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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: skirting a pinto huacaya fleece

Thanks to everyone who has answered on this thread. I will try plastic sheeting when rolling and I have cleaned it up as much as I dare, leaving the white edges…just a hint here and there as most of her white is tummy or armpit because the blanket comes well down on the sides. So, that leaves just a "collar" worth at the neck and up over the tail set, but it is pinto. Now, let us hope that this fleece has some competitive value. It is always nice to have an opinion from outside of the pasture; it is too easy to become "barn blind" when working with the animals daily!

Allison E. Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

408/248-3581

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Ross
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 6:07 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: skirting a pinto huacaya fleece

While I definitely would try to remove as many second cuts as possible, I wouldn't worry too much about the cross contamination of colors. The judges can tell the difference, for example, between white strands sticking to the surface of the darker color (from folding and rolling the fleece) as opposed to white strands growing through or mixed into the darker color (true color "contamination"). I'd also be leery of picking too much or you'll mess up the bundling characteristics of the fleece.

Good luck,
Cheryl Ross
Mount Ampato Alpacas, LLC
9531 Millard Rd.
Trotwood, OH 45426
937-837-6748
cheryl@mtampato.com <mailto:cheryl%40mtampato.com>
www.alpacanation.com/mountampato.asp

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: skirting a pinto huacaya fleece

While I definitely would try to remove as many second cuts as possible, I wouldn't worry too much about the cross contamination of colors. The judges can tell the difference, for example, between white strands sticking to the surface of the darker color (from folding and rolling the fleece) as opposed to white strands growing through or mixed into the darker color (true color "contamination"). I'd also be leery of picking too much or you'll mess up the bundling characteristics of the fleece.

Good luck,
Cheryl Ross
Mount Ampato Alpacas, LLC
9531 Millard Rd.
Trotwood, OH 45426
937-837-6748
cheryl@mtampato.com
www.alpacanation.com/mountampato.asp

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: skirting a pinto huacaya fleece

Why not place plastic sheeting on top of the fiber before rolling it
up? It seems to me this would hold it from coming in contact with the
other colors.

Kathleen Lesperance

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] skirting a pinto huacaya fleece...repost

My experience with multi & grays is that they have their own classes in fleece shows. If you skirt off all the odd color
it would be in a solid class which is not what you want. Multis get a zero or low score in uniformity of color depending on the judge, but they are consistent on their scores in the class. I have worked many fleece shows to gain experience & this is what I have seen. Good Luck!!

Robin

Kellogg's Alpacas Robin Kellogg 3071 Pixley Hill Rd Scio, Ny 14880 585.593.4982
www.kelloggsalpacas.com
Raising Alpacas of Color



To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: aemoss17@comcast.netDate: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:44:39 -0700Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] skirting a pinto huacaya fleece...repost

Hi Amanda,I understand you.but I'm wondering how the judges know it is a p into if weskirt off all the white? Isn't it by definition necessary to leave some ofit?Such a wonderful fleece to work with and so very, very soft.just likepashima or quiviit.but even softer. I wonder if it is worth it in the end,but I'd like to show it off somehow before I spin it up! Last year theshearer made one shallow cut right in the middle of the saddle so we couldnot show it and the year before we had a different shearer who insisted onshearing them standing.her first shearing.and so when she bucked and jumped,it flew down about her legs in pieces and chunks.so could not be shown. I'dlike to get just one chance to see how the hand stacks up against similarfleeces---even with the light crimp and not the most dense! It would be nice if some other folks would chime in as well.I thank you fortaking the time to answer.you were the only one.Best Regards,AllisonFrom: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Amanda PoynerSent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:31 AMTo: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] skirting a pinto huacaya fleece...repostHi Allison,If it were me, I think I'd try going back beyond the margin between brown and white, right into the brown by half to one inch; whatever was necessary to do a clean job of seperating the colours in one hit, without fiddling with individual fibres. They just tend to float about in the air and seem attracted back to the fleece.Does this make sense; I hope so. Good luck.Best WishesAmandaBarton AlpacasSomerset, EnglandAllison Moss-Fritch wrote:>> Hello list,>> I'm still hoping that someone out here can help me with skirting a pinto> huacaya fleece.No matter how hard I try, it seems as if I'm skirting out> most of the white edge fiber and leaving the bayblack "saddle" > fiber.but the> little bits of white and the neps and second cuts are white on black and> black on white.I have spent as much as six hours dampening fingers and> picking single fibers off the opposite color..only to find that, upon> folding for bagging.I've totally recontaminated the fleece. No wonder I> don't see many in the pinto classes at shows.>> I dearly want to show this fleece. This is a fleece from a production> girl.her crimp is not the most obvious, but she makes up for it by having> the best hand on the farm, bar none. Her fleece is in hit 4th shearing and> is still under 20 microns in the darker portion with lovely luster and> staple length. It is not the most dense, however.but it is worthy of > notice> if I could figure out how to skirt it!>> Allison E. Moss-Fritch>> New Moon Alpacas>> Santa Clara, CA>> 408/248-3581>> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com <http://www.newmoonalpacas.com>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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