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Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

hi - i haven't heard this story, how did i miss it? but i guess i really don't need the details, the info provided is enough - i will phone in the morning and make a donation - and give my babies an extra cuddle........
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni BC
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

Hi Allison and everyone,
I just got a message from Cooki. She said they just passed $3400,
donations ranged from $5 to $1000 from 82 farms in 30 states and 2
countries. I think I'll write to Rob Bruce and Michele Armour to see if
maybe Rob could mention this to his "The View" friends...

> We just passed $3,400 with donations from 82 farms in 30 states and 2
> countries. Donations have ranged from $5 to $1,000!!! We have
> already secured the contact information to post the new reward and
> alert the media for hopefully more exposure of the case and the
> increased reward.
>
> No reason this fund can't reach a tidy sum, and someone just might not
> be able to hold back information. We have already been asking donors
> and others to please forward the reward fund information to their own
> client and personal alpaca mailing lists. The wider the circulation
> of the horrible story, the more people may realize that Arianne could
> just as easily have been their baby.
>
> Thanks again for the assistance.
>
> Jess & Cookie
>
> Jess & Cookie Bowers
> Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
> Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
> 11006 N 92nd East Ave
> Owasso, OK 74055-6531
> (918) 327-3519
> Fax (918) 272-0969
> WWW.Acresoflove.com
>

And here's the info for donations:
> PLEASE... as you hug your cria, think of little Arianne, who will
> share no hugs. Support the Alpaca Reward Fund.
>
> We'll take your commitment in any form... send checks made out to
> "Alpaca Reward Fund" Or, call us and we can put your donation on your
> credit card. PayPal funds can be sent to jess@acresoflove.com. With
> YOUR support we can do this! If this fund should be unclaimed, all
> donors will be consulted as to disposition, including possibilities
> such as funding ARF, replacing Tana's cria or value, etc.
>
> Checks should be made payable to Alpaca Reward Fund and mailed to:
>
> Jess & Cookie Bowers
> Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
> 11006 N 92nd East Ave
> Owasso, OK 74055-6531
>
> Credit card contributions should be phoned to:
>
> Cookie Bowers 918-327-3519
>
> PayPal funds should be sent to: jess@acresoflove.com
>
> Thanks everyone!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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posted by Chaddo at 8:36 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

Hi Allison and everyone,
I just got a message from Cooki. She said they just passed $3400,
donations ranged from $5 to $1000 from 82 farms in 30 states and 2
countries. I think I'll write to Rob Bruce and Michele Armour to see if
maybe Rob could mention this to his "The View" friends...

> We just passed $3,400 with donations from 82 farms in 30 states and 2
> countries. Donations have ranged from $5 to $1,000!!! We have
> already secured the contact information to post the new reward and
> alert the media for hopefully more exposure of the case and the
> increased reward.
>
> No reason this fund can't reach a tidy sum, and someone just might not
> be able to hold back information. We have already been asking donors
> and others to please forward the reward fund information to their own
> client and personal alpaca mailing lists. The wider the circulation
> of the horrible story, the more people may realize that Arianne could
> just as easily have been their baby.
>
> Thanks again for the assistance.
>
> Jess & Cookie
>
> Jess & Cookie Bowers
> Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
> Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
> 11006 N 92nd East Ave
> Owasso, OK 74055-6531
> (918) 327-3519
> Fax (918) 272-0969
> WWW.Acresoflove.com
>

And here's the info for donations:
> PLEASE... as you hug your cria, think of little Arianne, who will
> share no hugs. Support the Alpaca Reward Fund.
>
> We'll take your commitment in any form... send checks made out to
> "Alpaca Reward Fund" Or, call us and we can put your donation on your
> credit card. PayPal funds can be sent to jess@acresoflove.com. With
> YOUR support we can do this! If this fund should be unclaimed, all
> donors will be consulted as to disposition, including possibilities
> such as funding ARF, replacing Tana's cria or value, etc.
>
> Checks should be made payable to Alpaca Reward Fund and mailed to:
>
> Jess & Cookie Bowers
> Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
> 11006 N 92nd East Ave
> Owasso, OK 74055-6531
>
> Credit card contributions should be phoned to:
>
> Cookie Bowers 918-327-3519
>
> PayPal funds should be sent to: jess@acresoflove.com
>
> Thanks everyone!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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posted by Chaddo at 7:39 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

Heather,

You are not the only one who did not donate yet. I'm waiting for the next
paycheck. I just started automatic deposit and I wanted to be sure it was
really deposited, so I did not do it over the holiday weekend. But, on
Monday, I will donate. It does not have to be a lot. It is like
raindrops….if enough of us do it, there will be a "flood" of money to fund
the reward.

Best Regards to everyone here,

Allison E. Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

408/248-3581

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:20 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

Ok, in case that link didn't work, here's a TinyUrl link to the same
page:
http://tinyurl.com/2mvn9e

Again, flag the jek and report him and any other posts/videos of this
genre to customer service. Also, someone mentioned SPCA, PETA, you name
it! My state of Oregon has a "Zero Tolerance" for animal abuse (of
course budget has a lot to with the actual enforcement, but it's a
start) and I think we all need to speak out every time we see something
like this happening!

Also, please take time to donate to the reward fund to find the
complete monsters who beheaded Tana Ward's cria. Whatever you can
afford, $10, $15, $25, $50... I am guilty of not donating anything yet.
If every alpaca breeder in the country donates even $10, I'm sure that
will be enough to encourage someone to talk. "If you're not part of the
solution, you're part of the problem." I'm not finger pointing, I have
sat on my rear and not donated, yet, either.

It's like in the 80s a friend of mine said she didn't recycle bottles
and cans, because, what difference can one person (with a husband and 3
kids) make? Well, we all know, it is up to each and every one of us
make that difference. If everyone waits for someone else to do it,
nothing gets done. But if each of us gives our bit, however small, it
adds up to a very large difference!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas..com/ <http://www.westwindalpacas.com/>
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

On Nov 25, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> I know many of you have already seen/heardof this video on Myspace.com
> of the idiot kid riding an alpaca.
> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
> fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=745896
>
> He says he's 18 and lives in Australia, and on his other videos (the
> peacock chasing one) he and his friends do have an Australian accent.
> While you may add comments and rate his videos, I recommend flagging
> them as inappropriate. It's under the video itself, the very last
> option (of course) with the red Ø next to it. I also wrote to
> MySpace.com customer service and complained about this type of content
> being allowed on their server, This is not free speech, or pranks like
> you see Johnny Knoxville and friends doing on Jackass (they only hurt
> themselves and each other), this is animal abuse.
>
> I invite everyone else to do the same, just giving it a thumbs down
> won't really do much, and really, making comments on the idiot's page
> won't either.
>
> Best,
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 7:08 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

Ok, in case that link didn't work, here's a TinyUrl link to the same
page:
http://tinyurl.com/2mvn9e

Again, flag the jek and report him and any other posts/videos of this
genre to customer service. Also, someone mentioned SPCA, PETA, you name
it! My state of Oregon has a "Zero Tolerance" for animal abuse (of
course budget has a lot to with the actual enforcement, but it's a
start) and I think we all need to speak out every time we see something
like this happening!

Also, please take time to donate to the reward fund to find the
complete monsters who beheaded Tana Ward's cria. Whatever you can
afford, $10, $15, $25, $50... I am guilty of not donating anything yet.
If every alpaca breeder in the country donates even $10, I'm sure that
will be enough to encourage someone to talk. "If you're not part of the
solution, you're part of the problem." I'm not finger pointing, I have
sat on my rear and not donated, yet, either.

It's like in the 80s a friend of mine said she didn't recycle bottles
and cans, because, what difference can one person (with a husband and 3
kids) make? Well, we all know, it is up to each and every one of us
make that difference. If everyone waits for someone else to do it,
nothing gets done. But if each of us gives our bit, however small, it
adds up to a very large difference!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

On Nov 25, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

> I know many of you have already seen/heardof this video on Myspace.com
> of the idiot kid riding an alpaca.
> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
> fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=745896
>
> He says he's 18 and lives in Australia, and on his other videos (the
> peacock chasing one) he and his friends do have an Australian accent.
> While you may add comments and rate his videos, I recommend flagging
> them as inappropriate. It's under the video itself, the very last
> option (of course) with the red Ø next to it. I also wrote to
> MySpace.com customer service and complained about this type of content
> being allowed on their server, This is not free speech, or pranks like
> you see Johnny Knoxville and friends doing on Jackass (they only hurt
> themselves and each other), this is animal abuse.
>
> I invite everyone else to do the same, just giving it a thumbs down
> won't really do much, and really, making comments on the idiot's page
> won't either.
>
> Best,
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 6:19 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] alpaca abuse

I know many of you have already seen/heardof this video on Myspace.com
of the idiot kid riding an alpaca.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=745896

He says he's 18 and lives in Australia, and on his other videos (the
peacock chasing one) he and his friends do have an Australian accent.
While you may add comments and rate his videos, I recommend flagging
them as inappropriate. It's under the video itself, the very last
option (of course) with the red Ø next to it. I also wrote to
MySpace.com customer service and complained about this type of content
being allowed on their server, This is not free speech, or pranks like
you see Johnny Knoxville and friends doing on Jackass (they only hurt
themselves and each other), this is animal abuse.

I invite everyone else to do the same, just giving it a thumbs down
won't really do much, and really, making comments on the idiot's page
won't either.

Best,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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posted by Chaddo at 4:54 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion


Hi Wendy,

Have you tried alfalfa hay for your skinny girls?  I feed my nursing moms and skinny older girls alfalfa (I have horses, so have on hand anyway), but not so much the pellets etc.  I figure they should get the majority of their calories from hay.  My vet also did suggest increasing the pellets, but when I started adding alfalfa, it helped.  Others suggest flax seed, soaked or shredded beet pulp, Calf Manna (or whatever generic form available) etc.

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Edwards <wendy.edwards@shaw.ca>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

hi Heather - i for one would like to talk about feed - i was really interested recently to hear about giving crias karo syrup or whipping cream - i've never heard of either as a feed for alpacas - but then i dont have anyone to really discus these things with, either. I know i've received some really careless advice in the past from sellers, so i don't go back to these sources but i've learned a lot, and am still learning - the biggest thing i've learned is i don't want my animals getting "that'll do" care

I think my mom's are too thin - they are all still nursing and are also pregnant - i give them good quality hay, alpaca pellets with some dairy feed (with molasses) mixed in, plus free access minerals - i know i feed more than some foks recommend, but my girls are certainly not obese. They are also wormed regularly. I would really like to put some weight on these moms - i live in BC, and buy the alpaca pellett feed sold here - i've seen other "specialty" alpaca feeds advertised but don't know where i can buy it

any advice on this subject would be very much appreciated.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

Hello all,
I just want to let everyone know that you are all free to discuss at
length, on this true forum, the merits and/or shortcomings of any feed
product. If anyone wants more information about a feeding philosophy,
program, product, please ask or explain!

Learning can only be accomplished by discussion. If the same point is
rehashed umpteen times, so be it! If the same argument is voiced
umpteen times as well, so be it!

I do not believe in shutting down discussions because one side has a
divergent opinion from mine.

Best regards,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

Hi Wendy,
I would make a blanket statement and say that a bit of Karo syrup is
given to very new crias is they are lethargic as an energy boost. If
newborns haven't nursed enough they can quickly become hypoglycemic and
can become very compromised very quickly. I don't think I'd give
routinely by any means. In fact, we've never done, although I had one
this year probably could have used it since she spent a week at OSU.

For bottle babies, we make a mix of goat milk, organic yogurt, and
whipping cream. We feel that babies can use the probiotics in the
yogurt, and the whipping cream is for making sure they put on weight.
Babies need a lot of fat for energy for growth and for building the
nervous system and brain. Another breeder recommends lowfat or skim
milk and yogurt for his bottle mix, but we feel high-fat for bottle
babies is required.

Heather

On Nov 25, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Wendy Edwards wrote:

> hi Heather - i for one would like to talk about feed - i was really
> interested recently to hear about giving crias karo syrup or whipping
> cream - i've never heard of either as a feed for alpacas - but then i
> dont have anyone to really discus these things with, either. I know
> i've received some really careless advice in the past from sellers, so
> i don't go back to these sources but i've learned a lot, and am still
> learning - the biggest thing i've learned is i don't want my animals
> getting "that'll do" care
>
> I think my mom's are too thin - they are all still nursing and are
> also pregnant - i give them good quality hay, alpaca pellets with some
> dairy feed (with molasses) mixed in, plus free access minerals - i
> know i feed more than some foks recommend, but my girls are certainly
> not obese. They are also wormed regularly. I would really like to put
> some weight on these moms - i live in BC, and buy the alpaca pellett
> feed sold here - i've seen other "specialty" alpaca feeds advertised
> but don't know where i can buy it
>
> any advice on this subject would be very much appreciated.
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> Port Alberni
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heather Zeleny
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:13 AM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion
>
> Hello all,
> I just want to let everyone know that you are all free to discuss at
> length, on this true forum, the merits and/or shortcomings of any feed
> product. If anyone wants more information about a feeding philosophy,
> program, product, please ask or explain!
>
> Learning can only be accomplished by discussion. If the same point is
> rehashed umpteen times, so be it! If the same argument is voiced
> umpteen times as well, so be it!
>
> I do not believe in shutting down discussions because one side has a
> divergent opinion from mine.
>
> Best regards,
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
> http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 12:34 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

hi Heather - i for one would like to talk about feed - i was really interested recently to hear about giving crias karo syrup or whipping cream - i've never heard of either as a feed for alpacas - but then i dont have anyone to really discus these things with, either. I know i've received some really careless advice in the past from sellers, so i don't go back to these sources but i've learned a lot, and am still learning - the biggest thing i've learned is i don't want my animals getting "that'll do" care

I think my mom's are too thin - they are all still nursing and are also pregnant - i give them good quality hay, alpaca pellets with some dairy feed (with molasses) mixed in, plus free access minerals - i know i feed more than some foks recommend, but my girls are certainly not obese. They are also wormed regularly. I would really like to put some weight on these moms - i live in BC, and buy the alpaca pellett feed sold here - i've seen other "specialty" alpaca feeds advertised but don't know where i can buy it

any advice on this subject would be very much appreciated.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:13 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

Hello all,
I just want to let everyone know that you are all free to discuss at
length, on this true forum, the merits and/or shortcomings of any feed
product. If anyone wants more information about a feeding philosophy,
program, product, please ask or explain!

Learning can only be accomplished by discussion. If the same point is
rehashed umpteen times, so be it! If the same argument is voiced
umpteen times as well, so be it!

I do not believe in shutting down discussions because one side has a
divergent opinion from mine.

Best regards,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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[AlpacaTalk] Feed discussion

Hello all,
I just want to let everyone know that you are all free to discuss at
length, on this true forum, the merits and/or shortcomings of any feed
product. If anyone wants more information about a feeding philosophy,
program, product, please ask or explain!

Learning can only be accomplished by discussion. If the same point is
rehashed umpteen times, so be it! If the same argument is voiced
umpteen times as well, so be it!

I do not believe in shutting down discussions because one side has a
divergent opinion from mine.

Best regards,
Heather

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
Eugene, OR

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

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