I am a member of AOBA and I am debating as to whether or not I will renew my membership. I am concerned about what AOBA is doing and I also read the lawsuit Romaniks vs. AOBA and it concerns me very much about what AOBA is doing. It does not displease me at all that they have greater wealth, status and success in the industry, what does displease me, as a fairly new alpaca owner, to see this kind of stuff happening in the industry. This is not the only alpaca organization I will not be renewing, it all boils down to ethics and honesty. I truly hope all works out for the good of the industry and for those looking to get into the industry.
Kozy Kountry Alpacas
Konnie Miller
135 Dillon Road
Milton, TN
Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steve,
I did respond and I will tell you again here that if you have an explanation to all of this, then I am certain that everyone watching this discussion will want to see your response too. I believe that calling you and taking this offline will only muddy the waters into a "Well, Steve said this.." or "Stephanie said that...". I am not going to get into that situation with you or Amy.
As I said, everyone will want to see your response, so please post here. I will not communicate with you on the telephonel.
Stephanie
steve@timberlakefarms.net wrote:
Stephanie,
I changed the subject line so you might see it. This is my third
request for you to call an AOBA board member to answer your "research"
questions.
As I have said before, call me (use cell phone number below) or call
Amy. Either of us would be glad to clear this up for you.
Steve
Stephen Hull, MS, PhD, Tom Cameron, DVM & families
"a full service alpaca farm including seminars and consulting"
http://timberlakefarms.net
TimberLake Farms, Inc.
12001 East Waterloo Road
Arcadia, OK 73007
405 341 8444 (home/farm)
405 550-3023 (cell)
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> Subject: Re: [alpacapolitics] Re: [AlpacaTalk] UBIT taxes and non
> profit status-from the IRS website
> From: Stardust Alpacas <stardustalpacas@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, January 02, 2008 8:42 pm
> To: alpacapolitics@yahoogroups.com
> Nancy,
>
> I don't know that you have done your research since you have provided nothing in the way of statutes or codes to disprove me. No one has. Show us, so we can put this all to bed.
>
> What is funny to me is that people watch the Today Show or Dateline or Suze Orman and find out what can happen to you if you aren't informed. No one criticizes them, but instead are gratetful you learned something. Take it for what it is and you can see that your protests are without cause.
>
> Stephanie
>
> Nancy Wright <alpacas@alwaysaccoyo.com> wrote:
> Indeed, I have done my research on both past and present actions of
> AOBA, as well as the people involved, and am perfectly satisfied that
> everything at AOBA is just fine, thanks, and I am more than willing
> to entrust my dues to them. I, too, have taught tax accounting, among
> other things, and having been involved in many non-profits of all
> types over the years, I know that this interminable ranting by a very
> few people is plain alpaca beans. What I don't know is why any of you
> are doing it, unless it is just pure venom against those who
> displease you because of their greater wealth, altruism, status, and
> success in the industry.
> I can't possibly be the only one who wishes you great success in
> selling those three alpacas. Here's an idea: Why not donate them to
> AOBA?
> Nancy Wright
> Always Accoyo
> Oxford, MI 48371
> alpacas@alwaysaccoyo.com
> --- In alpacapolitics@yahoogroups.com, Stardust Alpacas
> <stardustalpacas@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ok then. Since you are so brilliant that you have done some of your
> own research and know that everything is above board and will stay
> that way (and has always been that way), let's just watch how things
> turn out.
> >
> > I chose to not become a member. There are lots of people who are
> not members of AOBA. Should none of those people have any say about
> anything? No. Do the actions of AOBA affect the industry? Yes. Do I
> have to be a member for it to affect me? Yes. Should I not care about
> what AOBA does because you don't? No. Does it matter to me that
> there are things AOBA now can do with the formation of the ALC
> (whether or not they will) that they could not do before? Yes. Is it
> your business that I am not a member? No. Does it change the facts?
> No. Did I post in the very first sentence of my very first post on
> this subject that I am not a member? Yes. Have you done your own
> research? No. Regarding the Romaniks, have you bothered to read the
> entire lawsuit on the AOBA website? Probably not. Did I read it? Yes.
> Is there reason to believe that AOBA has not always been honest? Yes.
> Is there reason to believe that AOBA may not be in the future?
> Possibly. Is there reason that the Romaniks
> > should not be in AOBA? Not that I have seen from the lawsuit. They
> appear to be the honest ones. Is your opinion worth more than mine?
> No. Do you actually have something to contribute to the topic besides
> pot shots? Not so far.
> >
> > How about this? You can keep on sticking your fingers in your
> ears. Go for it. Since you aren't listening or researching, why is
> your opinion worth anything? So don't listen. I wish you well with
> the future of AOBA. Good luck.
> >
> > If someone would be so generous to purchase my 3 remaining
> alpacas, I will be so far from this business, you will never have to
> hear my name again. Please help! I would love to move on to my new
> life as quick as possible and get off this sinking ship!
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Catch a clue, people. Do your research before you start telling
> me and everyone else that I am wrong and don't know what I am talking
> about.
> >
> > Nancy Wright <alpacas@...> wrote:
> >
> > Neither does Romanik.
> >
> > Nancy Wright
> > Always Accoyo
> > Oxford, MI 48371
> > alpacas@...
> >
> > --- In alpacapolitics@yahoogroups.com, Jan Davis <jandavis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good thinking, Nancy. Stardust Alpacas for one, does not appear
> in
> > the
> > > AOBA Membership Directory.
> > >
> > > Jan Davis
> > > Derwydd Alpacas
> > > Esparto CA 95627
> > > 530-787-0007
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nancy Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > >Are any of these people who are so viciously attacking AOBA, the
> > BOD,
> > > >and some of its benefactors actually members of AOBA??
> > > >
> > > >If not, 1) Why do they care, or pretend to care, what goes on
> > inside
> > > >AOBA? and 2) Why should we care what they think or say? and 3)
> Why
> > > >the devil should anyone have to respond to their shrill orders
> or
> > > >give them any more of the attention they so obviously crave??
> > > >
> > > >Nancy Wright
> > > >Always Accoyo
> > > >Oxford, MI 48371
> > > >alpacas@
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