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Thursday, January 29, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

I LOVED Connie Alexander. She went way out of her way to help us as a new
ranch understand the show rules and even some alpaca husbandry. She was
fantastic. Did you know they didn't even give her a chance to train the new
person or to complete the move of the office? Without an explanation, they just
let her go. THAT wasn't right, and now apparently Betty Brock is facing the
same thing? It really makes me wonder about AOBA and you'd think they would
be concentrating on getting only good publicity right now.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

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In a message dated 1/29/2009 6:35:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

Heehee. You won't get reprimanded for not putting sig blocks on this
chat group! I omit mine intentionally most of the time, partly
because I post so much, I think everyone knows who I am!

Apparently, they say it was due to budget issues. However, wasn't the
2009 budget approved by the membership, with the show division (and
Betty's salary) included?

I just think things are getting fishier and fishier around Linbar
Drive, Nashville, TN, and starting to stink to high heaven.

I post questions and opinions, stated as such, and I get personal
phone calls from the president of the AOBA board pressuring me to
change my views and words.

I think the AOBA powers that be are their own worst enemies right
now. They need to lower dues fees and actually give us value for
those dues. Right now the only benefit we receive is the opportunity
to give them still more money.

First they terminated Connie Alexander's services, which were
exemplary by the way. And now they've escorted Betty Brock out of the
building. Shameful.

What will they do next?

Heather

On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:24 PM, _busycs4@aol.bus_ (mailto:busycs4@aol.com)
wrote:

> Opps! I for got to sign . . .
>
> Why did they get rid of Betty?
>
> Catherine Stickann
> Sycamore Creek Farm
> 12100 W Highway EE
> Rocheport, Mo 65279
> (573)-815-9500 * _busycs4@aol.bus_ (mailto:busycs4@aol.com)

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Betty Brock's Dismissal

PS. Mary Meacher! I have you in my mind as a "Westerner!" Have you
always lived in New York as long as we've been acquainted online?

Heather

On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Mary Meacher wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, I was wondering what was the take on Scott
> Young's open letter about the dismissal of Betty Brock from AOBA's
> Show Office?
>
> Mary Meacher
> Walnut Valley Alpacas
> 96 Ashdown Road
> Ballston Lake, NY 12019
> 518.878.1061

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

Ah, well, yes. Especially with AOBA's current membership #s around
3300, opposed to the 4400 they claimed recently.

I still say their answer is lower membership dues and lower (if any)
show division fees. And really, guys, give os something for our dues
except hot air and your hands extended palms up!

Best regards, your friend,
Heather

On Jan 29, 2009, at 8:27 PM, gatewayfarm wrote:

> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > However, wasn't the
> > 2009 budget approved by the membership, with the show division
> (and
> > Betty's salary) included?
>
> I can say, based on experience, that budgets reviewed and approved as
> recently as November look like so much hot air about now. I call it
> the "fantasy budget'.
>
> "Yeah, ok, that's what the fantasy budget said, but what are we going
> to do now?"
>
> The economic landscape is changing by the day. While I hope those
> under my charge are not subject to layoff or furlough, there are no
> guarantees. The "new" position that was budgeted for ain't gonna'
> happen, I can tell you that.
>
> In my family I have two sons that have been laid off, a brother and
> sister in law that will probably be getting laid off, and several
> other extended family members that are quite vulnerable. I fully
> expect to see my wife and I furloughed at least a day a month (5%
> wage reduction anyone?). I have other colleagues that have been "made
> redundant" or are quite likely soon to be so.
>
> These are tough times. All may not be a conspiracy.
>
> John Merrell
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...>
wrote:
>
> However, wasn't the
> 2009 budget approved by the membership, with the show division
(and
> Betty's salary) included?

I can say, based on experience, that budgets reviewed and approved as
recently as November look like so much hot air about now. I call it
the "fantasy budget'.

"Yeah, ok, that's what the fantasy budget said, but what are we going
to do now?"

The economic landscape is changing by the day. While I hope those
under my charge are not subject to layoff or furlough, there are no
guarantees. The "new" position that was budgeted for ain't gonna'
happen, I can tell you that.

In my family I have two sons that have been laid off, a brother and
sister in law that will probably be getting laid off, and several
other extended family members that are quite vulnerable. I fully
expect to see my wife and I furloughed at least a day a month (5%
wage reduction anyone?). I have other colleagues that have been "made
redundant" or are quite likely soon to be so.

These are tough times. All may not be a conspiracy.

John Merrell

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

Heehee. You won't get reprimanded for not putting sig blocks on this
chat group! I omit mine intentionally most of the time, partly
because I post so much, I think everyone knows who I am!

Apparently, they say it was due to budget issues. However, wasn't the
2009 budget approved by the membership, with the show division (and
Betty's salary) included?

I just think things are getting fishier and fishier around Linbar
Drive, Nashville, TN, and starting to stink to high heaven.

I post questions and opinions, stated as such, and I get personal
phone calls from the president of the AOBA board pressuring me to
change my views and words.

I think the AOBA powers that be are their own worst enemies right
now. They need to lower dues fees and actually give us value for
those dues. Right now the only benefit we receive is the opportunity
to give them still more money.

First they terminated Connie Alexander's services, which were
exemplary by the way. And now they've escorted Betty Brock out of the
building. Shameful.

What will they do next?

Heather

On Jan 29, 2009, at 6:24 PM, busycs4@aol.com wrote:

> Opps! I for got to sign . . .
>
> Why did they get rid of Betty?
>
> Catherine Stickann
> Sycamore Creek Farm
> 12100 W Highway EE
> Rocheport, Mo 65279
> (573)-815-9500 * busycs4@aol.com

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

Opps! I for got to sign . . .

Why did they get rid of Betty?

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Betty Brock's Dismissal

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Betty Brock's Dismissal

I think AOBA is crashing and burning, imploding. I think the old
administration was bad, but it seems the new one is worse.

I'm pretty disgusted by AOBA's actions over the past few years. I
wonder what next shocking action will be taken?

Heather

On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Mary Meacher wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, I was wondering what was the take on Scott
> Young's open letter about the dismissal of Betty Brock from AOBA's
> Show Office?
>
> Mary Meacher
> Walnut Valley Alpacas
> 96 Ashdown Road
> Ballston Lake, NY 12019
> 518.878.1061

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[AlpacaTalk] Betty Brock's Dismissal

Just out of curiousity, I was wondering what was the take on Scott
Young's open letter about the dismissal of Betty Brock from AOBA's
Show Office?

Mary Meacher
Walnut Valley Alpacas
96 Ashdown Road
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518.878.1061

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bone Tumor: Update

Thanks Susan,

Yes, I can understand your turmoil in selling your girl. I now have two that will never be bred. Depending on what Brandies outcome is, she could be number three. It is hard to keep positive thoughts around her. This am and yesterday, I when I would touch her leg, she would sort of 'bow' down, like she didnt want me to touch it. But then a couple other times this am, she didnt seem to care.

After I fed her, she was standing by me, while I loved on her. I reached up and got a halter. She just stood there while I fitted it! A few weeks ago, she would move away. When she was living here in the house, I would bring her in at night after feeding every one. I took a brush and brushed all the loose hay and dirt off her out in the barn, or if she was wet, I dried her off. Most of the time she would follow me to the house. After a while, she decided that it was more important to take her time and explore. I took a bale twine and just looped it around her neck and held the ends. She followed me in.

After loosing her Mom, Aran and a baby girl from my other old girl that died in my arms in 2007, this just about does it. It just keeps reminding me of the screwing I got from ' North Americas Largest Alpaca Mill '. I wonder how many others who have bought there, like how they were / are, treated after their money was handed over...

Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA


----- Original Message -----
From: LunarStruck@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bone Tumor: Update


Hang in there, Jim, it might not be as bad as you think. Keep up the
positive thoughts and don't feel sorry for Brandie around her. Animals don't worry
about injuries or illness the way we do. I'm having real trouble putting my
first hand-fed baby up for sale, I sympathize with you!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 1/27/2009 12:33:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jgyelwa@ywave.com writes:

Thanks Susan and Heather.

I wish I knew more. When the digital pics are taken, they should tell more.

Still hurts me, having had Brandie live in the house while I bottle fed her,
now this...

I will keep ya all posted.

Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: _LunarStruck@LunarSt_ (mailto:LunarStruck@aol.com)
To: _AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_ (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Bone Tumor: Update

Hi Jim - so sorry to hear this. My personal decisions on treatment were
always based upon the outcome and the treatment involved. Ask your vet what
her
opinion is of the outcome and what her recommendations for treatment would
be for each possible outcome before you make the decision to go any further.
It could just be a bone cyst and be benign also, I had one of those in my
femur that was surgically removed and I'm fine 25 years later. Anyone know
if
alpacas get epiphisitis? Good luck and keep us posted!

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 1/26/2009 7:28:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_jgyelwa@ywave.jgy_ (mailto:jgyelwa@ywave.com) writes:

Hi again all,

Just talked again with the vet. The suspected tumor is in the humerus bone.
I asked her if the xrays could be sent to someone else for a second opinion,
like WSU, and she said she would be happy to do that. Also, she asked if I
could bring Brandie in to have digital pics taken, which I will do next
week.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: J Guerin
To: _AlpacaTalk@To: _AlpacaTalk@<WBR>_AlpacaTalk@yahoogroAlpacaT_
(mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com) )
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Bone Tumor

Hi all,

For several months later last year, I noticed my Lil bottle baby girl,
Brandie, was favoring her front right leg. When Brandie would turn say to
the
left, she would sort of drag her right leg around, not putting much weight
on it.
Some times she would stumble when she was walking. I had a suspicion
something might be wrong shortly after she was born, but this didnt show its
self
fully untill she was about nine months old, Started out with off and on
limping.

I had the vet out the end of Dec 08. After paplating from her foot up, when
Amy got to her shoulder ( I believe it is actually in her elbow, but not
sure
) Amy was way up past what I would call the elbow, but from the skeleton pic
in the Big Book, not sure if an xray could be taken there, Brandie let me
know that that HURT. She turned her head and looked me right in the eye.

Today, I finally got a call back from the vet, Amy. She had been waiting on
OSU to read the xrays. From what they can figure out, compairing to other
species, it looks like Brandie has a bone tumor. She was one year old on 20
Nov
08.

OSU suggested a bone biopsy. Amy suggested waiting and taking another set of
xrays in a month.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Jim Guerin
Jimmini Farm
Yelm, WA

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