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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Questions about twins

oops...you posted it backwards. Twins of the same sex should be fine
reproductively. It's when you have one of each sex there probably will be an
issue of free martins....females in this situation are usually non-productive.
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

hi Sheri - yes this is another good one - it helps to have more than one solution as every situation is different - thanks for sending this along.
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas

----- Original Message -----
From: Sheri Hewitt
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

Try a mix of 24oz goat milk, 4oz organic vanilla yogurt and 4 oz
whipping cream. This mix tastes good but stays a bit away from so
much sugar. You can use unflavored yogurt if it's not too tart.

Good luck,

Sheri Hewitt
Woodland Meadows, LLC
Creswell, OR

At 09:49 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:

>hi - a while back there was a formula for crias needing a boost
>discussed here - i can't remember all the ingredients,- there was
>caro syrup and whipping cream? or half-and-half? Also need to know
>the recipe / measurement of the ingredients.
>
>Can anyone tell me what it is? (and this time i'll write it down in
>a place i can find it again)
>thanks
>Wendy
>DreamWeaver Alpacas
>
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>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Questions about twins

Hi Ellie,

Twins are not all that common. I have heard that
female twins are not reproductively sound, but if you
have a boy and girl, you are okay.

We have not used just goat milk, because its a bit on
the bitter side. We use whole, raw goat milk, whipping
cream and organic vanilla yogurt for our alpacas. We
had a cria whose mom rejected her a few years back and
she took this recipe for 5 months. I was using plain
yogurt at first, but then she started refusing it so I
switched to vanilla. She sucked it down so fast!

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas

--- Ellie Winslow <winslowellie@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How often do alpacas twin? And is there enough data
> to know if there's a genetic component? For
> instance is a twin more likely to twin? Are they
> even fertile? Is it a desireable thing or not?
>
> On a related note, has anyone raised a cria on
> straight goat milk? I know of several llamas that
> have been, just wondered...
>
> Thanks!
> Ellie
>
>
>
>
> New blog of tips + Marketing Workshops & Books:
> Growing Your Rural Business: From the Inside Out
> Marketing Farm Products: and How to Thrive Beyond
> the Sidewalk
> Making Money With Goats
> http://beyondthesidewalk.com
>
>
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> removed]
>
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: cria formula

wow, a twin is amazing in itself - my youngest daughter was 4 1/2 lb so i know how small that it - good for you to pull her through - this baby must have special meaning in your life.

the formula sounded really good to me, and i wrote it down (but where?) - now i have it recorded in a safe place, where even my 0ver-50 memory can't lose it.

thanks for sharing your twin story - i love to hear our success stories.
cheers
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
----- Original Message -----
From: driwind
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: cria formula

Wendy,

The recipe of Steve Hull's that Susan sent to you works very well. I
raised my tiny twin on it. She was only 4 1/2 pounds when she and her
sister were born 6 months ago and she's doing just fine. (THANK YOU,
STEVE!)

Cinda Young
Driwind Alpacas
El Paso, TX
915-276-1827

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

thanks Susan - this is exactly what i need - I appreciate you sending it along - i have one pregnant mom who concerns me - her last cria had a very hard time of it, and mom was not overly maternal - i am hoping it was because that was her first cria, and that this summer will be different, but i want to be prepared "just in case".
thanks again,
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Forman
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

Wendy:

I found the recipe sitting in my mailbox --- was trying to clean
things up a bit since the computer tends to get full from alpacasite
and all posts seem like keeping...........so found it just last evening........
Susan

This post is from Steve Hull last December 6 on alpacasite.

two cups whole milk (16 oz)
two ounces of "half and half"
a "dab" of whole culture yogurt (~5 ml)
two tablespoons of dried cows milk

If the cria is very young, then the addition of 10 ml of Karo light
syrup (use NO other brand) is very helpful to keep blood glucose above
150 mg/dL.

Note that this blood glucose value of 150 is about DOUBLE the normal
value for adults and other young mammals (kittens, puppies, etc). But
young crias can have a normal blood glucose of 200 or even more.

If you do see some steatorrhea (pasty stool), then putting in a bit more
dry milk (protein) will often "harden up" the stool. Sometimes Karo can
cause loose stools as well (osmotic laxative effect).

Conversely, if your cria has very hard and dry beans (straining at
stool), then a bit more fat (half and half) can ease the cria's
situation.

Slowly adjust proportions of fat, protein and Karo to keep beans in
shape.

I strongly suggest mixing up enough milk for the entire day. The above
is enough for just a few feedings, but the ratios can be used to make up
a larger batch.

Just make changes slowly. For example, if you have steatorrhea, then in
the next batch only change the dried milk in the batch formula (above)
to three tablespoons for a day. If it continues, then leave the dried
milk amount the same (3 tablespoons) and decrease the half and half to
1.5 oz for a few days.

Personally, if I am getting weight gain, have a running about and
"bouncy" cria, then I don't worry too much about a slightly soft stool.

By the way, this mix is also a SUPERB addition to your morning coffee or
tea.

Thank you Marcie!

Steve

Stephen Hull, MS, PhD, Tom Cameron, DVM & families
"a full service alpaca farm including seminars and consulting"
At 12:49 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote:

>hi - a while back there was a formula for crias needing a boost
>discussed here - i can't remember all the ingredients,- there was
>caro syrup and whipping cream? or half-and-half? Also need to know
>the recipe / measurement of the ingredients.
>
>Can anyone tell me what it is? (and this time i'll write it down in
>a place i can find it again)
>thanks
>Wendy
>DreamWeaver Alpacas
>
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>Checked by AVG.
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>5/15/2008 7:24 AM

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

Hi Wendy,

Karo syrup is used when you have hypoglycemia. You
shouldn't normally need it.

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas

--- Sheri Hewitt <sherih@woodlandmeadows.com> wrote:

> Try a mix of 24oz goat milk, 4oz organic vanilla
> yogurt and 4 oz
> whipping cream. This mix tastes good but stays a bit
> away from so
> much sugar. You can use unflavored yogurt if it's
> not too tart.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Sheri Hewitt
> Woodland Meadows, LLC
> Creswell, OR
>
>
>
> At 09:49 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:
>
> >hi - a while back there was a formula for crias
> needing a boost
> >discussed here - i can't remember all the
> ingredients,- there was
> >caro syrup and whipping cream? or half-and-half?
> Also need to know
> >the recipe / measurement of the ingredients.
> >
> >Can anyone tell me what it is? (and this time i'll
> write it down in
> >a place i can find it again)
> >thanks
> >Wendy
> >DreamWeaver Alpacas
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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[AlpacaTalk] Questions about twins

How often do alpacas twin? And is there enough data to know if there's a genetic component? For instance is a twin more likely to twin? Are they even fertile? Is it a desireable thing or not?

On a related note, has anyone raised a cria on straight goat milk? I know of several llamas that have been, just wondered...

Thanks!
Ellie

New blog of tips + Marketing Workshops & Books:
Growing Your Rural Business: From the Inside Out
Marketing Farm Products: and How to Thrive Beyond the Sidewalk
Making Money With Goats
http://beyondthesidewalk.com


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[AlpacaTalk] Re: cria formula

Wendy,

The recipe of Steve Hull's that Susan sent to you works very well. I
raised my tiny twin on it. She was only 4 1/2 pounds when she and her
sister were born 6 months ago and she's doing just fine. (THANK YOU,
STEVE!)

Cinda Young
Driwind Alpacas
El Paso, TX
915-276-1827

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

Try a mix of 24oz goat milk, 4oz organic vanilla yogurt and 4 oz
whipping cream. This mix tastes good but stays a bit away from so
much sugar. You can use unflavored yogurt if it's not too tart.

Good luck,

Sheri Hewitt
Woodland Meadows, LLC
Creswell, OR

At 09:49 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:

>hi - a while back there was a formula for crias needing a boost
>discussed here - i can't remember all the ingredients,- there was
>caro syrup and whipping cream? or half-and-half? Also need to know
>the recipe / measurement of the ingredients.
>
>Can anyone tell me what it is? (and this time i'll write it down in
>a place i can find it again)
>thanks
>Wendy
>DreamWeaver Alpacas
>
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>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria formula

Wendy:

I found the recipe sitting in my mailbox --- was trying to clean
things up a bit since the computer tends to get full from alpacasite
and all posts seem like keeping...........so found it just last evening........
Susan

This post is from Steve Hull last December 6 on alpacasite.

two cups whole milk (16 oz)
two ounces of "half and half"
a "dab" of whole culture yogurt (~5 ml)
two tablespoons of dried cows milk

If the cria is very young, then the addition of 10 ml of Karo light
syrup (use NO other brand) is very helpful to keep blood glucose above
150 mg/dL.

Note that this blood glucose value of 150 is about DOUBLE the normal
value for adults and other young mammals (kittens, puppies, etc). But
young crias can have a normal blood glucose of 200 or even more.

If you do see some steatorrhea (pasty stool), then putting in a bit more
dry milk (protein) will often "harden up" the stool. Sometimes Karo can
cause loose stools as well (osmotic laxative effect).

Conversely, if your cria has very hard and dry beans (straining at
stool), then a bit more fat (half and half) can ease the cria's
situation.

Slowly adjust proportions of fat, protein and Karo to keep beans in
shape.

I strongly suggest mixing up enough milk for the entire day. The above
is enough for just a few feedings, but the ratios can be used to make up
a larger batch.

Just make changes slowly. For example, if you have steatorrhea, then in
the next batch only change the dried milk in the batch formula (above)
to three tablespoons for a day. If it continues, then leave the dried
milk amount the same (3 tablespoons) and decrease the half and half to
1.5 oz for a few days.

Personally, if I am getting weight gain, have a running about and
"bouncy" cria, then I don't worry too much about a slightly soft stool.

By the way, this mix is also a SUPERB addition to your morning coffee or
tea.

Thank you Marcie!

Steve

Stephen Hull, MS, PhD, Tom Cameron, DVM & families
"a full service alpaca farm including seminars and consulting"
At 12:49 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote:

>hi - a while back there was a formula for crias needing a boost
>discussed here - i can't remember all the ingredients,- there was
>caro syrup and whipping cream? or half-and-half? Also need to know
>the recipe / measurement of the ingredients.
>
>Can anyone tell me what it is? (and this time i'll write it down in
>a place i can find it again)
>thanks
>Wendy
>DreamWeaver Alpacas
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG.
>Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date:
>5/15/2008 7:24 AM

Susan Forman & Eric Jenkins
Dewey Morning Alpacas
423 Greenfield-Sabina Rd.
Washington Court House, OH 43160
740-636-1899 Home
937-901-1509 Cell
http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
Home of Huey, Dewey and Louie
----------

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