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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

what is in nursemate?

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Heather Zeleny <
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:

> I'll also add that getting some Nursemate for kids or lambs is a very
> good idea. I forget which pre-eminent alpaca vet recommends it, but I
> agree! Give as soon after delivery as possible. I had a cria that
> appeared great and fine, did well, then after a week he seemed to slow
> down. I gave him the nursemate and it perked him right up and at 10
> months of age he settled a couple of girls in his pasture! We just had
> a cria born yesterday in the evening, I gave her a dose of Nursemate
> and she's doing great!
>
> There are other very good products for new lambs and kinds on the
> market that go by the names of Nutri-Drench, and there was another one
> that I can't think of right now.
>
> Certainly your little one is dysmature and as Chuck said, has an uphill
> battle. Hopefully a combination of everyone's great suggestions will
> work! Best of luck to you and your little boy!
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> (formerly West Wind Alpacas)
> Eugene, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
> Alpaca Marketplace & Fleece Show - AOBA Certified
> Entry deadline extended to June 7, 2008! There's still time!
> June 20-22, 2008
> Lane County Fairgrounds Horse Arena
> Eugene, Oregon
> http://www.evaa-alpacas.org/
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Barb Troje wrote:
>
> > I might make a little tent of aluminum foil to reflect his body heat
> > and the
> > heating pad back on him if it is hard to keep his temp up
> >
> > careful with the Karo. I just overdid it myself and gave my cria
> > diarhea. Dr
> > Ruthanne suggested stopping the karo after the first poop. I am
> > feeding my
> > wall baby a mix of whole milk and whipping cream for caloric
> > boost.Since she
> > had a difficult delivery I tubed her the first 24 hours to be sure I
> > got the
> > colostrum in. If your boy is getting weak have your vet teach you how
> > to
> > tube him if you dont know how.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Shirley Dillon
> > <shirl.temple@verizon.net <shirl.temple%40verizon.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Didn't Rick Horn have a 29l day cria in 2006? If my memory is
> > correct,
> > > it
> > > was very small and he bottle fed it till it was strong enough to
> > nurse on
> > > its own. I think he named it Perseverance. As I remember it thrived
> > in his
> > > care. Maybe someone can talk to Rick or Patti Horn for more advice.
> > >
> > > Shirley Dillon
> > >
> > > Alpacas of Gemini Farm
> > > Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
> > >
> > > www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
> > > 908-647-2995
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Barbara Troje MD
> > Nizhoni ALpacas , Las Vegas, NM
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

--
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Nizhoni ALpacas , Las Vegas, NM

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posted by Chaddo at 11:18 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

I'll also add that getting some Nursemate for kids or lambs is a very
good idea. I forget which pre-eminent alpaca vet recommends it, but I
agree! Give as soon after delivery as possible. I had a cria that
appeared great and fine, did well, then after a week he seemed to slow
down. I gave him the nursemate and it perked him right up and at 10
months of age he settled a couple of girls in his pasture! We just had
a cria born yesterday in the evening, I gave her a dose of Nursemate
and she's doing great!

There are other very good products for new lambs and kinds on the
market that go by the names of Nutri-Drench, and there was another one
that I can't think of right now.

Certainly your little one is dysmature and as Chuck said, has an uphill
battle. Hopefully a combination of everyone's great suggestions will
work! Best of luck to you and your little boy!

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
(formerly West Wind Alpacas)
Eugene, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.alpacanation.com/whitelotus.asp
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

Alpaca Marketplace & Fleece Show - AOBA Certified
Entry deadline extended to June 7, 2008! There's still time!
June 20-22, 2008
Lane County Fairgrounds Horse Arena
Eugene, Oregon
http://www.evaa-alpacas.org/

On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Barb Troje wrote:

> I might make a little tent of aluminum foil to reflect his body heat
> and the
> heating pad back on him if it is hard to keep his temp up
>
> careful with the Karo. I just overdid it myself and gave my cria
> diarhea. Dr
> Ruthanne suggested stopping the karo after the first poop. I am
> feeding my
> wall baby a mix of whole milk and whipping cream for caloric
> boost.Since she
> had a difficult delivery I tubed her the first 24 hours to be sure I
> got the
> colostrum in. If your boy is getting weak have your vet teach you how
> to
> tube him if you dont know how.
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Shirley Dillon
> <shirl.temple@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Didn't Rick Horn have a 29l day cria in 2006? If my memory is
> correct,
> > it
> > was very small and he bottle fed it till it was strong enough to
> nurse on
> > its own. I think he named it Perseverance. As I remember it thrived
> in his
> > care. Maybe someone can talk to Rick or Patti Horn for more advice.
> >
> > Shirley Dillon
> >
> > Alpacas of Gemini Farm
> > Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
> >
> > www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
> > 908-647-2995
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Barbara Troje MD
> Nizhoni ALpacas , Las Vegas, NM
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 11:04 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

I might make a little tent of aluminum foil to reflect his body heat and the
heating pad back on him if it is hard to keep his temp up

careful with the Karo. I just overdid it myself and gave my cria diarhea. Dr
Ruthanne suggested stopping the karo after the first poop. I am feeding my
wall baby a mix of whole milk and whipping cream for caloric boost.Since she
had a difficult delivery I tubed her the first 24 hours to be sure I got the
colostrum in. If your boy is getting weak have your vet teach you how to
tube him if you dont know how.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Shirley Dillon <shirl.temple@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Didn't Rick Horn have a 29l day cria in 2006? If my memory is correct,
> it
> was very small and he bottle fed it till it was strong enough to nurse on
> its own. I think he named it Perseverance. As I remember it thrived in his
> care. Maybe someone can talk to Rick or Patti Horn for more advice.
>
> Shirley Dillon
>
> Alpacas of Gemini Farm
> Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
>
> www.alpacanation.com/geminifarm.asp
> 908-647-2995
>
>
>

--
Barbara Troje MD
Nizhoni ALpacas , Las Vegas, NM

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posted by Chaddo at 10:47 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

hi Susan - i had the same thing happen with my little guy born friday night - usually i look for the first poop so i know they've gone but with two being born at once, i didn't get to it. Then i noticed Gabriel was really lethargic on saturday, and watched as mom took him to the poop pile - he was straining but nothing came - then it dawned on me that i hadn't been as watchful as usual - so enema time and he immediately had a good healthy poop and was was running around.
I haven't been so involved with poop since my kids were in diapers, but it really is important.

and Wendy my heart goes out to you and your tiny baby - the cow colostrum pulled one of mine through last summer, and since then i've heard of the yogurt and caro syrup - Hang in there - my prayers are with you.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
Port Alberni, BC
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Szabo
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

Hi Wendy,

I have no experience with tiny cria at all. But you mentioned your baby seems to eat less and less, and thought I'd share what I have noticed today. My 3 days old baby girl was getting less active this afternoon, and as I was watching her, she was not nursing for 2-3 hours, then I noticed that even mom took her to the poop pile encouraging her, she only urinated, and could not produce any feces. After couple of her tries I decided to give her an enema. She produced a nice bunch of feces, and she started to nurse big time in about 2-3 minutes, and energy came with it. ;o)

Just make sure that what goes in comes out. If it doesn't, even the healthiest, strongest cria could go down in a very short time.

I hope your baby will get stronger soon. ;o)

Susan Szabo
Pannonia Alpacas
Grants Pass, OR
http://PannoniaAlpacas.com

==============================

wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com> wrote:

I took my baby to my vet first thing after he arrived. My vet could
only tell me to put him on a heating pad and feed him goats milk, but
not to have any hope for him to live, and she said good luck. That is
when I came here to the people that I know from experience can really
help me with their experience. Thank you everybody for all of the
information you have given me. I have my boy in a playpen on a
heating pad feeding him cow closotrum with a little yogurt in it. I
take him to visit with mom every couple of hours and to milk her. I
am getting worried he does not seem to want to eat as much as before.
I am hoping it is only because he is tired. He is sleeping good now.
He might not turn out to be an award winning sire, but he already has
my heart. I was suprised that he is a fawn color because both parents
are white. Pray for us. Thank you all.

Wendy
Humming B Alpacas
Lebanon, TN

.

Susan B Szabo
Pannonia Alpacas & Kennel
ALPACAS, PULIK & KOMONDOROK
Puppies Available
Grants Pass, OR
541-862-9933
http://PannoniaAlpacas.com
http://PannoniaKennel.com

==============================

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posted by Chaddo at 10:36 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

Hi Wendy,

I have no experience with tiny cria at all. But you mentioned your baby seems to eat less and less, and thought I'd share what I have noticed today. My 3 days old baby girl was getting less active this afternoon, and as I was watching her, she was not nursing for 2-3 hours, then I noticed that even mom took her to the poop pile encouraging her, she only urinated, and could not produce any feces. After couple of her tries I decided to give her an enema. She produced a nice bunch of feces, and she started to nurse big time in about 2-3 minutes, and energy came with it. ;o)

Just make sure that what goes in comes out. If it doesn't, even the healthiest, strongest cria could go down in a very short time.

I hope your baby will get stronger soon. ;o)

Susan Szabo
Pannonia Alpacas
Grants Pass, OR
http://PannoniaAlpacas.com

==============================







wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com> wrote:


I took my baby to my vet first thing after he arrived. My vet could
only tell me to put him on a heating pad and feed him goats milk, but
not to have any hope for him to live, and she said good luck. That is
when I came here to the people that I know from experience can really
help me with their experience. Thank you everybody for all of the
information you have given me. I have my boy in a playpen on a
heating pad feeding him cow closotrum with a little yogurt in it. I
take him to visit with mom every couple of hours and to milk her. I
am getting worried he does not seem to want to eat as much as before.
I am hoping it is only because he is tired. He is sleeping good now.
He might not turn out to be an award winning sire, but he already has
my heart. I was suprised that he is a fawn color because both parents
are white. Pray for us. Thank you all.

Wendy
Humming B Alpacas
Lebanon, TN

.

Susan B Szabo
Pannonia Alpacas & Kennel
ALPACAS, PULIK & KOMONDOROK
Puppies Available
Grants Pass, OR
541-862-9933
http://PannoniaAlpacas.com
http://PannoniaKennel.com

==============================


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posted by Chaddo at 10:14 PM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

I think you are doing the right things for your cria. I don't want to
discourage you, but 6.8lbs is very small. Keep him warm. He will sleep a
lot, so just let him. Cow's colostrum and a little yoghurt sounds pretty
good to me. I would also give him a few cc's of Karo Light Syrup for
energy. For the sake of you and your heart, I sure hope he makes it.

By the way, a cria coat might be a good idea. Have you taken his
temperature? You don't want him to over heat, but keeping him warm is
critical.

Please keep us informed over the next few days.

Chuck Rademacher
Kaipara Pines Alpaca Stud
2247 South Head Road, RD 1
Helensville, New Zealand 0874
Phone: 09-420-2133 Mobile: 027-204-9406

www.alpacafarm.co.nz

-----Original Message-----
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of wnunezcruz
Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2008 3:18 p.m.
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

I took my baby to my vet first thing after he arrived. My vet could
only tell me to put him on a heating pad and feed him goats milk, but
not to have any hope for him to live, and she said good luck. That is
when I came here to the people that I know from experience can really
help me with their experience. Thank you everybody for all of the
information you have given me. I have my boy in a playpen on a
heating pad feeding him cow closotrum with a little yogurt in it. I
take him to visit with mom every couple of hours and to milk her. I
am getting worried he does not seem to want to eat as much as before.
I am hoping it is only because he is tired. He is sleeping good now.
He might not turn out to be an award winning sire, but he already has
my heart. I was suprised that he is a fawn color because both parents
are white. Pray for us. Thank you all.

Wendy
Humming B Alpacas
Lebanon, TN

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, LunarStruck@... wrote:
>
> Our 9 lb. 3 week preemie cria is doing well, she will be one month
old
> Friday. Same scenario, couldn't nurse as she was too small to even
reach her tall
> mom but did well with supplement bottle feeding and milking mom
for
> colostrum. Keep it up, we have living proof it can pay off. I
was exhausted, but it
> was worth every minute.
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music
and cats."
> - Albert Schweitzer
> =^..^=
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?
&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

Hang in there. If it's meant to be for him to make it, with your help he will. Sounds like you are doing everything possible to give him the fighting chance to make it :) Keep us posted and will be praying for him to get stronger each day.
Marsha

wnunezcruz <wnunezcruz@aol.com> wrote:


I took my baby to my vet first thing after he arrived. My vet could
only tell me to put him on a heating pad and feed him goats milk, but
not to have any hope for him to live, and she said good luck. That is
when I came here to the people that I know from experience can really
help me with their experience. Thank you everybody for all of the
information you have given me. I have my boy in a playpen on a
heating pad feeding him cow closotrum with a little yogurt in it. I
take him to visit with mom every couple of hours and to milk her. I
am getting worried he does not seem to want to eat as much as before.
I am hoping it is only because he is tired. He is sleeping good now.
He might not turn out to be an award winning sire, but he already has
my heart. I was suprised that he is a fawn color because both parents
are white. Pray for us. Thank you all.

Wendy
Humming B Alpacas
Lebanon, TN

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, LunarStruck@... wrote:
>
> Our 9 lb. 3 week preemie cria is doing well, she will be one month
old
> Friday. Same scenario, couldn't nurse as she was too small to even
reach her tall
> mom but did well with supplement bottle feeding and milking mom
for
> colostrum. Keep it up, we have living proof it can pay off. I
was exhausted, but it
> was worth every minute.
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music
and cats."
> - Albert Schweitzer
> =^..^=
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?
&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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I took my baby to my vet first thing after he arrived. My vet could
only tell me to put him on a heating pad and feed him goats milk, but
not to have any hope for him to live, and she said good luck. That is
when I came here to the people that I know from experience can really
help me with their experience. Thank you everybody for all of the
information you have given me. I have my boy in a playpen on a
heating pad feeding him cow closotrum with a little yogurt in it. I
take him to visit with mom every couple of hours and to milk her. I
am getting worried he does not seem to want to eat as much as before.
I am hoping it is only because he is tired. He is sleeping good now.
He might not turn out to be an award winning sire, but he already has
my heart. I was suprised that he is a fawn color because both parents
are white. Pray for us. Thank you all.

Wendy
Humming B Alpacas
Lebanon, TN

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, LunarStruck@... wrote:
>
> Our 9 lb. 3 week preemie cria is doing well, she will be one month
old
> Friday. Same scenario, couldn't nurse as she was too small to even
reach her tall
> mom but did well with supplement bottle feeding and milking mom
for
> colostrum. Keep it up, we have living proof it can pay off. I
was exhausted, but it
> was worth every minute.
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music
and cats."
> - Albert Schweitzer
> =^..^=
>
>
>
> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
with
> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?
&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] 6.8 lb cria 4 days past due Help!

Our 9 lb. 3 week preemie cria is doing well, she will be one month old
Friday. Same scenario, couldn't nurse as she was too small to even reach her tall
mom but did well with supplement bottle feeding and milking mom for
colostrum. Keep it up, we have living proof it can pay off. I was exhausted, but it
was worth every minute.

Susan Olson
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA

"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
- Albert Schweitzer
=^..^=

**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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