brace yourself against any of its
attempts by
> > keeping your right leg back and firmly planted so that you can
push
> > against the animal if necessary. If it senses it has
space...it will
> > try to take advantage of it, so be gentle, but firm.
> >
> www.southeastllamarescue.org
>
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[Alpacasite] Re: Aggressive Feeding Behavior

Thanks all for your suggestions...I will pass them on to the agistor's
and work on it a bit myself, but I'm not there every day and they are,
so they're the ones that have to deal with it day-to-day.

> Joyce
>
> Joyce Judy
> Alpacas del Oeste
> pacajoyce@s...
> Bay Point, CA
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Re: [Alpacasite] Older females

Deb,
I know of an 18 year old & 19 year old female who delivered at that age but
those were their last cria's as their milk didn't come in fully. They were
then retired to live out their life just being pacas.
Denise

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[Alpacasite] Re: Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

I usually show llamas, but I also have two alpaca geldings that I keep
for their fiber. This fall I helped friends at a show by handling one
of their alpacas. In stark contrast to the llama side of the show,
the alpacas all tended to be jumpy and pull away from their handlers.
I can't imagine how the judge could tell how well they moved.

I showed one of my geldings in the performance classes and also in the
non-breeder halter class. He walked just fine on lead with no
pulling, even though he was the only one in the halter class in that
great big ring. The judge asked me if he was kept with
llamas--apparently alpacas who have llamas for role models tend to be
easier to handle and less spooky. She even remembered his performance
from the previous day and commented that he did "pretty well" (trying
not to add "for an alpaca").

As a generalization, alpacas don't seem to have the same level of
"smarts" that llamas have, but that doesn't excuse alpaca owners from
neglecting to train them. In fact, my alpaca boys tend to be more
tractable in performance classes because they are not trying to figure
out the obstacles--they just know to follow me.

A lot of first-time buyers really are looking for alpacas that they
can handle (if not hug). An alpaca trained to lead, to have his feet
picked up for toenail trimming, and that will stand to be vaccinated
will have a distinct selling advantage over one that has to be chased
down, cornered and hog-tied to have anything done to it.

Susan

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "mpcpneilp" <mpcpneilp@a...> wrote:
>
> Jeannie and Laurel,
>
> This is an interesting and important topic. Laurel has brought up
> many good tips. The thingy wacket issue is much like a right of
> passage for exhibitors. I think most of us make this mistake sooner
> or later.
>
> That being said I have a different perspective. Contrary to what Jude
> Anderson has said, you CAN'T TEACH AN ALPACA TO ACCEPT HANDLING AT A
> SHOW. In fact, in handling alpacas the real teaching that is going on
> is that the handler is learning what drives an alpaca crazy an learns
> not to do those things.
>
> Alpacas do not have the same temperament as llamas. Some of them will
> be spooked in the scary environment of the showring and there is
> little or nothing that can be done to calm them down. If this
> happens, often the best thing to do is scratch them from the show
> yourself.
>
> Also, containing an alpaca as Laurel has described will work some of
> the time. If the alpaca is really spooked however 3 people will not
> be able to hold them still, and the process of trying can make said
> alpaca even more crazy (that flight response thing).
>
> There is no simple answer here. Just be aware that some alpacas don't
> have the temperament for the showring.
>

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Re: [Alpacasite] Older females

Hi Deborah,

It would not be impossible for such a female to have 5-6 more
breedings in her, if everything remains equal and the female has a
life expectancy of 20 years. That would presume that no issues come
up regarding failure to maintain weight as she gets older, etc. I
have personal knowledge of an alpaca female that gave birth at 24
years of age, then was no longer bred and lived to be almost 29 years
of age, documented.

Dave

David & Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
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At 04:32 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
>How many breeding years do you think (guess) a 13 YO female would
>have left in her? Take in to account she body scores fine, is a
>milk machine, has easy births, and has never had birthing problems.
>
>Deborah K Robinson
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[Alpacasite] Older females

How many breeding years do you think (guess) a 13 YO female would have left in her? Take in to account she body scores fine, is a milk machine, has easy births, and has never had birthing problems.

Deborah K Robinson
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Re: [Alpacasite] Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

Hi Lance,

I did not explain this well in my first post and so to clarify... As you stand and face the alpaca, you are hugging it with your left arm so that you are actually standing a bit to its left side. If the animal does decide to try to overcome the restraint, its path is through your arm and left hip which can pivot easily out of the way, not through your body, which I agree would be dangerous.

While I agree that this is not a method of restraint for llamas, it works very effectively for alpacas due to their smaller stature. This technique prevents injury by controlling the animals in a safe way for animal and handler, and was never used unless the alpaca had already tried to go over everyone. A picture would be far better than my words, but alas that's not allowed here. Hopefully my description is making better sense now.

Laurel

Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
Bluebird Hills Farm CSA & Alpacas
3617 Derr Rd. Springfield, Ohio 45503
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net
937-390-6127 or 937-206-3936 (cell)
----- Original Message -----
From: Lance Hardcastle
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

I have to admit that this behavior on a human's part sounds to me like
THE most dangerous way that you could attempt to calm an alpaca down.
You are putting yourself in a very disadvantageous position holding on
to the neck of an animal that wields it in battle. Facing any animal is
an offensive position and then subsequently holding on such that they
cannot move will likely get you hurt badly. I am glad that this works
for you as I must assume that your animals are trained for it. For an
owner of a less trained animal to attempt this might likely get them
killed. The more you brace against their attempts will only encourage
them to make a greater attempt. Any animal that finds itself so
restrained as to not be able to move, will, when given the opportunity,
to somewhat disastrous results
There are far better ways to accomplish this, in my humble opinion that
do not risk injury. They, of course, start long before the show ring
but there are some less dangerous methods even after you are already
there.
Respectfully,
Lance Hardcastle
On Dec 1, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Shouvlins wrote:

> If the alpaca starts to act up... face your alpaca with your left arm
> firmly holding the bunched up lead and wrap your arm around the
> alpacas neck. Position yourself so that your left thigh/knee is
> against its chest and the animal's neck is firmly against your left
> chest. Point its chin into the air with your shoulder. You are now
> hugging that huggable investment, but thinking less than affectionate
> thoughts! It is important that the alpaca does not feel as though it
> has any room to move. Brace yourself against any of its attempts by
> keeping your right leg back and firmly planted so that you can push
> against the animal if necessary. If it senses it has space...it will
> try to take advantage of it, so be gentle, but firm.
>
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[Alpacasite] re: help with a new vet

Hi Gary,
We gave our vet our copy of "the blue book", not Kellys :)
The Murray Fowler blue book.
After using it ourselves for 5 years, and earmarking it, and writing in the margins, I gave it to our newest small ruminant vet. She can really use it (and understand it) a whole lot better than I can, and if I really need it, I know right where it is :)
I will also give her Dr. Evan's book for Christmas this year, and she has Dr. Anderson's university web link for all the newest updates.

Then I would say, woo your new vet! Send them cards, make them cookies, and every time you have them out, or take your pacas in, send them a thank you note.
They are greatly under appreciated by many, many folks. As soon as they realize they are appreciated, they respond in kind.
Ciao~
Rachelle

Wyatt & Rachelle Black
Black Magic Alpaca Ranch
Honesty, Integrity, Quality
6500 Digier Road
P.O. Box 457
Lebec, CA
93243
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wyattblack@earthlink.net
661-248-6568

gepp1 wrote:

> We've had significant problems getting an alpaca vet in our area.
> All of our local vets have busy small animal practices and the one
> vet we have that will work on alpacas has been harder and harder to
> get out for ranch visits and is even hard to get scheduled for
> office visits. Getting her out for an emergency is "cross your
> fingers".
>
> A new large animal vet has joined our local practice and has some
> minimal experience with llamas. I'm asking the group to help me
> encourage this new vet to learn more about alpacas. We're in the
> process of trying to get her to attend a nearby 2 day vet symposium.
>
> I've read many posts consisting of information from handouts and non-
> copy-write protected material. If you have such material and are
> willing to send me a copy, please reply privately by email (
> gary@greystonemanor.biz ) and send it, (email if you have it
> electronically). I'll screen for duplicates and collect it (and or
> print the electronic formats) for delivery to our new vet.
>
> If anyone has old copies or duplicates of copy-write protected
> material, I'd like to hear about them. If I'm offered duplicates, I
> will do an update post listing what is available and try to put the
> donor and whoever wants it together.
>
> Also if people have URLs (links) to non-copy-write protected
> material that hey think would be useful for a new alpaca vet, I will
> download it and put it on a disk for her.
>
> Thanks,
> May all of your cria be healthy, prize winners with 10+ pound
> shearing weights,
> Greystone Manor ( www.greystonemanor.biz)
> Gary Epp
> 44656 Silver Spur Trail
> Ahwahnee, CA 93601
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RE: [Alpacasite] Re: Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

I agree with your point Neil. Some animals just don't handle show stress
well. I believe it's up to the owner to recognize this, and resist the
temptation to enter the animal anyway.

My thoughts are that training to be handled can cut down on the
disruption---not eliminate it. I have a male that I don't think I'll ever
show (much as I might like to)---he gets wound up too easily. Granted I
haven't had him his whole life...

Good points!

Jeannie

-----Original Message-----
From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of mpcpneilp
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:17 AM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows

Jeannie and Laurel,

This is an interesting and important topic. Laurel has brought up
many good tips. The thingy wacket issue is much like a right of
passage for exhibitors. I think most of us make this mistake sooner
or later.

That being said I have a different perspective. Contrary to what Jude
Anderson has said, you CAN'T TEACH AN ALPACA TO ACCEPT HANDLING AT A
SHOW. In fact, in handling alpacas the real teaching that is going on
is that the handler is learning what drives an alpaca crazy an learns
not to do those things.

Alpacas do not have the same temperament as llamas. Some of them will
be spooked in the scary environment of the showring and there is
little or nothing that can be done to calm them down. If this
happens, often the best thing to do is scratch them from the show
yourself.

Also, containing an alpaca as Laurel has described will work some of
the time. If the alpaca is really spooked however 3 people will not
be able to hold them still, and the process of trying can make said
alpaca even more crazy (that flight response thing).

There is no simple answer here. Just be aware that some alpacas don't
have the temperament for the showring.

My 2 cent,

Neil
A Paca Fun Farm
Mt. Airy, Maryland
Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland
www.apacafunfarm.com

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>
> Excellent post Laurel!
>
> I was at the show on Saturday (a great show---lots of Suris :-)),
and the
> same thing was happening in the Suri ring with Jude Anderson.
There were
> (at least) 2 incidents with loose alpacas due to playing with the
thingy
> wacket in the suri ring. Also, some of the classes looked like a
wild west
> Jude Anderson was very helpful in her reasonings, as well as
commenting
> several times that <paraphrasing> most people teach their animals
to lead on
> halter, but neglect to train them to accept HANDLING. As in fleece-
parting,
> tail-lifting, checking bite, and (boys) privates-touching. Not
that animals
> well-trained don't sometimes act up, but good training can cut down
a lot on
> the disruption and stress.
>
> Thanks for the post,
>
> Jeannie Wells
> Wellspring Suri Alpacas, LLC
> <http://www.wellspringsurialpacas.com/>
> http://www.WellspringSuriAlpacas.com
> 210-698-8018
> Boerne, Texas
> Also on AlpacaNation:
> http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?
name=11752
>
>
> What we see depends mainly on what we look for. --- John Lubbock
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
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> Behalf Of Shouvlins
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:46 AM
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Misbehaving Alpacas at Shows
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of serving as color checker and
then ring
> steward at the Alpacafest in Ohio. I worked with Jane Tellier and
> apprentice Kathy Klay in the female huacaya ring. It was a great
learning
> experience and one I hope to repeat for that reason.
>
> However, there were some challenges. Two things became very
obvious, very
> quickly.
>
> First, most folks know how to show an alpaca that is behaving well,
but many
> many people don't know what to do when the animal misbehaves. We
teach
> showmanship, but we don't teach folks what to do when things fo
awry.
>
> Second, by the time the alpacas got to the ring they were very
spooked.
> Most had to walk through a tent tunnel from one building to the
show ring
> and I think that the fear was in the air, for there was an
inordinate number
> of alpacas freaking out. These same animals were fine being color
checked,
> but were going ballistic a day later.
>
> So... some pointers
>
> If you are uptight...your alpaca will be uptight...take in some deep
> breaths. Try to loosen yourself up by standing relaxed. If you
know Ray
> Rodriguez and have seen him show, follow his example (minus the
duct tape
> over your farm logo on your shirt). Some times a deep breath
softly exhaled
> into the face of your alpaca will calm it down some. Perhaps it
conveys to
> the alpaca that you are relaxed, so it can be.
>
> Do not hold the lead by the clasp or you might accidentally
liberate your
> alpaca by pulling on the thingy whacket and opening it up to let
them free.
>
> If the alpaca starts to act up... face your alpaca with your left
arm firmly
> holding the bunched up lead and wrap your arm around the alpacas
neck.
> Position yourself so that your left thigh/knee is against its chest
and the
> animal's neck is firmly against your left chest. Point its chin
into the
> air with your shoulder. You are now hugging that huggable
investment, but
> thinking less than affectionate thoughts! It is important that the
alpaca
> does not feel as though it has any room to move. Brace yourself
against any
> of its attempts by keeping your right leg back and firmly planted
so that
> you can push against the animal if necessary. If it senses it has
> space...it will try to take advantage of it, so be gentle, but firm.
>
> As if this isn't enough to confuse you, take your right hand and
place it on
> the alpaca's back in the same spot you check for body scoring with
your
> thumb on one side of the spine and your other fingers on the
opposite side
> and push down firmly. This again tells the alpaca it has nowhere
to go.
>
> All of this will communicate to the alpaca that it ain't going
anywhere.
> There were some doozeys, but everyone was thoroughly examined by
Judge
> Tellier and apprentic Kathy Klay!
>
> Now for the ring stewards out there!!! Your job of course is to
help get
> the job done safely for both alpaca, handler, and judge, especially
the
> judge. I never touched one alpaca tail and please don't touch my
alpaca's
> tail if I am ever in your ring. Nothing will make an alpaca feel
more
> threatened than you grabbing its tail. This is where predators
attack them.
> I will never understand why folks do this, but I have noticed that
guys have
> a tendency to, more than women do.
>
> The ring steward should lay back unless the alpaca starts to act
up. A
> bunch of people descending on an animal will cause even the mildest
mannered
> alpaca to freak. So don't approach unless necessary. First you
just stand
> at the side of the animal so that it can't move away from the
judge. Often
> that will be enough. If it isn't, then you put your left knee
under the
> animal's flank right next to the leg and if necessary actually lift
the
> alpaca onto your knee, taking its vault away from it.
>
> Now mind you this technique is only used on the alpacas who are not
able to
> be restrained by the handler and should not be necessary. Usually
this
> would only have to be used once per class at most, but as I said,
there was
> something in the air at Alpacafest that had them all going, so that
there
> were often 5 or more twits in the ring.
>
> By the way, it was a great show from my perspective with many new
faces in
> the show ring which was fun.
>
> Hope this is helpful
>
> Laurel
>
> Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
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