alpacas: 11/29/05

Re: [Alpacasite] Digest Number 5175

While I won't get into the question of alpaca blood in registered llamas, or
how suri llamas came about, I can answer some questions about the cross.
It can be registered as a cross with ILR. The Magnafire fiasco of two years
ago, the multiple lawsuits and ALSA suspensions for showing that have
followed would make me wary of falsly representing/registering this animal
as a llama. I think someone questioned the parties involved(Stachowski, Reed
and Tellez)is how this particular fraud was uncovered. Go to Llama Life II
for more details in the spring 2003 issue. If the offspring is a male, geld
it and use it as a fiber animal if the fleece is nice enough.
Blood testing is commonly done on breeding animals though it is not
required at this time. After the Magnafire fiasco, a breeder would have to
be an idiot to try the same stunt. The afore mentioned names may not have
meaning to alpaca folks, but the llama community is very familiar with them
(they are currently in the Collectible Llama Association).While most llama
owners will admit that the crosses have occurred in the past, I think the
majority of the alpaca blood in llamas have come from imports that have
somehow passed the screening process. I won't even get into that!
I do know that suri type fiber has been, in the past, an occasional
cropout in heavy/medium fiber animals. The look was fluffy at the time, so
they had to be groomed a lot more. I think the blood of alpacas and llamas
(as well as guanacos and vicunas) have been passed back and forth in South
America in the past. I know some short wooled classics that have been
traced back to guanacos. I don't breed so I have no dogs in any of these
fights. I have had both llamas and alpacas.
The alpaca people have been smart enough to close the registry. If the
llama community did the same, many of the problems would be solved. I am
also a fan of DNA testing of all breeding animals. Just my .02, FWIW.
Susan Ravan

That having been said I do not know the intricate details of the ILR and
how it relates to the suri llama business but if recent activities are
any indication then registering your huarizo as a llama would not be the
first time this has happened and is likely to be rather easy. As I
understand it the ILR does not require blood testing and there is no
requirement to verify what someone put on the registration.

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[Alpacasite] Re: Question on Temperature Tolerance - Crias

> What is everyone's opinion on what is a reasonable temperature for a
> week-old cria to be exposed to? Tonight it's supposed to reach 31
F,
> very dry, some breeze but nothing major to affect the wind chill.
We
> have been putting mom and baby up in the barn at night the first few
> nights but this is the coldest it has gotten in a week.
>
> If you guys think I should I'll go chase/put them in for the night,
> and subject myself to Medusa (not the Dam's real name) who gets
> awfully perturbed when I mess with the cria :)

With good bedding, dry barn, and out of the wind, I would go ahead and
barn them, especially if you have been doing that in warmer evenings.
I wouldn't necessarily coat the baby at this temp if out of the wind,
dew, and with warm bedding.
Dr. Anderson reposted a hyper / hypo thermia thing recently and one
the 'cues' he discussed about hyperthermia in cria and adults was
their posture when kushed. He indicated that an animal working hard to
preserve body heat, will stretch its neck out fully on the ground, and
rather than kushing with body slightly raised off the ground will look
like they are 'pressing' their entire body against the ground to
assist in minimizing heat loss. Shivering of course is a whole
different panic time, and a healthy cria not exposed to any dampness
or wind in good straw bedding should be fine in just barely below
freezing. Wind and rain are the enemies more so than just plain cool
temps.

Gary [currently pulling posts directly off yahoo with email down]
Olympia WA

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RE: [Alpacasite] Question on Temperature Tolerance - Crias

Paul,

I have used a cria coat in situations like this. I would tend to err on the
side of caution. :)

Jeannie Wells
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Subject: [Alpacasite] Question on Temperature Tolerance - Crias

What is everyone's opinion on what is a reasonable temperature for a
week-old cria to be exposed to? Tonight it's supposed to reach 31 F,
very dry, some breeze but nothing major to affect the wind chill. We
have been putting mom and baby up in the barn at night the first few
nights but this is the coldest it has gotten in a week.

If you guys think I should I'll go chase/put them in for the night,
and subject myself to Medusa (not the Dam's real name) who gets
awfully perturbed when I mess with the cria :)

Thanks

Paul Kimball
Bluff View Farms LLC
Birchwood, TN

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[Alpacasite] Question on Temperature Tolerance - Crias

What is everyone's opinion on what is a reasonable temperature for a
week-old cria to be exposed to? Tonight it's supposed to reach 31 F,
very dry, some breeze but nothing major to affect the wind chill. We
have been putting mom and baby up in the barn at night the first few
nights but this is the coldest it has gotten in a week.

If you guys think I should I'll go chase/put them in for the night,
and subject myself to Medusa (not the Dam's real name) who gets
awfully perturbed when I mess with the cria :)

Thanks

Paul Kimball
Bluff View Farms LLC
Birchwood, TN

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[Alpacasite] Re: Fw: protection/gate weakness

Hi Sandy. I have the standard 5' no-climb, but also have two electic
wires running around the outside of the fence - one low and one at
the top. Each is separately powered by a solar charger. I also laid
a 32" fence on the ground all the way around the outside and
attached it to the botom of the vertical fence. I tucked the outside
down into a trench I had dug with a trencher.

Bob Fish
Flying Pony Alpacas, LLC
Boyertown, PA 19512

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> I can tell you how I fortified my gates. LOWES has 12" X 12"
cement
> Stepping stones. I placed these in three rows beneath my gates.
> Some I dug up a bit of ground so that the stones are not sitting
on top
> And cannot be moved, others I placed some new dirt around the
> stones. If my Dobers can't get through them then NOTHING can.
>
> Kathryn & Robert Coursey
> kathryn@c...
> Chipola Alpacas
> in the Panhandle of Florida
> www.chipolaalpacas.com
> (850) 639-6809
> i am a source for weeping willow trees
> and white mulberry trees.
>
> Some folks are like Slinkies,
> Not good for much,
> But ya just can't help but smile
> When you see one tumble down the
> stairs.
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: auctionqueen
> Date: 11/29/05 10:55:55
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Fw: protection?
>
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> From: "notjustyarns" <notjustyarns@t...>
> To: <Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:33 AM
> Subject: protection?
>
>
> > we're looking into "protection" for our pacas and farm this
month. we have
> > state game lands on 2 sides of us and our own woods on 1 other
side. (road
> > in front) so there is alot of woods anything can come through..
we have
> > occassional coyotes and wandering dogs(sometimes in groups of 2-
3) .
> could
> > my fellow breeders please tell me, besides fencing, what kind of
> protection
> > do you use? lgd? if so what breed and why? llamas? i also raise
icelandic
> > sheep , angora goats and angora rabbits, all fenced seperately
from the
> > alpacas, but they would still need protection. all our fences
are no-climb
> > welded wire, 5-6 feet high and metal t-posted with every 3-4
posts a big
> > heavy wood post and all wooden corners. all gates are covered
with wire to
> > the ground.
> > thank you in advance on this chilly wet day..
> > sandy kunath
> > www.glacialridgealpacas.com
> > http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?
name=12491
> >
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Re: [Alpacasite] llamas/alpacas?

I notified AP of the apparent error and here is the response.

Thank you so much. This information will be corrected in our database
shortly.

AP Images

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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:31 PM
To: WWP - AP Images US Support
Subject: Inquiry

The link below was seen on a Yahoo Photos page date line AP - Wed Nov
23, 1:41 PM ET. The photo was supplies by Amy Sancetta. The caption
refers to the animals as llamas. They are in fact alpacas a smaller
relative of the llama. Both are members of the camelid family.

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RE: [Alpacasite] Dam with history of Meningal worm...question

Hi Don,

Hopefully Neil Padgett has his "ears on". I bet he can help with your
question. I'd like to know, too!

Jeannie Wells
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Behalf Of the_alpacarosa
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:00 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Dam with history of Meningal worm...question

hi all,

we have a suri girl here who had meningal worm as a youth and is now 5
years old. she has had 3 very nice cria, with no problems. She is stiff
walking in rear legs. We wonder what some of you have seen with
reagards to lifespan and birthing longevity with these miningal worm
victims.

Thanks

Don
The AlpacaRosa

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Re: [Alpacasite] Fw: protection/gate weakness

I can tell you how I fortified my gates. LOWES has 12" X 12" cement
Stepping stones. I placed these in three rows beneath my gates.
Some I dug up a bit of ground so that the stones are not sitting on top
And cannot be moved, others I placed some new dirt around the
stones. If my Dobers can't get through them then NOTHING can.

Kathryn & Robert Coursey
kathryn@coursey.org
Chipola Alpacas
in the Panhandle of Florida
www.chipolaalpacas.com
(850) 639-6809
i am a source for weeping willow trees
and white mulberry trees.

Some folks are like Slinkies,
Not good for much,
But ya just can't help but smile
When you see one tumble down the
stairs.

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From: auctionqueen
Date: 11/29/05 10:55:55
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Fw: protection?

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From: "notjustyarns" <notjustyarns@tds.net>
To: <Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: protection?

> we're looking into "protection" for our pacas and farm this month. we have
> state game lands on 2 sides of us and our own woods on 1 other side. (road
> in front) so there is alot of woods anything can come through.. we have
> occassional coyotes and wandering dogs(sometimes in groups of 2-3) .
could
> my fellow breeders please tell me, besides fencing, what kind of
protection
> do you use? lgd? if so what breed and why? llamas? i also raise icelandic
> sheep , angora goats and angora rabbits, all fenced seperately from the
> alpacas, but they would still need protection. all our fences are no-climb
> welded wire, 5-6 feet high and metal t-posted with every 3-4 posts a big
> heavy wood post and all wooden corners. all gates are covered with wire to
> the ground.
> thank you in advance on this chilly wet day..
> sandy kunath
> www.glacialridgealpacas.com
> http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?name=12491
>
>

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[Alpacasite] Dam with history of Meningal worm...question

hi all,

we have a suri girl here who had meningal worm as a youth and is now 5
years old. she has had 3 very nice cria, with no problems. She is stiff
walking in rear legs. We wonder what some of you have seen with
reagards to lifespan and birthing longevity with these miningal worm
victims.

Thanks

Don
The AlpacaRosa

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Re: [Alpacasite] DNA test "blood draw" question

I've had better luck pulling blood from the tail than the ear, directions at
<http://www.alpacaregistry.net/forms/FTA_Card_Instructions.pdf>
Note: When pulling from the tail vein, plan on putting pressure on for 60
afterwards, as it will continue to drip

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> Reply-To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:35:34 -0000
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] DNA test "blood draw" question
>
> Hello,
>
> I just got my registration request back from ARI and it said, in a nut
> shell, that there was not enough blood. This alpaca is not a bleeder.
> The poor guy got his ear poked to much already. I even had an alpaca
> breeder friend try and that was the result "not enough blood" Please
> give me some suggestions sort of calling the vet (he is outrageous for
> barn calls). I don't want to put this guy through all that poking and
> proding again. My wallet is suffering too :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary Hervatin
> Taintor Spring Alpacas
> Lewis Run, PA 16738
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[Alpacasite] DNA test "blood draw" question

Hello,

I just got my registration request back from ARI and it said, in a nut
shell, that there was not enough blood. This alpaca is not a bleeder.
The poor guy got his ear poked to much already. I even had an alpaca
breeder friend try and that was the result "not enough blood" Please
give me some suggestions sort of calling the vet (he is outrageous for
barn calls). I don't want to put this guy through all that poking and
proding again. My wallet is suffering too :-)

Thanks,

Mary Hervatin
Taintor Spring Alpacas
Lewis Run, PA 16738

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[Alpacasite] llamas/alpacas?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/sc/112905usweathersnow/im:/051123/480/ohas10611231844;_ylt=AkqdKRxragRw_7XOdywSXtNsaMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--
llamas? or alpacas looks like to me..we need to educate reporters somehow i
think, grin..

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Re: [Alpacasite] Fw: protection?

It's good that you're thinking ahead of protection before a tragedy
strikes.....

We also live very close to a state park and often see and hear coyotes in
our area. And dogs can be a threat no matter where you live. To address
these potential threats, we put up 5' no climb fencing with a strand of
electric running around the bottom. We also got an LGD, an Italian
Maremma Sheepdog. Unfortunately, despite these precautions a coyote was
able to kill our first cria as the Maremma was only a couple of months old
and our gates failed us. I've since been told that gates are the weak
link in any fencing endeavor, and it was certainly true in our case.
Anyway, we fixed the gating problem and the Maremma's now grown. In fact,
we soon added a second Maremma and are now breeding them. Last week we
added a third Maremma to our menagerie. (Although my husband disagrees, I
figure you can never have too many dogs around!) Anyway, no problems with
coyotes since that first one. We still hear them and see them a mile or
more away, but none on or near our property.

I know that others use guard llamas, but for various reasons we didn't go
that route. Primarily, because llamas would reduce the number of alpacas
I can keep on my limited acreage. Also, I'd need a llama or two per
pasture, where dogs can easily be given access to all pastures. Besides,
I like dogs. :) Obviously, then, we're partial to Maremmas. You can
find more information about them at www.all-animals.com/maremmas.
However, there are other breeds, such as the Great Pyrs that also make
excellent LGDs. Both Maremmas and Pyrs are natural protectors while still
being friendly to people.

If I can provide more information, please don't hesitate to ask.
Regards,
Cheryl Ross
Mount Ampato Alpacas
Trotwood, OH
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[Alpacasite] Re: getting into any industry/work efficiency

Lori,

As the years go by and you learn "the tricks of the trade" you will
really be amazed at how easy it is to take good care of even a large
group of alpacas. Much easier than caring for horses!

We currently have about 90. Routine poop scooping, feeding and
watering takes 1 person about 2 hours, including using stall dry and
adding to bedding.

There are many ways to increase your efficiency (read that as "taking
less time to get through routine chores"). As you visit different
farms pay attention to how folks make life easy on themselves.

Neil
A Paca Fun Farm
Mt. Airy, Maryland
Sugarloaf Mountain, Maryland
www.apacafunfarm.com

--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Lori Dzingala" <leolvr@l...>
wrote:
>
> Ok I was starting to get worried that I was not doing something
right with
> my Animals. I thought 50 hrs a week!! What in heavens name can you
be
> doing. I thought you meant the day to day stuff. I have had
horses for
> most of my life and been breeding showing and selling for more then
20 years
> of this.
> We have 6 Alpaca's now and I feel guilty that it seems to take no
time at
> all to look after them. I spend more time watching them then
doing any
> real work :-) My horses take way more time so this seems to
easy :-) They
> don't like to eat all the hay I give them. they prefer the leaves
and the
> horses don't mind the rest. Every couple of days I rake up the
uneaten hay
> and give it to the horses. They have only just started to use the
inside of
> the barn to go to the bathroom, so only had to do pasture clean up
ever few
> days. they have 2 big grass paddocks to roam in. the boys have an
acre of
> grass.
>
> Now I need to work on a webpage for them I just have them added to
my dogs
> webpage but have started their own. So yes now comes the marketing
part:-)
> I am in no rush but I know it takes awhile to get known in a
business. My
> worry is I love the ones I have now how will I ever sell them!!!!!!
>
> Lori
> www.heronview.4t.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patricks' Pastures Alpaca Ranch & Habitat"
> <patrickspastures@v...>
> To: <Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] getting into any industry
>
>
> > OK....50 hrs a week might be high for 4 animals....a thousand
pardons.
> >
> > Everyone does it differently....but to do the right sure the hell
isn't a
> > 2 hour a day or 14 hours a week program.
> >
> > We have 17 animals (alpacas and guard llamas). We have a full
time ranch
> > manager working 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
> >
> > Additionally, we spend about 4 - 6 hours the other 2 days a week
in order
> > to keep our pastures immaculate. I also spend 1 - 2 hours a day
on
> > developing programs, promotion and marketing.
> >
> > This includes:
> > a.. feeding
> > b.. cleaning
> > c.. making repairs
> > d.. watering (pastures and animals)
> > e.. health care
> > f.. maintenance on equipment (tractors, gold carts, mowers, weed
eater,
> > sprayers etc)
> > g.. new projects related to the animals
> > h.. running errands for animal related items and feed
> > i.. vet visits
> > j.. marketing
> > k.. web
> > l.. promotion
> > m.. ranch visits
> > n.. poop mulching
> > o.. mowing pastures
> > p.. just being with the animals
> >
> >
> > Jim Patrick
> > Patricks' Pastures Alpaca Ranch & Habitat
> > 3030 N. Trinity Rd.
> > Denton, TX 76208
> > 940-323-1011 (Ranch Office)
> > 214-505-0754 (Jim Patrick's Mobile)
> > patrickspastures@v...
> > www.patrickspastures.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cathy Drennan
> > To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:13 AM
> > Subject: [Alpacasite] getting into any industry
> >
> >
> > Whether it is alpacas, or any other industry you have to feel a
passion
> > for it. It isn't a means to an end, figuring out on paper how
soon you
> > will be a "gziollionaire". I think that 50 hours for 4 alpacas is
a little
> > over the top. I bought my first 2 bred females and 1 maiden in
2003. I now
> > have 7 females and 4 males (well 1 of them is a gelding)
hopefully four
> > are in the early stages of pregnancy for the fall 2006, and I
still do
> > most of the work myself ( I'm 52). I spend about 45 minutes
morning and
> > evening out there. My vet told me that compared to the rest of
his alpaca
> > farms in terms of cleanliness ( 0 being cleanest - 10 being
filthy) mine
> > would be somewhere in the decimels. I wouldn't trade it for my
former 2
> > hours on the beltway lifestyle for any amount of money. There are
certain
> > projects that may be time consuming and unpleasant - e.g. digging
out the
> > pens in the spring - but it's not a perfect life and you have to
take some
> > of that. It doesn't break the bank to get some help for those
things. For
> > the most part I get a charge out of it, find it spiritually
uplifting to
> > watch the way they interact and bond with their young. My only
regret was
> > taking 10 years to think about it and research it before I
actually took
> > the plunge. With the exception of one preemie who required round
the clock
> > care at home after spending 9 days in New Bolton, I find I have
plenty of
> > time to stop and enjoy my life. By the way, the work was well
worth it, my
> > little preemie is thriving and probably the feistiest one of all
of them.
> > If you work, it might behoove you to have someone part-time to
come in
> > during the day. I wish you the best and hope you enjoy your new
animals.
> > Cathy Drennan, My Lady's Manor Alpaca, Monkton, MD
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Re: [Alpacasite] Parasite control

For those of you who are interested in herbal wormers, diversity in
pasture and other holistic practices for raising your alpacas, consider
joining the list "HolisticAlpaca". We have discussed many of these
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Re: [Alpacasite] getting into any industry

Ok I was starting to get worried that I was not doing something right with
my Animals. I thought 50 hrs a week!! What in heavens name can you be
doing. I thought you meant the day to day stuff. I have had horses for
most of my life and been breeding showing and selling for more then 20 years
of this.
We have 6 Alpaca's now and I feel guilty that it seems to take no time at
all to look after them. I spend more time watching them then doing any
real work :-) My horses take way more time so this seems to easy :-) They
don't like to eat all the hay I give them. they prefer the leaves and the
horses don't mind the rest. Every couple of days I rake up the uneaten hay
and give it to the horses. They have only just started to use the inside of
the barn to go to the bathroom, so only had to do pasture clean up ever few
days. they have 2 big grass paddocks to roam in. the boys have an acre of
grass.

Now I need to work on a webpage for them I just have them added to my dogs
webpage but have started their own. So yes now comes the marketing part:-)
I am in no rush but I know it takes awhile to get known in a business. My
worry is I love the ones I have now how will I ever sell them!!!!!!

Lori
www.heronview.4t.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricks' Pastures Alpaca Ranch & Habitat"
<patrickspastures@verizon.net>
To: <Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] getting into any industry

> OK....50 hrs a week might be high for 4 animals....a thousand pardons.
>
> Everyone does it differently....but to do the right sure the hell isn't a
> 2 hour a day or 14 hours a week program.
>
> We have 17 animals (alpacas and guard llamas). We have a full time ranch
> manager working 7 hours a day, 5 days a week.
>
> Additionally, we spend about 4 - 6 hours the other 2 days a week in order
> to keep our pastures immaculate. I also spend 1 - 2 hours a day on
> developing programs, promotion and marketing.
>
> This includes:
> a.. feeding
> b.. cleaning
> c.. making repairs
> d.. watering (pastures and animals)
> e.. health care
> f.. maintenance on equipment (tractors, gold carts, mowers, weed eater,
> sprayers etc)
> g.. new projects related to the animals
> h.. running errands for animal related items and feed
> i.. vet visits
> j.. marketing
> k.. web
> l.. promotion
> m.. ranch visits
> n.. poop mulching
> o.. mowing pastures
> p.. just being with the animals
>
>
> Jim Patrick
> Patricks' Pastures Alpaca Ranch & Habitat
> 3030 N. Trinity Rd.
> Denton, TX 76208
> 940-323-1011 (Ranch Office)
> 214-505-0754 (Jim Patrick's Mobile)
> patrickspastures@verizon.net
> www.patrickspastures.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cathy Drennan
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: [Alpacasite] getting into any industry
>
>
> Whether it is alpacas, or any other industry you have to feel a passion
> for it. It isn't a means to an end, figuring out on paper how soon you
> will be a "gziollionaire". I think that 50 hours for 4 alpacas is a little
> over the top. I bought my first 2 bred females and 1 maiden in 2003. I now
> have 7 females and 4 males (well 1 of them is a gelding) hopefully four
> are in the early stages of pregnancy for the fall 2006, and I still do
> most of the work myself ( I'm 52). I spend about 45 minutes morning and
> evening out there. My vet told me that compared to the rest of his alpaca
> farms in terms of cleanliness ( 0 being cleanest - 10 being filthy) mine
> would be somewhere in the decimels. I wouldn't trade it for my former 2
> hours on the beltway lifestyle for any amount of money. There are certain
> projects that may be time consuming and unpleasant - e.g. digging out the
> pens in the spring - but it's not a perfect life and you have to take some
> of that. It doesn't break the bank to get some help for those things. For
> the most part I get a charge out of it, find it spiritually uplifting to
> watch the way they interact and bond with their young. My only regret was
> taking 10 years to think about it and research it before I actually took
> the plunge. With the exception of one preemie who required round the clock
> care at home after spending 9 days in New Bolton, I find I have plenty of
> time to stop and enjoy my life. By the way, the work was well worth it, my
> little preemie is thriving and probably the feistiest one of all of them.
> If you work, it might behoove you to have someone part-time to come in
> during the day. I wish you the best and hope you enjoy your new animals.
> Cathy Drennan, My Lady's Manor Alpaca, Monkton, MD
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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