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[AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam



You will never know about the coat unless you try and in most cases I've
run into, the warmth makes tolerating the coat no problem. If there is any
likelihood of problems at this late date in her pregnancy get her into a WARM
room, if she has a real buddy put them both in, get the heat up 75*-80*F
and leave them there for 24- 48 hours to overcome the hypothermia and
re-stabilize her core temperature . She may have spent the night stretched
out on the ground instead of cushed and as the ground cooled so did she.

In the mean time with a Warm room you have her in a place where you can
check her out or have the Vet do it with a minimum of chasing and catching.
Don't forget to have a heated water bucket in there as well.

I'd love to send you warmth, we seem to have it quite early this year 89*F
for todays high, normal is in the low 70*'s. But don't be envious according
to Farmers' Almanace we are due for another winter Like out last 2 ^feet of
snow and cold that never let up.
Wishing you the best of luck:

D. McLaughlin
Black Pearl Farm
Colbert, WA 99005

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering.>.....>>>>>.......>>>SNIP>>>...........>>>>>>
> Susan
>
> !
> Susan Forman
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam



Thanks Mary Jane...I needed that! Of course, I worry, but I honestly don't see anything amiss with this girl. If anything, she tends to be fat! But pregnancy does funny things to us females......those hormones are killers, fer shure! It's just that I have never seen one shiver more than a  couple of days past shearing......but there's always a first for everything!...and I'm going with that!
 
I commend you for putting your long johns away.......I have a mixture of summer and winter clothes begging me to sort through them and put the cold things away (except for the few I keep out just in case) and nicely arrange the summer in drawers and hangers......maybe by July!!
 
Thanks,
Susan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam

Hi Susan, I have a dam that was shivering also, shorn 3 weeks ago and I
live in N.E. Ohio. I see her shiver any time it gets below
60F at night after she is shorn. She was E.P.E. positive and I have in
the past had thyroid checked and also blood work done sometimes she is
low on iron. I sheared 2 of mine on Sun and they have been shivering
every morning since then, just goes to show it doesn't matter when you
shear it will get cold. I just put my long johns away and I am now
waiting for it to snow!!!!!HaHa.

Mary Jane Fox
Up-Close-and-Personal-Alpaca-Shearing
Kirtland, OH
216-272-8887
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out
grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's
high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all
shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to
acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until
yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I
noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering. I've never had one do
that past the first or second day post shearing. She ate eagerly, but
still shivering. This girl also had Meningeal worm late last summer, but
no lingering effects have ever been noticed. I'm not sure whether it's
just the colder temps or something more is going on. I'm going to find
something to coat her with as soon as I'm done with this, but also just
outright concerned about her. Obviously, I'll keep a close eye on her
today since she could have this baby any day now...and also wondering if
shivering could be a sign of labor or dystocia....and concerned that she
won't tolerate the coat real well and it will be more of a liability
than a help.
>
> In any case, if anybody has any insights, I'd love to hear them! Also,
send a little sunshine my way! I'm a little down in the dumps, not to
mention I think the animals don't like this overcast yucky, wet, awful
weather either! Sunshine will warm my soul and this girls body! It's
always good to have a dose of that!
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
> !
> Susan Forman
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>

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posted by Chaddo at 5:58 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam



Hi Susan, I have a dam that was shivering also, shorn 3 weeks ago and I
live in N.E. Ohio. I see her shiver any time it gets below
60F at night after she is shorn. She was E.P.E. positive and I have in
the past had thyroid checked and also blood work done sometimes she is
low on iron. I sheared 2 of mine on Sun and they have been shivering
every morning since then, just goes to show it doesn't matter when you
shear it will get cold. I just put my long johns away and I am now
waiting for it to snow!!!!!HaHa.

Mary Jane Fox
Up-Close-and-Personal-Alpaca-Shearing
Kirtland, OH
216-272-8887
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out
grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's
high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all
shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to
acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until
yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I
noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering. I've never had one do
that past the first or second day post shearing. She ate eagerly, but
still shivering. This girl also had Meningeal worm late last summer, but
no lingering effects have ever been noticed. I'm not sure whether it's
just the colder temps or something more is going on. I'm going to find
something to coat her with as soon as I'm done with this, but also just
outright concerned about her. Obviously, I'll keep a close eye on her
today since she could have this baby any day now...and also wondering if
shivering could be a sign of labor or dystocia....and concerned that she
won't tolerate the coat real well and it will be more of a liability
than a help.
>
> In any case, if anybody has any insights, I'd love to hear them! Also,
send a little sunshine my way! I'm a little down in the dumps, not to
mention I think the animals don't like this overcast yucky, wet, awful
weather either! Sunshine will warm my soul and this girls body! It's
always good to have a dose of that!
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
> !
> Susan Forman
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam



Hi Cinda!
She's been fine all day....grazing, eating hay, staying with the herd, eating pellets tonight.....nothing unusual once the shivering stopped. No frequent potty trips......nada. I think I wrote that the OSU vet indicated torsion, but I've never seen anything to indicate that with just a little shaky shivers. Everything indicates those have more noticeable symptoms, though he indicated that she might not be in labor, but have a torsion that bothers her. I can't believe she'd eat as good all day if she had that much pain........but don't really know. I decided to just keep a close eye on her. And I'm going to do a day trip to Cleveland tomorrow unless when I go out early, she's got something else going on that makes me believe she's about to deliver. Time will tell, but I think she's okay ... and even though I can't hardly believe she got cold, you never know. ...it was pretty chilly this morning.
 
Thanks for asking about her! I'll let folks know if more develops since at least I know that a few can get that way before delivery.....thanks!
Susan
 
PS Weather wise, it's trying to clear and got to the mid 60's -- and the wind died down, so life is a little nicer!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: driwind
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam

Susan, your email came through in digest just now, late afternoon. How is your girl doing? One of my girls shivered a little in early labor. Nothing remarkable or that I worried about; I was more concerned that she seemed to be in labor at 6pm. She delivered easily the next morning.

But she also shivered a lot after delivery. I gave her 5cc calcium paste and her shivers went away. I would not have hesitated to give another 5cc if the shivers were better but not gone. You can overdose with calcium, as I recall, by giving too much all at once but not if given slowly over extended period of time.

Regardless please let us know how your girl is. Sending warm,dry West Texas sunshine your way.

Cinda Young
Driwind Farms
El Paso,TX

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering. I've never had one do that past the first or second day post shearing. She ate eagerly, but still shivering. This girl also had Meningeal worm late last summer, but no lingering effects have ever been noticed. I'm not sure whether it's just the colder temps or something more is going on. I'm going to find something to coat her with as soon as I'm done with this, but also just outright concerned about her. Obviously, I'll keep a close eye on her today since she could have this baby any day now...and also wondering if shivering could be a sign of labor or dystocia....and concerned that she won't tolerate the coat real well and it will be more of a liability than a help.
>
> In any case, if anybody has any insights, I'd love to hear them! Also, send a little sunshine my way! I'm a little down in the dumps, not to mention I think the animals don't like this overcast yucky, wet, awful weather either! Sunshine will warm my soul and this girls body! It's always good to have a dose of that!
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
> !
> Susan Forman
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: shivering dam



Susan, your email came through in digest just now, late afternoon. How is your girl doing? One of my girls shivered a little in early labor. Nothing remarkable or that I worried about; I was more concerned that she seemed to be in labor at 6pm. She delivered easily the next morning.

But she also shivered a lot after delivery. I gave her 5cc calcium paste and her shivers went away. I would not have hesitated to give another 5cc if the shivers were better but not gone. You can overdose with calcium, as I recall, by giving too much all at once but not if given slowly over extended period of time.

Regardless please let us know how your girl is. Sending warm,dry West Texas sunshine your way.

Cinda Young
Driwind Farms
El Paso,TX

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Forman" <susan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering. I've never had one do that past the first or second day post shearing. She ate eagerly, but still shivering. This girl also had Meningeal worm late last summer, but no lingering effects have ever been noticed. I'm not sure whether it's just the colder temps or something more is going on. I'm going to find something to coat her with as soon as I'm done with this, but also just outright concerned about her. Obviously, I'll keep a close eye on her today since she could have this baby any day now...and also wondering if shivering could be a sign of labor or dystocia....and concerned that she won't tolerate the coat real well and it will be more of a liability than a help.
>
> In any case, if anybody has any insights, I'd love to hear them! Also, send a little sunshine my way! I'm a little down in the dumps, not to mention I think the animals don't like this overcast yucky, wet, awful weather either! Sunshine will warm my soul and this girls body! It's always good to have a dose of that!
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>
> !
> Susan Forman
> Dewey Morning Alpacas
> Washington Court House, OH 43160
> 740-636-1899
> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] shivering dam



A bit of calcium wouldn't hurt. A friend of ours had a dam who did have milk fever several years ago. Just don't give too much. The dam of mine that I mentioned had an insanely high calcium level.


Heather


On Jun 4, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Susan Forman wrote:




Ellie:
 
I asked the vet specifically about that and he says NO -- they don't make enough milk to cause that. On the other hand, I do have a tube of calcium paste in the cabinet and was thinking about it. I guess I could try calling Ruthanne, but hate to bother her at Nationals. Heading back out now to see how things are going with her......I really don't want to drive to Columbus with her.......again, it's a stress thing that I hate to put her through at this point. At the same time, she's a doll and bred to a nice boy......and I do love her dearly, though no hugs lately due to the nasty late term pregnancy syndrome!
 
thanks so much for your suggestion! It was the one thing that occurred to me that could be easily fixable, but vet says no........but then I don't always trust the docs.......shame on me, but also helps me learn!
 
Susan
 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] shivering dam



Ellie:
 
I asked the vet specifically about that and he says NO -- they don't make enough milk to cause that. On the other hand, I do have a tube of calcium paste in the cabinet and was thinking about it. I guess I could try calling Ruthanne, but hate to bother her at Nationals. Heading back out now to see how things are going with her......I really don't want to drive to Columbus with her.......again, it's a stress thing that I hate to put her through at this point. At the same time, she's a doll and bred to a nice boy......and I do love her dearly, though no hugs lately due to the nasty late term pregnancy syndrome!
 
thanks so much for your suggestion! It was the one thing that occurred to me that could be easily fixable, but vet says no........but then I don't always trust the docs.......shame on me, but also helps me learn!
 
Susan
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] shivering dam

Susan, one of the symptoms of low calcium could be shivering.  See if she'll eat some tums or yogurt...can't hurt and might be just what she needs.  Hypocalcemia can happens in late stage pregnancy especially is calcium/phos ratio is off.  Low body temp would go along with low calcium.
 
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--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Susan Forman <susan@deweymorningalpacas.com> wrote:

From: Susan Forman <susan@deweymorningalpacas.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] shivering dam
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 11:31 AM



Thanks, Heather! I just called my OSU and that vet indicated it could be a uterine torsion....my gut says no, but I've never had a torsion or dystocia, so.........I think I'll keep a close eye on them and when they go inside shortly (if they stick to their usual routine) I'll get a temp. This girl has been extra squirrely for the past month, so I don't want to unduly stress her by isolating her to get a temp....at this point, an hour or two shouldn't make a big difference if all else seems okay otherwise. The vet did agree with me that it really shouldn't be cold....we're now up to 61 and I can't imagine being cold at that temp - or even 50 - 3 weeks post shearing.
 
Thanks again......all ideas are always welcome when something new pops up!
Susan
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] shivering dam

I haven't seen our dams shivering except when cold or sick. We've had some dystocias over the years and I don't recall shivering being  a sign.

I had a dam who had severe shivering before and after delivery 2 years ago and that cria spent a week at OSU after delivery. Antibiotics were required for dam and cria.

I'd say, at the very least, get her temp. Maybe a blood test to check for infection wouldn't be a bad idea. 


Best of luck!
Heather

Heather Zeleny
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Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece



On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Susan Forman wrote:

Hi Folks:
 
I was late getting out this morning and all of my guys were out grazing. The set-up: it's about 55 out with heavy overcast. Yesterday's high was about 57, so didn't get much colder last night. They were all shorn 3 weeks ago today, so have a tad of growth plus have had time to acclimate to the weather, though it's been decently warm until yesterday. Anyway, the girls came running in for their feed and I noticed a girl that's 343 days pregnant shivering. I've never had one do that past the first or second day post shearing. She ate eagerly, but still shivering. This girl also had Meningeal worm late last summer, but no lingering effects have ever been noticed. I'm not sure whether it's just the colder temps or something more is going on. I'm going to find something to coat her with as soon as I'm done with this, but also just outright concerned about her. Obviously, I'll keep a close eye on her today since she could have this baby any day now...and also wondering if shivering could be a sign of labor or dystocia.... and concerned that she won't tolerate the coat real well and it will be more of a liability than a help.
 
In any case, if anybody has any insights, I'd love to hear them! Also, send a little sunshine my way! I'm a little down in the dumps, not to mention I think the animals don't like this overcast yucky, wet, awful weather either! Sunshine will warm my soul and this girls body! It's always good to have a dose of that!
 
Thanks,
Susan
 
!
Susan Forman
Dewey Morning Alpacas
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899
http://www.alpacana tion.com/ deweymorning. asp
Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!



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