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Wednesday, July 29, 2009

[AlpacaTalk] plasma

 

Does anyone have experience with collecting your own alpaca plasma? I know there are some people who do it. I am curious about how it's done, at the vet's office or on the farm? 

Is the alpaca sedated?
What are the fees involved? 
Is it more cost effective (less expensive) than buying it from Triple J or your vet or vet hospital?

I guess my main question is about the cost. I've seen that one unit now goes for $383, plus the vet fees of administering to the cria. 

Heather

Heather Zeleny
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Oregon

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: How to put up a fence?

 

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Carla Martin" <CARLA0@...> wrote:
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> Is there an easy way? I cannot remember how my Dad usued to put up our horse fence but they were pulled tight!

http://www.gatewayalpacas.com/alpaca-farming/fence-building.htm

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[AlpacaTalk] How to put up a fence?

 

Hello everyone...well..another newbie question....I have two acres I wanted to start with, or fence in for now.I had some guys that said they new how to put up the no climb fence for me...and well..it was the worse job I have ever saw! Is there an easy way? I cannot remember how my Dad usued to put up our horse fence but they were pulled tight!
Would it be better to have a chain link fence installed just on the two acres? I'm not sure what the cost is per ft...I'm so bumbed ..I cannot even get the fence up!
Thanks for any help!
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Bedrock Acres
Greenville SC

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] FUTURE OF LOW BIRTH WEIGHT CRIA AS ADULT?

 

Pia - we purposely purchased a smaller herdsire because we like the smaller alpacas.  We too have a preemie female that weighed only 9 lbs at birth - made it after 2.5 weeks of bottle supplementing and is small for her age but the fleece on her is incredible.  You can bet we will be breeding her in the future!
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] FUTURE OF LOW BIRTH WEIGHT CRIA AS ADULT?

 

Hi Judith, thanks for writing.
 
Aglino is smaller than the other 2 year olds in the junion herdsire pasture, and is not much bigger than some of the weanlings he is in the pasture with.
 
To answer your question, this was mom's first cria ever.  And like I said in my post, he is the only one to live so far.  And since I no longer own the mom, I'm not sure what is going on with her.
 
I know last year when the baby was even more early, baby and mom were rushed to Ohio State University for a week, where the baby finally died.  They decided mom would need progesterone to maintain a pregnancy.
 
She was re-bred, carried the third baby to term, yet the baby died within a day.  I haven't discussed the circumstances with her current owner to find out what happened.
 
Dad, a full Accoyo, on the other hand has a number of show champions on the ground.  So I just don't know...
 
Pia
 
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Fiori del Campo Suri Alpacas - www.fioridelcampo.com
Check out our Etsy store featuring luxurious and unique handmade Suri alpaca garments and hand spun yarns at www.fioridelcampo.etsy.com

Any health issues that occur during the first few weeks/months of life can result in slow growth and development, and even permanently stunt full development.  However, if he's 140 pounds, he doesn't sound stunted or small to me, unless he is small in relation to his sire and dam.  Of more concern to me would be the fact that his dam has had issues carrying to term, which could signal potential issues for this boy's offspring.  Has his dam carried and delivered full-term crias since?
 
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] FUTURE OF LOW BIRTH WEIGHT CRIA AS ADULT?

 

Any health issues that occur during the first few weeks/months of life can result in slow growth and development, and even permanently stunt full development.  However, if he's 140 pounds, he doesn't sound stunted or small to me, unless he is small in relation to his sire and dam.  Of more concern to me would be the fact that his dam has had issues carrying to term, which could signal potential issues for this boy's offspring.  Has his dam carried and delivered full-term crias since?
 
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LadySong Farm
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From: Pia Al-Ubaidi <fioridelcamposuris@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:07:46 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] FUTURE OF LOW BIRTH WEIGHT CRIA AS ADULT?

 

Hello fellow breeders :-)  I need some input from those of you who might have experience with alpacas that shouldn't have survived but did and their future prospects.  Let me explain:
 
One of my Suri gals had an extremely premature male on May 14, 2007 and the little guy weighed only 8 pounds at birth.  Mom refused to let him nurse for about 3 days, which didn't help that fact that he was small and weak.  To make a long story short, after the crisis was over (after bottle feedings every 2 hours, long nights, and a plasma transfusion, etc.) mom and baby settled into a normal routine.  This is the only baby of mom's that actually lived - last year the baby was born more pre-mature than the last and didn't make it.  This year's baby was carried to term but still died.
 
Everything has been normal with my boy ever since, except he has been extremely slow to grow.  He has always had *screaming* luster, (like glass, have never quite seen anything like it since!) and normal sized testicles for his age.  A little after a year he sprouted an incredibly dense topknot (like his father, who also had a late-developing top knot), after two years his density has almost tripled.  Also, although he is classifed as light fawn, he has always been a comination of fascinating colors including black, mocha, red, almost pinkish grey, and fawn.
 
I would really like to breed him as his fleece quality is exceptional.  And his testicles are the correct size for his age, no problem there; they are actually *larger* than some other "normal" boys his age.  He started mounting fully grown dams at a few months old, and was going nuts when he got a dam to cush for him (i.e., orgling, etc.)  However, he is just small, like, right now about 140 lbs; my other 10 month old light fawn junior herdsire is almost as big as him.  He continues to grow, but oh so slowly.  He is very gentle and sweet, and has had a really hard time in this world.  But he really "shouldn't" be here, based on his low birth weight, difficult weaning in the winter, plus what I suspect as neglect at the last farm we was boarded at, etc.  What a fighter he has been.
 
What I want to know is this - Is this type of slow growth process "normal" for such a small preemie?  I am assuming he would have been bigger had he been carried to term and mom didn't have the problems she has.  Does his size necessarily reflect something in his genetic pool, or is it just because of being born early?
I don't have a lot of experience with preemie Jr. Herdsires, only preemie girls, so any wisdom anyone can toss my way would be most appreciated!
 
Best regards,
Pia M. Al-Ubaidi
Fiori del Campo Suri Alpacas - www.fioridelcampo. com
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[AlpacaTalk] FUTURE OF LOW BIRTH WEIGHT CRIA AS ADULT?

 

Hello fellow breeders :-)  I need some input from those of you who might have experience with alpacas that shouldn't have survived but did and their future prospects.  Let me explain:
 
One of my Suri gals had an extremely premature male on May 14, 2007 and the little guy weighed only 8 pounds at birth.  Mom refused to let him nurse for about 3 days, which didn't help that fact that he was small and weak.  To make a long story short, after the crisis was over (after bottle feedings every 2 hours, long nights, and a plasma transfusion, etc.) mom and baby settled into a normal routine.  This is the only baby of mom's that actually lived - last year the baby was born more pre-mature than the last and didn't make it.  This year's baby was carried to term but still died.
 
Everything has been normal with my boy ever since, except he has been extremely slow to grow.  He has always had *screaming* luster, (like glass, have never quite seen anything like it since!) and normal sized testicles for his age.  A little after a year he sprouted an incredibly dense topknot (like his father, who also had a late-developing top knot), after two years his density has almost tripled.  Also, although he is classifed as light fawn, he has always been a comination of fascinating colors including black, mocha, red, almost pinkish grey, and fawn.
 
I would really like to breed him as his fleece quality is exceptional.  And his testicles are the correct size for his age, no problem there; they are actually *larger* than some other "normal" boys his age.  He started mounting fully grown dams at a few months old, and was going nuts when he got a dam to cush for him (i.e., orgling, etc.)  However, he is just small, like, right now about 140 lbs; my other 10 month old light fawn junior herdsire is almost as big as him.  He continues to grow, but oh so slowly.  He is very gentle and sweet, and has had a really hard time in this world.  But he really "shouldn't" be here, based on his low birth weight, difficult weaning in the winter, plus what I suspect as neglect at the last farm we was boarded at, etc.  What a fighter he has been.
 
What I want to know is this - Is this type of slow growth process "normal" for such a small preemie?  I am assuming he would have been bigger had he been carried to term and mom didn't have the problems she has.  Does his size necessarily reflect something in his genetic pool, or is it just because of being born early?
I don't have a lot of experience with preemie Jr. Herdsires, only preemie girls, so any wisdom anyone can toss my way would be most appreciated!
 
Best regards,
Pia M. Al-Ubaidi
Fiori del Campo Suri Alpacas - www.fioridelcampo.com
Check out our Etsy store featuring luxurious and unique handmade Suri alpaca garments and hand spun yarns at www.fioridelcampo.etsy.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] The use of blood sugar monitoring in new cria’s

 

Thanks Rob, great info!  What is STAT and where do you get it? 
 
I still have to test whether human pregnancy sticks work on alpacas.....
 
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[AlpacaTalk] The use of blood sugar monitoring in new cria’s

 

Hello Group, Mike Morack asked me to join this group and share our experiance with testing Alpaca Blood Sugar. I have not reviewed any previous posts so I apologize if this is repetitive.

Rob

The use of blood sugar monitoring in new cria's by Rob and Dr. Joanna Stephens

Disclaimer: I (Rob) am writing this is I remember the situation and circumstances, I'm not the Dr., my wife is.

Last spring we had a proven female give birth. Everything was normal for the dam and cria (a female). About 24 hours later Joanna walked into the barn and the cria was having  a major seizure and breathing was in question.  Joanna administered mouth to snout and called the vet. While vet was in route we started to cool off cria because she was running a fever, I cannot recall how much. Vet arrived and fluids were administered and seizure subsided. Cria and mom were moved to garage. Cria was blind for 3-4 days. Cria now is perfectly normal at over one year of age.

So what caused this? Examining dam, her teats were engorged and filled with a grey goo (mastitis?). We fixed this with medication and milking the mom, it took a few days to clear up. The root cause determined that although the cria appeared to be feeding from dam she was not getting anything.

We also have barn cameras that recorded the event leading up to the seizure. What it showed that the cria was showing signs of distress but they were unrecognizable unless you sat and watched the cria for an extended period of time. Joanna was walking in and out of the pen with the cria and didn't notice a thing, but when we played it back at 8x speed you can see the cria very slowly moving in backwards circle motion until it seized, this was over a period of 30 min or so.

Which now brings us to the blood sugar check. The rational is in alpacas as in humans, if we don't eat our blood sugar will drop. We use a simple blood sugar monitor devise and a strip, the same ones diabetics use. We prick the ear for blood and run the test just like pricking your finger, it's that simple. If we have any reason to suspect something isn't normal (with milk) we do this early enough in the evening on the first day so that if we need to intervene we can do it and be ready to go to bed at a normal hour instead of doing it just before we are ready for bed.

As a rule we want to be hands off and let the cria and mother bond but we also do not want a crisis, this helps us accomplish both.

So what do we do if blood sugar is dropping? We will first give STAT (energy goo) 3-4 x per day and keep watching until hopefully the mothers milk come in and test accordingly.


 
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Rob & Joanna Stephens
Manitowoc, WIsconsin


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