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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Full Moon Tonight - Cria Coming?

Katy- We had a cria born 2 months ago on a full moon.

Jan Fiorucci
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Pagosa Springs, CO
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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Full Moon Tonight - Cria Coming?

At Alpaca Farmgirl, we've been talking about how the full moon seems
to affect the birthing process. What do you think? In December we had
a cria (baby alpaca) born early in the morning after the full moon.

Tonight is going to be a full moon. The largest and brightest one of
2009. Let me know if you have any babies (livestock or human) this
weekend. Or if you expect the full moon to bring on the babies on your
farm. I'm fascinated by this topic!

Read blog post "Full Moon Encourages Birthing" at www.alpacafarmgirl.com

Best,
Katy

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[AlpacaTalk] TNT?



Hey is anyone else watching TV TNT? I was the other day and there was an
Alpaca commercial! I LOVED IT! I poked my husband and said see...even in this
economy! :O)

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[AlpacaTalk] Full Moon Tonight - Cria Coming?

At Alpaca Farmgirl, we've been talking about how the full moon seems
to affect the birthing process. What do you think? In December we had
a cria (baby alpaca) born early in the morning after the full moon.

Tonight is going to be a full moon. The largest and brightest one of
2009. Let me know if you have any babies (livestock or human) this
weekend. Or if you expect the full moon to bring on the babies on your
farm. I'm fascinated by this topic!

Read blog post "Full Moon Encourages Birthing" at www.alpacafarmgirl.com

Best,
Katy

Katy Spears
Fairhope Alpacas
Fairhope, AL
alpacas@bellsouth.net
www.alpacafarmgirl.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: halter training cria

Marty seminar?

Hmmm. That is a nice story. Thanks for sharing.
I have been able to get the halters on, but trying to lead them turns
out to be dangerous with
the kicking and rearing up!
I have been able to hand feed them, but it is hard as there are 2 and
if you separate them, they
get very upset, so you have to work with both at the same time.

Still your story gives me hope.
I cannot find out much about them. The lady that gave them to me had
only had them for a year and
she got them as rescues from who knows where. No papers. No idea how
old they are, but we love them
all the same! NOT looking forward to shearing time, I must say!!

L
On Jan 10, 2009, at 3:01 PM, houckj@aol.com wrote:

> <<<<My 2 boys probably have never had halters. I hate chasing them
> into
> the stall and locking them
> in and then trying to get halters on as I figure the act of getting
> them locked in the stall is
> trauma enough, yet I really need to get them friendly.
>
> Currently they are free to roam day and night in barn and around
> pasture.
> They eat well and are stand offish but not too frightened.
> >>>>>
>
> Hi Lysa,
> My handsome studboy, Charlie Brown, since passed on to better
> pastures,
> was similar when I got him, well actually much worse than what you are
> describing. He wasn't a "rescue" as I paid for him, but I truly
> rescued
> him. When I got him home and started to take off his halter, omg, he
> had clearly worn that halter his entire life (he was 4). His nose
> tissue had grown around it. It was the same col;or as he was so not
> terribly noticeable at first. And it was a badly fitting halter to
> boot. He was nasty and mean, hated humans. Close examination of his
> papers showed he had never really had a home, just been shuffled
> around
> the country from one auction to another. He was a very handsome boy.
> But he kept his ears back constantly. Even if I wasn't out there and
> he
> was alone, with the other pacas, in the pasture, his ears were always
> back. My sweet girl Allie, who he was a present for :-), kept trying
> to
> make friends and he would just spit her off! I began to hand feed him;
> slowly slowly slowly. I never grabbed at him or tried to catch him. I
> just stood very still in the pasture and waited for him to come. He
> had
> to come to me to eat. Eventually he would let me touch him while he
> was
> eating, but once the food was gone, so was he. I was so sad for him
> and
> everytime I saw that halter I just wanted to grab him and remove it
> asap. But I waited. One day, with some help feeding, I was able to
> reach up and unbuckle. With it flapping loose like that, it took the
> rest of the day for it to come off on its own.
>
> His ears began to come up. Allie finally made friends with him. But he
> was always difficult to handle. I took him to a Marty seminar and she
> worked her magic on him. Showed me how to catch him with the long rope
> and that worked like a charm for the rest of his life. I use that
> technique now for all mine. Just start by draping the long rope across
> the back of his neck, and sometimes you don't even need a halter.
> Marty
> showed me how to make a quick halter out of the rope and often that
> will
> suffice for a quick look see or treatment. He turned out to be the
> easiest of all my alpacas to handle. Once he was haltered he was putty
> in my hands :-) and I could do absolutely anything to him (and I had
> to
> do a lot over the years as he always seemed to have some sort of issue
> going on needing attention). He was so good and so easy. Funny thing,
> my sweet girl Allie that gives kisses and comes easily up to you and
> even will allow herself to be petted is just the opposite, once the
> halter goes on she fights any treatment tooth and nail. I have seen
> her
> climb a fence sideways with those feet whenever we were trying to give
> her her monthly Decto injection. Each and every time it was the same
> battle; took both me and the vet to hold her and give her the shot.
> But
> Charlie Brown was easy as pie.
>
> I will be interested to see what Heather and the others have to say,
> as
> I have 2 that were brought in together about 3 yrs ago. they had
> clearly never been handled, were skittish as all get out and very
> standoffish. Circumstances prevented me from being able to spend the
> time with them that was needed and they continue to this day to be
> very
> standoffish and difficult to deal with.....but they are the 2 that
> made
> me this wonderful baby :-). Luckily neither of them have had any
> health
> problems that required a lot of interaction. I have always trained
> mine
> to come to a small catch pen to eat (separate) so that when I need
> to do
> something I can get them easily in a small space where it is easy to
> drape that rope across the back of their neck and put their halters on
> for whatever reason.
>
> Warmly, Janice
>
>


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[AlpacaTalk] female crias

Since I've never had one before it has only just now occurred to me that
I am going to have to separate my herd now; something I've never had to
do before. So not very happy about that. What age do I need to start
thinking about separating female baby from papa? Hopefully not anytime
real soon, as I am going to have to fence in another area to do that :-(.

Janice, sure wishing I had never gelded Charlie Brown's boy, now that CB
is gone, I could really use that unrelated male now. But they were
starting to mix it up by the time the baby boy was about a year old and
I didn't have the space or the desire to separate my small herd.

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: goopy eyes

<<<<hi Janice - i've found the tannen (sp?) in luke warm black tea works
really well for wiping out goopy eyes where there is no injury - i'm
glad your little girl is still full of energy and attitude

Wendy>>>>

Thanks Wendy, that's a good idea. I have been using the very dilute
goldenseal (very dilute because it is an alcohol extraction) to wipe out
her eyes the past few days, just in case there was an injury or
infection, and they are getting better. My first thought was a hay
scratch as she lays in the hay while mama is eating. But I can't get
her still long enough for me to actually look at her eye. She is just
all kicking legs; even with my dd holding her she is still kicking up a
storm and squirming like crazy, so the best I can do is hit her eye with
a wet wipe soaked in goldenseal. I did get some the dilute solution in
her eye yesterday with an eyedropper. Boy did she get mad.

As soon as I am not doing anything unpleasant to her I am going to start
putting my baby halter on her for a bit during mom's mid afternoon extra
feeding as we take them in the barn for that so I can check the cria.
Hopefully eventually she will ease up on her human dislike. But with
all I have done to her I can't say I blame her :-).

<<<<Hi Janice, great to hear she's gaining--and nicely too! That's
probably why you can't get anything out of mom, Merry's sucked her dry
:)>>>>>

I think you may be right Morgen! I'm just thankful I am not having to
bottle OR tube feed her!! What a relief.

Warmly, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: halter training cria

<<<<My 2 boys probably have never had halters. I hate chasing them into
the stall and locking them
in and then trying to get halters on as I figure the act of getting
them locked in the stall is
trauma enough, yet I really need to get them friendly.

Currently they are free to roam day and night in barn and around
pasture.
They eat well and are stand offish but not too frightened.
>>>>>

Hi Lysa,
My handsome studboy, Charlie Brown, since passed on to better pastures,
was similar when I got him, well actually much worse than what you are
describing. He wasn't a "rescue" as I paid for him, but I truly rescued
him. When I got him home and started to take off his halter, omg, he
had clearly worn that halter his entire life (he was 4). His nose
tissue had grown around it. It was the same col;or as he was so not
terribly noticeable at first. And it was a badly fitting halter to
boot. He was nasty and mean, hated humans. Close examination of his
papers showed he had never really had a home, just been shuffled around
the country from one auction to another. He was a very handsome boy.
But he kept his ears back constantly. Even if I wasn't out there and he
was alone, with the other pacas, in the pasture, his ears were always
back. My sweet girl Allie, who he was a present for :-), kept trying to
make friends and he would just spit her off! I began to hand feed him;
slowly slowly slowly. I never grabbed at him or tried to catch him. I
just stood very still in the pasture and waited for him to come. He had
to come to me to eat. Eventually he would let me touch him while he was
eating, but once the food was gone, so was he. I was so sad for him and
everytime I saw that halter I just wanted to grab him and remove it
asap. But I waited. One day, with some help feeding, I was able to
reach up and unbuckle. With it flapping loose like that, it took the
rest of the day for it to come off on its own.

His ears began to come up. Allie finally made friends with him. But he
was always difficult to handle. I took him to a Marty seminar and she
worked her magic on him. Showed me how to catch him with the long rope
and that worked like a charm for the rest of his life. I use that
technique now for all mine. Just start by draping the long rope across
the back of his neck, and sometimes you don't even need a halter. Marty
showed me how to make a quick halter out of the rope and often that will
suffice for a quick look see or treatment. He turned out to be the
easiest of all my alpacas to handle. Once he was haltered he was putty
in my hands :-) and I could do absolutely anything to him (and I had to
do a lot over the years as he always seemed to have some sort of issue
going on needing attention). He was so good and so easy. Funny thing,
my sweet girl Allie that gives kisses and comes easily up to you and
even will allow herself to be petted is just the opposite, once the
halter goes on she fights any treatment tooth and nail. I have seen her
climb a fence sideways with those feet whenever we were trying to give
her her monthly Decto injection. Each and every time it was the same
battle; took both me and the vet to hold her and give her the shot. But
Charlie Brown was easy as pie.

I will be interested to see what Heather and the others have to say, as
I have 2 that were brought in together about 3 yrs ago. they had
clearly never been handled, were skittish as all get out and very
standoffish. Circumstances prevented me from being able to spend the
time with them that was needed and they continue to this day to be very
standoffish and difficult to deal with.....but they are the 2 that made
me this wonderful baby :-). Luckily neither of them have had any health
problems that required a lot of interaction. I have always trained mine
to come to a small catch pen to eat (separate) so that when I need to do
something I can get them easily in a small space where it is easy to
drape that rope across the back of their neck and put their halters on
for whatever reason.

Warmly, Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] Blue eyed whites

I would suggest that you do a lot of research if using your blue eyed white male for breeding, as you are taking a chance on producing a blue eyed deaf cria.? The expert in Australia is Elizabeth Paul who has written a book on the subject.? Also, D. Andrew Merriwether, Ph.D, who is on Alpacasite has done a lot of research in this area.? If you are on Alpacasite, you might go into the files and read the emails on this subject.

We had a situation early on when we bred a white female who had one blue eye to a white male on another farm and she produced a blue eyed deaf female.?? After that experience we were very careful when we bred this female and always used a dark male with no spots.? She produced a beautiful fawn male several years ago and I had some concerns about him carrying the blue eye gene.? I contacted Elizabeth Paul and she requested that we send pictures and her decision was that this particular male would not be a threat.

Our female with the one blue eyed white on her last birth produced a gray female, and the sire was a true black.? Our gray female has been
bred to gray male and I can hardly wait to see the new cria next fall.

Pal Baird
Wolf Creek Alpacas
3457 Stimson Road
Norton, OH 44203
330-666-9047

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