alpacas: 11/18/08

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [alpacapolitics] AC and other thoughts

I am MUCH happier with this site and the others, I don't even miss
Alpacasite one bit. Its a sad scene there when everyone is afraid to say what they
really think and everyone restricts what they say in each email, you can tell.
In my book, that is a violation of the First Amendment.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

===================

In a message dated 11/18/2008 10:02:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

I know, it is very sad.

Allison and Susan, I have also been moderated, banned, re-joined,
moderated, perma-moderated, banned again, rejoined Alpaca Site. Now,
actually, with my "zeleny" yahoo id, I am allowed to read AS but
posting privileges are terminated.

Long story, but what got me perma-moderated for the last time was that
Rick one time said, I didn't like the old Heather, I do like the new
Heather. If I saw you at a show, I'd give you a hug. Ladeeda, Things
were lovely for a time, then the whole spot topic came up. White spots
on color, colored spots on white. Don't ever breed to them or buy one!
It could spell the end of civilization as we know it or something.
Yadda yadda yadda. And Rick was right in there lock-step with MS and IW
on this "issue". So I said, "But wait, Rick, you have a white sire with
a colored spot! Do you plan to stop using him, or stop offering his
services?" And then I said that I had one, too, and I certainly planned
to use him.

No response. Then, I suddenly couldn't post any more. So you just can't
deal with some people. I think he lost one his oars altogether.

But fortunately, we have groups like this one where we CAN talk about
all issues in the industry, and we don't have to kow-tow to those other
moderators. Now if we can just convince all the people who carefully
watch every post and measure their words so as to not displease the
masters, to come on over here instead!

Heather

Look! No sig block! How will you ever find out who I am! Anarchy!

On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

> Hi Heather.it's funny, but rather sad. We need to be able to discuss
> important issues in a calm manner.which I have done.so why the thought
> police?
>
> You can't tell me that a single line of a cut and pasted sig block
> omitted
> is truly a reason to ban me this month.when it was left off early last
> month.
>
> No.someone does not like the content of my posts, in all probability.
>
> But, as there are lots of other places to post.and most folks know
> how to
> get to several.it is at best ineffectual.
>
> Sorry I didn't respond sooner.I'm working late shifts all week so
> just got
> home.
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA <---- (that's what was omitted!)

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [alpacapolitics] AC and other thoughts

I know, it is very sad.

Allison and Susan, I have also been moderated, banned, re-joined,
moderated, perma-moderated, banned again, rejoined Alpaca Site. Now,
actually, with my "zeleny" yahoo id, I am allowed to read AS but
posting privileges are terminated.

Long story, but what got me perma-moderated for the last time was that
Rick one time said, I didn't like the old Heather, I do like the new
Heather. If I saw you at a show, I'd give you a hug. Ladeeda, Things
were lovely for a time, then the whole spot topic came up. White spots
on color, colored spots on white. Don't ever breed to them or buy one!
It could spell the end of civilization as we know it or something.
Yadda yadda yadda. And Rick was right in there lock-step with MS and IW
on this "issue". So I said, "But wait, Rick, you have a white sire with
a colored spot! Do you plan to stop using him, or stop offering his
services?" And then I said that I had one, too, and I certainly planned
to use him.

No response. Then, I suddenly couldn't post any more. So you just can't
deal with some people. I think he lost one his oars altogether.

But fortunately, we have groups like this one where we CAN talk about
all issues in the industry, and we don't have to kow-tow to those other
moderators. Now if we can just convince all the people who carefully
watch every post and measure their words so as to not displease the
masters, to come on over here instead!

Heather

Look! No sig block! How will you ever find out who I am! Anarchy!

On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

> Hi Heather.it's funny, but rather sad. We need to be able to discuss
> important issues in a calm manner.which I have done.so why the thought
> police?
>
> You can't tell me that a single line of a cut and pasted sig block
> omitted
> is truly a reason to ban me this month.when it was left off early last
> month.
>
> No.someone does not like the content of my posts, in all probability.
>
> But, as there are lots of other places to post.and most folks know
> how to
> get to several.it is at best ineffectual.
>
> Sorry I didn't respond sooner.I'm working late shifts all week so
> just got
> home.
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA <---- (that's what was omitted!)

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [alpacapolitics] AC and other thoughts

Hi Heather.it's funny, but rather sad. We need to be able to discuss
important issues in a calm manner.which I have done.so why the thought
police?

You can't tell me that a single line of a cut and pasted sig block omitted
is truly a reason to ban me this month.when it was left off early last
month.

No.someone does not like the content of my posts, in all probability.

But, as there are lots of other places to post.and most folks know how to
get to several.it is at best ineffectual.

Sorry I didn't respond sooner.I'm working late shifts all week so just got
home.

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA <---- (that's what was omitted!)

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:50 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [alpacapolitics] AC and other thoughts

Oh, too funny, Allison! Is that really what it has come to???

I was even banned from Alpaca Politics last year. I have another
account with which I lurk and read, both on Alpacasite and Alpaca
Politics.

Heather

PS. I leave off my sig block if I've posted numerous times already in
the same day, or the previous day...

On Nov 18, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

>
> PS.don't expect to see many of my posts. Lisa banned me last night
> from
> Alpacasite for leaving out the "Santa Clara, CA" from a post back in
> early
> October. Also.and more importantly, I need to get to work! (All I can
> say
> about her is, "Oh, Pleassssseeeeee!")
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: [alpacapolitics] AC and other thoughts

I was banned for life probably from Alpacasite with no warning or even
notice for posting a nasty email Rick sent me. What a crock that there are "other
moderators", there aren't. Join the club, its a good one! I don't miss it
at all.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

In a message dated 11/18/2008 9:50:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

Oh, too funny, Allison! Is that really what it has come to???

I was even banned from Alpaca Politics last year. I have another
account with which I lurk and read, both on Alpacasite and Alpaca
Politics.

Heather

PS. I leave off my sig block if I've posted numerous times already in
the same day, or the previous day...

On Nov 18, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

>
> PS.don't expect to see many of my posts. Lisa banned me last night
> from
> Alpacasite for leaving out the "Santa Clara, CA" from a post back in
> early
> October. Also.and more importantly, I need to get to work! (All I can
> say
> about her is, "Oh, Pleassssseeeeee! a
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA

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Yahoo is trying out new thingies for their groups, apparently. I've
enabled an Advertising section and People and Places Maps features. So
now, all of our group members can feel free to post to their heart's
content all of their alpaca related items and services!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Bobcat! We have a Panther in Northeastern Oho

A panther has been sighted not far from our farm. We have heard them
along time ago, but nothing for quiet a few years. Now at least one
is back. Our dog has been carring on a lot at night. I keep telling
my husband that we need a second dog, but he keeps saying No.
I am glad we have Luke. I think he scares animals away with his bark!

Reynne
Alpaca Dreams Farm
Louisville OH

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "dreamwoodalpacas" <faileflys@...>
wrote:
>
> Janice,
>
> It was a difficult choice to kill her, she'd been stalking our
> property for a month or two and had already killed one chicken,
> however, when I found her in the barn... That said--it is very
> unlikely that a bobcat would go after a full grown alpaca. They
> primarily eat rodents, rabbits, and things of that size. However,
if
> the alpaca tried to stomp the bobcat, it would defend itself, which
> is likely how yours got hurt. If the bobcat was inside the
fenceline,
> I'd do some serious walking of the line to find out how it got in--
> mine came in under the fence where my house cats dug themselves an
> indentation to get more easily to the catnip which decided to grow
> outside the fence... Holes under the fence, gates, and overhanging
> tree branches are the most likely routes. Fix 'em and the cat
likely
> won't bother--it isn't hunting the alpacas but the rodents and
birds.
> In my area, the only reason the bobcat was so close to the house
was
> we are overrun with them and hunting is scarce--a barn with
> scrumptious mice/chipmunks seems like an easy meal. The rodents are
> there b/c it is safe and there is grain spill since I've had the
> housecats (rodent hunters) and chickens (grain spill cleaners)
locked
> up since I saw the bobcat--an evil circle :)
>
> Anyway, IMO, you have more to fear from the wrong type of dog (no
b/c
> it is a pound dog, but b/c of the prey drive most breeds that end
up
> in the pound have) than the bobcat. Work on securing the property.
>
> Just a thought..
> Morgen
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, houckj@ wrote:
> >
> > <<I've gotten slightly more practiucal since. We had to shoot a
> bobcat
> > that was IN MY BARN!!! the other night. My bf and a friend did
skin
> > that and now it's (ugh!) in my freezer until we find a tannery.
> > Still, the emotional connection isn't there...
> > >>
> >
> >
> > OK, speaking of bobcats, just before/almost dusk last night,
> standing at
> > the kitchen sink I saw something I could not quite identify
walking
> the
> > back horse pasture fence. Alarmed enough to grab my binoculars
and
> lo
> > and behold just as I feared it was a sizable bobcat strolling
just
> > inside the fence line headed towards the woods. Holy cow. I no
> longer
> > have any doubts about what happened to my duck and alpacas this
> summer
> > (the horrible neck wounds and the eye slashed a few weeks later).
> >
> > I remembered Morgen saying this (above); but this guy was gone
> before I
> > could have gotten it together to even find my gun, ammo, and get
> out
> > there. It's been so long since I shot a gun anyway I couldn't
have
> hit
> > him. But not sure I have could actually done it anyway. I have
> never
> > killed a living creature and used to care for exotic cats at an
> exotic
> > animal sanctuary in S FL. But if it had to come down to a choice
> > between my alpacas and the bobcat, well that is a no brainer.
> >
> > Every outside light I have was left on last night. I didn't
sleep
> a
> > wink and couldn't wait to get up and out this morning to check on
> > everyone. All is well. But I will not rest easy now. Back to
> > considering pasture dogs; but what info I gathered this summer
> after the
> > severe injuries was so mixed as to make to stop considering.
> Wonder if
> > just some yard dogs from the Rescue would work good enough, and
not
> risk
> > having something actually in with the livestock?
> >
> > I am wondering about seeing him out and about before dark? Once
I
> saw a
> > fox cross my property in broad daylight and was told he was
likely
> rabid
> > as foxes don't normally come out in the daytime; or that he was
> starving
> > and seeking food for him/herself or babies.
> >
> > Warmly, Janice
> >
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Bobcat!

Janice,

It was a difficult choice to kill her, she'd been stalking our
property for a month or two and had already killed one chicken,
however, when I found her in the barn... That said--it is very
unlikely that a bobcat would go after a full grown alpaca. They
primarily eat rodents, rabbits, and things of that size. However, if
the alpaca tried to stomp the bobcat, it would defend itself, which
is likely how yours got hurt. If the bobcat was inside the fenceline,
I'd do some serious walking of the line to find out how it got in--
mine came in under the fence where my house cats dug themselves an
indentation to get more easily to the catnip which decided to grow
outside the fence... Holes under the fence, gates, and overhanging
tree branches are the most likely routes. Fix 'em and the cat likely
won't bother--it isn't hunting the alpacas but the rodents and birds.
In my area, the only reason the bobcat was so close to the house was
we are overrun with them and hunting is scarce--a barn with
scrumptious mice/chipmunks seems like an easy meal. The rodents are
there b/c it is safe and there is grain spill since I've had the
housecats (rodent hunters) and chickens (grain spill cleaners) locked
up since I saw the bobcat--an evil circle :)

Anyway, IMO, you have more to fear from the wrong type of dog (no b/c
it is a pound dog, but b/c of the prey drive most breeds that end up
in the pound have) than the bobcat. Work on securing the property.

Just a thought..
Morgen

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, houckj@... wrote:
>
> <<I've gotten slightly more practiucal since. We had to shoot a
bobcat
> that was IN MY BARN!!! the other night. My bf and a friend did skin
> that and now it's (ugh!) in my freezer until we find a tannery.
> Still, the emotional connection isn't there...
> >>
>
>
> OK, speaking of bobcats, just before/almost dusk last night,
standing at
> the kitchen sink I saw something I could not quite identify walking
the
> back horse pasture fence. Alarmed enough to grab my binoculars and
lo
> and behold just as I feared it was a sizable bobcat strolling just
> inside the fence line headed towards the woods. Holy cow. I no
longer
> have any doubts about what happened to my duck and alpacas this
summer
> (the horrible neck wounds and the eye slashed a few weeks later).
>
> I remembered Morgen saying this (above); but this guy was gone
before I
> could have gotten it together to even find my gun, ammo, and get
out
> there. It's been so long since I shot a gun anyway I couldn't have
hit
> him. But not sure I have could actually done it anyway. I have
never
> killed a living creature and used to care for exotic cats at an
exotic
> animal sanctuary in S FL. But if it had to come down to a choice
> between my alpacas and the bobcat, well that is a no brainer.
>
> Every outside light I have was left on last night. I didn't sleep
a
> wink and couldn't wait to get up and out this morning to check on
> everyone. All is well. But I will not rest easy now. Back to
> considering pasture dogs; but what info I gathered this summer
after the
> severe injuries was so mixed as to make to stop considering.
Wonder if
> just some yard dogs from the Rescue would work good enough, and not
risk
> having something actually in with the livestock?
>
> I am wondering about seeing him out and about before dark? Once I
saw a
> fox cross my property in broad daylight and was told he was likely
rabid
> as foxes don't normally come out in the daytime; or that he was
starving
> and seeking food for him/herself or babies.
>
> Warmly, Janice
>

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