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posted by Chaddo at 7:19 PM
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I don't know anyone personally, but Tina Hodge at Eagle Peak Herbals helped us all those years ago, when we had the liver flukes. Also, of course, Dr. Pollard is great.
R & R Ranch LLC325B Denio Avenue
Gilroy,CA 95020Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/710-7911 A Ranch of Distinction
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posted by Chaddo at 7:17 PM
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Cool Heather, We have decided we want to set the leg as best they can, cast her and see what happens. I think herbs, good supplements and well you know will all help. I need a good alpaca herbalist to help us thru this Know of one? Robin Richard and Robin Vasquez R & R Ranch LLC 325B Denio Avenue Gilroy,CA 95020 Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/ A Ranch of Distinction www.LoveThemAlpacas.com LTA --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.
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posted by Chaddo at 6:20 PM
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Oh man. I'm so sorry! Poor baby. I wish I had some advice, I admit I'm glad I don't have personal experience with this one. We had a cria who broke a front leg and there was nerve damage but he gets around ok. I'm pretty sure growth plates weren't involved.
Hello to all.
I am looking for input from all sources. We have a 2 month old cria Female that broke her left back leg. She has a really bad spiral fracture thru the growth plates and it is also disclocated off the grown plates. Our vet is not sending her x-ray out to other vets for suggestions. He does not hold out a good outcome even if we try to plate the bones for healing. The next question is amputation. Do you know of any alpacas that have lost their back leg as such a you age and how is their life after?
Or the next hard question. Do we just put her down?
Any input is welcome as I am currently at a loss and my head is swimming.
Thanks
Robin Vasquez
R & R Ranch
Gilroy, CA
408-842-5233
408-710-0676 cell
posted by Chaddo at 5:36 PM
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Hello to all.
I am looking for input from all sources. We have a 2 month old cria Female that broke her left back leg. She has a really bad spiral fracture thru the growth plates and it is also disclocated off the grown plates. Our vet is not sending her x-ray out to other vets for suggestions. He does not hold out a good outcome even if we try to plate the bones for healing. The next question is amputation. Do you know of any alpacas that have lost their back leg as such a you age and how is their life after?
Or the next hard question. Do we just put her down?
Any input is welcome as I am currently at a loss and my head is swimming.
Thanks
Robin Vasquez
R & R Ranch
Gilroy, CA
408-842-5233
408-710-0676 cell
posted by Chaddo at 1:52 PM
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Hello all!
I have been reading some of the posts on breeders and aggressive animals.
I find this of interest because I have experienced this first hand with a female.
This female was top dog and nothing I did was going to change that!
At times she could be the gentlest Alpaca in the world and turn right around and be the worst the next day.
Anyway...
I believe that some animals like people just don't see eye to eye, no reason just don't like each other. Rub each other the wrong way so to speak.
On the other hand some farms have more resources to handle animals that are "spirited"
If I alone have to give a shot to an animal that is 170lbs that doesn't want the shot this is a "problem". If my farm has several other people to hold this animal it is not a "problem"
The "problem" is only as large as the individual perceives it.
I have been to many farms where behavior I consider to be undesirable is normal to them.
Large farms tend to have a more open view of what is acceptable then small/new farms do.
Some things to consider before purchase....
Disposition of animal and sire and dam...did offspring inherit the gentle nature or the wild/evil side. Future offspring will also.
Handle each animal as an individual, can you touch legs, feet, tail without getting kicked or pulled or spit on?
How does this animal react to you and your style of handling?
If this is a bred female when is she due? Do I want a winter birth; is my barn set up for that?
Evaluate all these and fiber, conformation, etc, then ask yourself?
Is the work I will have to put into caring for this animal in proportion to the value I will get out?
Poor planning and short sightedness makes for a rotten relationship.
Man and Beast
Tim Gray
Greenbrier Creek Alppacas
Orient,Ohio
posted by Chaddo at 10:34 AM
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<<< So sorry for your loss. Just lost
one of mine. Wild Cherry tree
leaves are very toxic when they are green.
Shirley Dillon>>>
I am so sorry for both you and Ken's loss :-(. So tragic to lose one.
I buried many before last summer when I spent $1000s to have all the
wild cherry trees removed from pastures. They were very tall and skinny
(trying to reach the sun) and I too thought it was the green leaves that
were the problem so I wasn't considering that as a possibility as they
could not possibly reach any of the leaves. Much to my sadness I was
finally told that no, the green leaves are not a problem, it is the
falling/fallen wilting and wilted leaves that are toxic, and indeed can
kill cattle (the power co contractors told me that if they are trimming
branches along a pasture they are required to enter the pasture and
remove any limbs/leaves (wild cherry or maple) that fall on that side.
Then once they are totally dry they are no longer toxic. I had too many
to keep the leaves cleaned up so I had to decimate their woods (and
shade). I hated doing it, but I have not buried an alpaca since. Thank
goodness.
I have always let my guys out into the yard for a treat and for new
"experiences"
apples alone - they *love* those leaves and fruit. They strip the side
of the apple and fig trees that they can reach from their pasture by
standing/climbing the fence. Now that that harvest season is almost
over I will likely start letting them back out again to browse. I
really enjoy seeing them roaming and pronging about the yard. We do the
same for the horses, letting them out to graze the grass in the "yard"
(10 acres). They will quickly suck up any apples they can find on the
ground, but do not eat the leaves, so I just make sure to collect any
fallen apples before I let them out.
Again, my condolences, Janice
PS After ridding myself of the wild cherry danger (btw I was told *any*
pit fruit tree wilting leaves will be just as toxic so I also removed a
wild plum in their pasture), this year the danger has been from coyote
and bobcat. Both were roaming quite close to the pastures, both front
and back earlier this year. Their voices sent frigid chills down my
spine nightly. Every night I was out several times - 1AM, and 3ishAM
doing what I came to call my "walkabout" with flashlights and my german
shepard. It was frightening and exhausting. I had had 2 bobcat attacks
in the pastures - one got a female cayuga duck and nearly killed my most
curious and personable alpaca (slashing his neck in several places right
to the bone - I can just see it in my mind's eye as he would have been
the one to go investigate what was going on when the cat was taking the
duck - not a small duck by any means and it would have been a ruckus).
About the time I got that healed up (goldenseal, diapers, and duct tape
- he was quite a sight!), a month or so later, another attack left my
sweetest female blind in one eye and she nearly lost the eyeball.
Since I put 2 great pyrennes puppies out there I have not heard one
single blood curdling scream in the night. They are still puppies and I
was not supposed to trust them with my livestock untilk they were 2yo.
They were in a pen in the pasture and at first only allowed out while I
was there to supervise. But finally as the screams came closer and
closer, even tho I had moved the alpacas to the pasture close to the
house/bedroom window, still the coyote/bobcat (I had both out here this
year) was coming closer and closer. One night while I heard it
shrieking/screechin
let the pups out. I have never heard it again. They now get to be free
with the alpacas every night, but they are indeed not trustworthy around
the fowl, so stay in their pen in the pasture during the day. In fact I
was having such trouble with one of them chasing the ducks, that I moved
the duck pen and attached it to the side of the doggie day pen so they
could stay nose to nose all day - hahaha. And there is a electric wire
around the inside of their pen so if they make a move towards the duck
(the ducks get rotated around so always different ones in that pen,
while the others are free) they get zapped. They no longer pay any
attention to those ducks! Now they go after the chickens, so they still
have to stay penned up during the day while the birds are out. But they
are only 5 mos old and definitely have earned their place here.
posted by Chaddo at 7:28 AM
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