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Friday, October 01, 2010

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

As I said, I do value our local vets, but the one vet we use has given the alpaca end largely to a new hire, who has tons of goat experience, having grown up on a goat farm, but not as much alpaca experience.


While we aren't able to run blood tests or have the knowledge to run fecals ourselves, 9 times out of 10, our initial thoughts are confirmed by the vets when we call them.

When my old dam has bleeding two days after her last delivery, we treated for a uterine tear with betadine flushes and antibiotics. I did call the vet out to examine her. He concurred with our treatment, and also said that if it was a tear that did not heal on its own, even taking her to OSU would probably not accomplish anything except debt on my part, since she was so old. They would probably not want to risk anesthetics, let alone invasive surgery. Our other thought was kidney failure, and in the end, I think this is what it was. We did discuss that with the vet, and again, he concurred, if it is renal failure, there's nothing anyone can do about it, especially given her advanced age.

Those of us who have been in the industry for several years have encountered a lot of ailments, and some, we know how to treat better than the vets do, with the help of herbalists and homeopaths, and naturopaths. And the chiropractors...

Allopathic medicine does have its limits, and even when illness or injury can be treated by allopathic medicine, sometimes the peopl who actually handle the animals every day do have greater insight than a vet who isn't also a breeder or owner.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Oct 1, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Tina Travis wrote:

 

             In alot of areas people do not have access to a vet that has Alpaca knowledge and they need other breeders to share with them.I doubt he meant
any harm by those words.I have a great vet, and at times I follow my friends advice because she has an ovewhelming amount of knowledge and hands on experience.

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!



From: David Friedman <alpacas@roadrunner.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:32:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Hi Jim,


With all due respect, I wouldn't sell vets short.  Most of them know a lot more about animal husbandry than the average alpaca breeder.

Dave

Dave and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
315-831-3040

On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:36 PM, jim gregoryk wrote:

 

Thanks Heather, you are right I am checking very frequently even though the little bugger is getting harder by the minute to catch.  YEECCH is a very nice way to put it. I still am alittle queezy over it.  I did call the vet, okay I am a little OCD.  He said I did everything he would recommend. But I know that most of you all know more than most vet.
 
Thanks again
 
Jim

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

             In alot of areas people do not have access to a vet that has Alpaca knowledge and they need other breeders to share with them.I doubt he meant
any harm by those words.I have a great vet, and at times I follow my friends advice because she has an ovewhelming amount of knowledge and hands on experience.

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!



From: David Friedman <alpacas@roadrunner.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:32:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Hi Jim,


With all due respect, I wouldn't sell vets short.  Most of them know a lot more about animal husbandry than the average alpaca breeder.

Dave

Dave and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
315-831-3040

On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:36 PM, jim gregoryk wrote:

 

Thanks Heather, you are right I am checking very frequently even though the little bugger is getting harder by the minute to catch.  YEECCH is a very nice way to put it. I still am alittle queezy over it.  I did call the vet, okay I am a little OCD.  He said I did everything he would recommend. But I know that most of you all know more than most vet.
 
Thanks again
 
Jim

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:30 PM

 
Let me just get this out my system, and I would do it with my own animal, too... Yecchhh. 

I'd definitely re-treat the navel with Betadine or Nolvasan, whichever is your preference, which you said you did. 

I've never seen actual fly eggs on an animal except for a female who suffered a horrible uterine tear during a dystocia which required J-lube and lots of it. She died 4 days later. But this doesn't sound like it's even remotely comparable.

Maybe also just keep an eye on the cria. Even wash the entire blanket or at least belly with Betadine or Nolvasan. And in my opinion, even though I am opposed to the over-use of antibiotics, I am not averse to using them as often as needed with my alpacas. I don't know if you want to call a vet for a consult or not. I trust our local vets but I think their fees are really high.

I'd say you're on top of things. And if you're like me, you'll be checking frequently. :)
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://whitelotus.openherd.com/

On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Jim wrote:

 
This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim




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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Hi Jim,


With all due respect, I wouldn't sell vets short.  Most of them know a lot more about animal husbandry than the average alpaca breeder.

Dave

Dave and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
315-831-3040

On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:36 PM, jim gregoryk wrote:

 

Thanks Heather, you are right I am checking very frequently even though the little bugger is getting harder by the minute to catch.  YEECCH is a very nice way to put it. I still am alittle queezy over it.  I did call the vet, okay I am a little OCD.  He said I did everything he would recommend. But I know that most of you all know more than most vet.
 
Thanks again
 
Jim

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:30 PM

 
Let me just get this out my system, and I would do it with my own animal, too... Yecchhh. 

I'd definitely re-treat the navel with Betadine or Nolvasan, whichever is your preference, which you said you did. 

I've never seen actual fly eggs on an animal except for a female who suffered a horrible uterine tear during a dystocia which required J-lube and lots of it. She died 4 days later. But this doesn't sound like it's even remotely comparable.

Maybe also just keep an eye on the cria. Even wash the entire blanket or at least belly with Betadine or Nolvasan. And in my opinion, even though I am opposed to the over-use of antibiotics, I am not averse to using them as often as needed with my alpacas. I don't know if you want to call a vet for a consult or not. I trust our local vets but I think their fees are really high.

I'd say you're on top of things. And if you're like me, you'll be checking frequently. :)
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Jim wrote:

 
This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim



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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Thanks Heather, you are right I am checking very frequently even though the little bugger is getting harder by the minute to catch.  YEECCH is a very nice way to put it. I still am alittle queezy over it.  I did call the vet, okay I am a little OCD.  He said I did everything he would recommend. But I know that most of you all know more than most vet.
 
Thanks again
 
Jim

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:30 PM

 
Let me just get this out my system, and I would do it with my own animal, too... Yecchhh. 

I'd definitely re-treat the navel with Betadine or Nolvasan, whichever is your preference, which you said you did. 

I've never seen actual fly eggs on an animal except for a female who suffered a horrible uterine tear during a dystocia which required J-lube and lots of it. She died 4 days later. But this doesn't sound like it's even remotely comparable.

Maybe also just keep an eye on the cria. Even wash the entire blanket or at least belly with Betadine or Nolvasan. And in my opinion, even though I am opposed to the over-use of antibiotics, I am not averse to using them as often as needed with my alpacas. I don't know if you want to call a vet for a consult or not. I trust our local vets but I think their fees are really high.

I'd say you're on top of things. And if you're like me, you'll be checking frequently. :)
Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Jim wrote:

 
This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim


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posted by Chaddo at 6:36 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Let me just get this out my system, and I would do it with my own animal, too... Yecchhh. 


I'd definitely re-treat the navel with Betadine or Nolvasan, whichever is your preference, which you said you did. 

I've never seen actual fly eggs on an animal except for a female who suffered a horrible uterine tear during a dystocia which required J-lube and lots of it. She died 4 days later. But this doesn't sound like it's even remotely comparable.

Maybe also just keep an eye on the cria. Even wash the entire blanket or at least belly with Betadine or Nolvasan. And in my opinion, even though I am opposed to the over-use of antibiotics, I am not averse to using them as often as needed with my alpacas. I don't know if you want to call a vet for a consult or not. I trust our local vets but I think their fees are really high.

I'd say you're on top of things. And if you're like me, you'll be checking frequently. :)



Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Jim wrote:

 

This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim


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posted by Chaddo at 6:30 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

Thanks Tina

--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Tina Travis <traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 9:29 PM

 
              The only thing I would have done diffrent was scrubbed area rather then combed it or scrubbed it after combing.I would check the area a couple times a day for several days.If there is no wound you are likely alright. Always,T
Tina Travis  
Elkhorn Alpacas
31655 Elkhorn Glen
Warrenton,MO.63383
636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930
 Alpacas are a rare treasure,
 one that I like to share!!!!


From: Jim <jimg2312@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 8:18:24 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 
This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim


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posted by Chaddo at 6:30 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

              The only thing I would have done diffrent was scrubbed area rather then combed it or scrubbed it after combing.I would check the area a couple times a day for several days.If there is no wound you are likely alright. Always,T

Tina Travis  

Elkhorn Alpacas

31655 Elkhorn Glen

Warrenton,MO.63383

636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930

traviselkhornalpacas@yahoo.com

www.elkhornalpacas.com

 Alpacas are a rare treasure,

 one that I like to share!!!!



From: Jim <jimg2312@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 8:18:24 PM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim


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posted by Chaddo at 6:29 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Help Please

 

This past Thursday I had a snow white blue eyed male cria born. Everything has been going terrific until this evening when I was giving him his evening pet and rubbing I felt knots in fiber on his stomach, when I investigated it was FLY EGGS!! Immediately checked for wounds or dried blood and checked his navel for infection. Nothing. So I combed out the eggs and spray both mama an cria with on herbal fly spray, retreated the navel with betadine. Is there anything else I should do? What on earth would cause this to happen? I would really appreciate any advice on this. Jim

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posted by Chaddo at 6:18 PM 0 comments