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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dosing for worms and coccidia @ the same time

Hey Toni,

Sorry, I messed up my computer monitor, so wasn't online.

Last spring?was when I had the horrible coccidia problem.? And there was also giardia going around, but luckily I didn't have problems with that.

Not near as much a problem this year althought?I had two middle aged girls get skinny and be diagnosed with coccidia and worms.? The crias have been healthy, knock on wood.? I don't think I did anything different, except maybe the crias were just stronger this year.? The one that died was under 12# at birth and I had to supplement her etc etc.?

This time, the?vet had me dose with albon and corid, and safeguard for the worms.? I went ahead and gave everyone the preventative corid in the water, because this happened about the time I weaned my fall crias.

I have used Dr Jack - like him alot, but got tired of the farm call, and I suck at backing up a trailer, so take them to Tahoma now.? I like them alot also.?

Heidi

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Toni Kester <yarnpeddler1@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 9:08 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Dosing for worms and coccidia @ the same time

Hey Heidi,

I know that you had one hell of a winter with coccidia....like I did. I almost lost one of my cria. I know that you lost one. Can you tell me your story of this winter? My pasture is on the down hill side of the farm. (I really don't have a choice to move them casue I rent the space.) Did you use Marquis...albon? What is the opinion of your vet and who are you using? Tahoma Vet or Dr. Jack.

You and I are only about 30 mins away from each other and I'd love to know what happened this winter if you are willing to share.

Thanks for sending me the conformation. Diane e-mailed me back and recommended to break up the tx. As it sits right now the worm load is greater than the coccidia.

Radched@aol.com wrote:
Hey Toni,

Yes, I had to do this about a month ago.?

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: yarnpeddler1 <yarnpeddler1@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:00 pm
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Dosing for worms and coccidia @ the same time

Hey all!

Has anyone dosed for stomach worms and coccidia at the same time?

Toni Kester
Spirit Eagle Alpacas
Lakewood, Wa

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Ticks?

Ticks are terrible in our area this year. We pick off at least 3 or 4 off our cockapoo daily and one or two off each other as well. Used to gross me out, but now it is such a regular occurance that we just deal with it. You really don't have to get fancy about picking them off. I have yet to lose a head on an animal.

If you find one of those big honkin' gray females that is swollen and gross, there almost always is a smaller male nestled right next to her, so look for him too!

Ahhhh the joys of spring time

Laurel

Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
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Springfield, Ohio 45503
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Ives
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Ticks?

Our vet has us use Apinol. It is a pine oil spray and you just spray
the affected area and they supposedly drop off. I have the spray,
haven't had any ticks on my critters to see if it works or not. It
has a very strong scent.

Sue Ives
Alpacas of Nottingham Hollow
Woodford, VA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "scholarlylagomorph" <andrea@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Well, this year is a first for us, in the past we've had an
occasional tick on the alpacas but this
> year, they're loaded down in the armpit and groin area.
>
> In the past we've just picked off the ticks since there were so
few, but we can't keep up. What
> have you all used to alleviate this kind of problem?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrea
> Leaping Lagomorph Rare Breeds
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Attitude change in pregnant females

hi - i sure hope that's true - my bitchy girls had three boys last summer - this year no bitchiness at all in 6 moms-to-be. I would really like some girls here (who wouldn't?) - it will be interesting to see if the theory works

the one girl who came back from her outside breeding is bitchy, but i don't care if she has a male or female cria - it's going to be fantastic, whichever gender it is, IF she is pregnant. We don't know if she took or not, the "stud" test doesn't work with her, the vet hasn't been able to tell with blood tests, and she doesn't look any different - just the change in personality. I could probably load her up and take her down-island to a vet who ultra-sounds, but it's just more stress on her - we'll just keep watching her, this way i at least get to keep hoping.This is a fun time of the year isn't it? A bit of a worry too, with crias arriving. Our first two are due in three weeks.

wishing healthy births to everyone,
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni BC
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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Attitude change in pregnant females

So far, our females who were pregnant with boys were bitchy while pregnant,
the ones pregnant with girls weren't. A local breeder turned me on to look
for this - anyone else notice anything like it?

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Attitude change in pregnant females

So far, our females who were pregnant with boys were bitchy while pregnant,
the ones pregnant with girls weren't. A local breeder turned me on to look
for this - anyone else notice anything like it?

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Ticks?

Our vet has us use Apinol. It is a pine oil spray and you just spray
the affected area and they supposedly drop off. I have the spray,
haven't had any ticks on my critters to see if it works or not. It
has a very strong scent.

Sue Ives
Alpacas of Nottingham Hollow
Woodford, VA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "scholarlylagomorph" <andrea@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Well, this year is a first for us, in the past we've had an
occasional tick on the alpacas but this
> year, they're loaded down in the armpit and groin area.
>
> In the past we've just picked off the ticks since there were so
few, but we can't keep up. What
> have you all used to alleviate this kind of problem?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrea
> Leaping Lagomorph Rare Breeds
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Ticks?

Hi Folks:

Well, this year is a first for us, in the past we've had an occasional tick on the alpacas but this
year, they're loaded down in the armpit and groin area.

In the past we've just picked off the ticks since there were so few, but we can't keep up. What
have you all used to alleviate this kind of problem?

Cheers,

Andrea
Leaping Lagomorph Rare Breeds

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Attitude change in pregnant females

Stardust Alpacas wrote:
>
> Then again, some of our born on the
> farm and trained girls just don't like being touched
> when they are pregnant, either.
>

That's how I felt when */I /*was pregnant, too!

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Attitude change in pregnant females

Hi Dennis,

You are right! You are pretty lucky to have girls that
are nice. I do think it depends a lot on how much they
were handled and trained when they were younger. We
have some imports that did not have the socialization
as some of our others and they don't like too much
attention anyway. Then again, some of our born on the
farm and trained girls just don't like being touched
when they are pregnant, either. The hormones
definitely make their impact as well.

Have a happy birthing/breeding season!

Stephanie

--- Dennis Parker <denniswparker@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Stephanie,
>
> I must be really lucky then, the first five females
> we bought were
> all pregnant when we got them, so I hadn't seen the
> personality
> change first hand and these girls, while a little
> stand-offish, are
> all very sweet, with one exception. She's not sweet
> even when she
> isn't pregnant though. I just don't see the same
> change in
> personality with these five that I saw with this one
> girl I guess.
>
> I don't have 10 years of experience. I only have 3.5
> years and only
> about 2.5 with females on my farm (We started with
> geldings on the
> farm first and agisted the females for a while). I
> know what I have
> seen on my farm and the personality change for this
> one female was so
> dramatic in comparison to the other 5 females we had
> been breeding,
> and even the other girl we bred last year for the
> first time. I
> thought it was of significance to Heidi's situation.
>
>
> I realize that her personality change was because
> she was no longer
> pregnant, and I totally expect her personality to
> change again when
> she gets prenant again. My point was to Heidi that
> she may have a few
> days of peace with the girl until she rebreeds. I
> did not mean to
> imply that it was a permanent change in personality
> after having her
> first cria.
>
> I appreciate your response and value your years of
> experience.
>
> Thanks!
> Dennis Parker
> Fancy Fiber Farm
> La Center, WA
> http://fancyfiber.com
> http://alpaca-search.com
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Stardust Alpacas
> <stardustalpacas@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dennis,
> >
> > That niceness is just because she isn't pregnant
> > anymore. It is very likely that as soon as you
> breed
> > her again, she will become unfriendly again.
> >
> > We have been raising alpacas for 10 years and
> there
> > are VERY few who are still nice after confirming
> > pregnancy.
> >
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> >
> > Stardust Alpacas
> > --- Dennis Parker <denniswparker@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Heidi,
> > >
> > > Just saw this in the digests today (don't
> generally
> > > read these over
> > > the weekend) and feel compelled to respond.
> > >
> > > We are in the same situation with our first
> female
> > > born to us (not on
> > > our farm) having her first cria this year. She
> > > actually just had the
> > > cria April 23rd. Mom was the sweetest girl on
> our
> > > farm before she got
> > > pregnant. We read about people that could tell
> by
> > > the attitude change
> > > when their girl got pregnant and that was sure
> the
> > > case with this
> > > one. She turned a complete 180 degrees in
> > > personality. She would want
> > > to spit and every body if they came near her,
> she
> > > would kick at us we
> > > stepped too close, fortunatly she doesn't have
> much
> > > power in her kick
> > > and we learned quickly to stay in the right
> place.
> > > Then she had her
> > > cria and he didn't do well. I pulled him into
> the
> > > house to warm him
> > > up and bottle feed him the first night. (like
> > > someone else posting
> > > here) Then when I took him back to Miss
> Kicks-A-Lot
> > > I helped baby
> > > find his way to mom to nurse. She didn't spit at
> me,
> > > she didn't kick
> > > even when I touched her back legs. She was back
> to
> > > being the kindest,
> > > sweetest girl again. Just like that. She is fine
> > > again, sweet and
> > > kind. So when we rebreed her we will see how her
> > > attitude changes, if
> > > it does.
> > >
> > > I know that this is not a guarantee about how
> your
> > > girl will behave,
> > > but have hope, she may not be so spitty after
> the
> > > cria is born.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Dennis Parker
> > > Fancy Fiber Farm
> > > La Center, WA
> > > http://fancyfiber.com
> > > http://alpaca-search.com
> > >
> > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Radched@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Heather,
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is basically the whole second and
> > > third paragraph
> > > below.? You can complain about Rick all you
> want,
> > > but its not going
> > > to?do any good.? It isn't going to change him.?
> > > Judging by the
> > > responses here, people agree with you, but it
> makes
> > > me want to ask
> > > that question we Washingtonian's ask when things
> get
> > > tense - "How
> > > bout them Mariners?"
> > > >
> > > > So, does anyone?have any crias due soon?? My
> first
> > > one this year is
> > > due in August.??The mom-to-be?is?the first
> female
> > > cria born on my
> > > farm.? Makes me feel old - well, just about
> > > everything makes me feel
> > > old these days, but this makes me feel older :)?
> I'm
> > > pretty excited,
> > > although she is quite the spitter now, I can
> just
> > > imagine how she's
> > > going to be with a baby at side.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Heidi Christensen
> > > > WingNut Farm Alpacas
> > > > Graham WA
> > > > (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> > > > www.wingnut-alpacas.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Attitude change in pregnant females

Stephanie,

I must be really lucky then, the first five females we bought were
all pregnant when we got them, so I hadn't seen the personality
change first hand and these girls, while a little stand-offish, are
all very sweet, with one exception. She's not sweet even when she
isn't pregnant though. I just don't see the same change in
personality with these five that I saw with this one girl I guess.

I don't have 10 years of experience. I only have 3.5 years and only
about 2.5 with females on my farm (We started with geldings on the
farm first and agisted the females for a while). I know what I have
seen on my farm and the personality change for this one female was so
dramatic in comparison to the other 5 females we had been breeding,
and even the other girl we bred last year for the first time. I
thought it was of significance to Heidi's situation.

I realize that her personality change was because she was no longer
pregnant, and I totally expect her personality to change again when
she gets prenant again. My point was to Heidi that she may have a few
days of peace with the girl until she rebreeds. I did not mean to
imply that it was a permanent change in personality after having her
first cria.

I appreciate your response and value your years of experience.

Thanks!
Dennis Parker
Fancy Fiber Farm
La Center, WA
http://fancyfiber.com
http://alpaca-search.com

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Stardust Alpacas
<stardustalpacas@...> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> That niceness is just because she isn't pregnant
> anymore. It is very likely that as soon as you breed
> her again, she will become unfriendly again.
>
> We have been raising alpacas for 10 years and there
> are VERY few who are still nice after confirming
> pregnancy.
>
>
> Stephanie
>
>
> Stardust Alpacas
> --- Dennis Parker <denniswparker@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey Heidi,
> >
> > Just saw this in the digests today (don't generally
> > read these over
> > the weekend) and feel compelled to respond.
> >
> > We are in the same situation with our first female
> > born to us (not on
> > our farm) having her first cria this year. She
> > actually just had the
> > cria April 23rd. Mom was the sweetest girl on our
> > farm before she got
> > pregnant. We read about people that could tell by
> > the attitude change
> > when their girl got pregnant and that was sure the
> > case with this
> > one. She turned a complete 180 degrees in
> > personality. She would want
> > to spit and every body if they came near her, she
> > would kick at us we
> > stepped too close, fortunatly she doesn't have much
> > power in her kick
> > and we learned quickly to stay in the right place.
> > Then she had her
> > cria and he didn't do well. I pulled him into the
> > house to warm him
> > up and bottle feed him the first night. (like
> > someone else posting
> > here) Then when I took him back to Miss Kicks-A-Lot
> > I helped baby
> > find his way to mom to nurse. She didn't spit at me,
> > she didn't kick
> > even when I touched her back legs. She was back to
> > being the kindest,
> > sweetest girl again. Just like that. She is fine
> > again, sweet and
> > kind. So when we rebreed her we will see how her
> > attitude changes, if
> > it does.
> >
> > I know that this is not a guarantee about how your
> > girl will behave,
> > but have hope, she may not be so spitty after the
> > cria is born.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Dennis Parker
> > Fancy Fiber Farm
> > La Center, WA
> > http://fancyfiber.com
> > http://alpaca-search.com
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Radched@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Heather,
> > >
> > > What I mean is basically the whole second and
> > third paragraph
> > below.? You can complain about Rick all you want,
> > but its not going
> > to?do any good.? It isn't going to change him.?
> > Judging by the
> > responses here, people agree with you, but it makes
> > me want to ask
> > that question we Washingtonian's ask when things get
> > tense - "How
> > bout them Mariners?"
> > >
> > > So, does anyone?have any crias due soon?? My first
> > one this year is
> > due in August.??The mom-to-be?is?the first female
> > cria born on my
> > farm.? Makes me feel old - well, just about
> > everything makes me feel
> > old these days, but this makes me feel older :)? I'm
> > pretty excited,
> > although she is quite the spitter now, I can just
> > imagine how she's
> > going to be with a baby at side.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Heidi Christensen
> > > WingNut Farm Alpacas
> > > Graham WA
> > > (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> > > www.wingnut-alpacas.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Attitude change in pregnant females

Dennis,

That niceness is just because she isn't pregnant
anymore. It is very likely that as soon as you breed
her again, she will become unfriendly again.

We have been raising alpacas for 10 years and there
are VERY few who are still nice after confirming
pregnancy.

Stephanie

Stardust Alpacas
--- Dennis Parker <denniswparker@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey Heidi,
>
> Just saw this in the digests today (don't generally
> read these over
> the weekend) and feel compelled to respond.
>
> We are in the same situation with our first female
> born to us (not on
> our farm) having her first cria this year. She
> actually just had the
> cria April 23rd. Mom was the sweetest girl on our
> farm before she got
> pregnant. We read about people that could tell by
> the attitude change
> when their girl got pregnant and that was sure the
> case with this
> one. She turned a complete 180 degrees in
> personality. She would want
> to spit and every body if they came near her, she
> would kick at us we
> stepped too close, fortunatly she doesn't have much
> power in her kick
> and we learned quickly to stay in the right place.
> Then she had her
> cria and he didn't do well. I pulled him into the
> house to warm him
> up and bottle feed him the first night. (like
> someone else posting
> here) Then when I took him back to Miss Kicks-A-Lot
> I helped baby
> find his way to mom to nurse. She didn't spit at me,
> she didn't kick
> even when I touched her back legs. She was back to
> being the kindest,
> sweetest girl again. Just like that. She is fine
> again, sweet and
> kind. So when we rebreed her we will see how her
> attitude changes, if
> it does.
>
> I know that this is not a guarantee about how your
> girl will behave,
> but have hope, she may not be so spitty after the
> cria is born.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dennis Parker
> Fancy Fiber Farm
> La Center, WA
> http://fancyfiber.com
> http://alpaca-search.com
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Radched@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Heather,
> >
> > What I mean is basically the whole second and
> third paragraph
> below.? You can complain about Rick all you want,
> but its not going
> to?do any good.? It isn't going to change him.?
> Judging by the
> responses here, people agree with you, but it makes
> me want to ask
> that question we Washingtonian's ask when things get
> tense - "How
> bout them Mariners?"
> >
> > So, does anyone?have any crias due soon?? My first
> one this year is
> due in August.??The mom-to-be?is?the first female
> cria born on my
> farm.? Makes me feel old - well, just about
> everything makes me feel
> old these days, but this makes me feel older :)? I'm
> pretty excited,
> although she is quite the spitter now, I can just
> imagine how she's
> going to be with a baby at side.
> >
> >
> >
> > Heidi Christensen
> > WingNut Farm Alpacas
> > Graham WA
> > (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> > www.wingnut-alpacas.com
> >
> >
>
>
>

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