RE: [Alpacasite] Re: The llama song

My girls will love this one!!

Jay

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From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lisa Robin Olsen
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:49 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: The llama song

Kathy,

Sure do:

http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php

I've been singing that song for months now. Can't get it out of my

head!!!

Warmest Regards,

Lisa Olsen

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> ok... i've lost the link to it and it's about time to pass it

around to our

> newer members anyway.... any one have the link handy?

>

> Kathryn & Robert Coursey

> kathryn@c...

> Chipola Alpacas

> in the Panhandle of Florida

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> (850) 639-6809

> i am a source for weeping willow trees

> and white mulberry trees.

>

> Some folks are like Slinkies,

> Not good for much,

> But ya just can't help but smile

> When you see one tumble down the

> stairs.

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> From: David Friedman

> Date: 11/24/05 23:05:27

> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] The llama song

>

> You know, I love it too. My wife hates it.

>

> Dave

>

> David & Esther Friedman

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>

> At 09:10 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:

> >I just listened to the song again.

> >Still love it.

> >

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RE: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

Steve,

Does the "triple the weight" dose work for Panacur?

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Behalf Of Steve Hull, TimberLake Farms. Inc
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:14 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

The dose "of tripling the weight" is the wrong Safe-guard dose - too

low. The correct dose of the 10% paste is one ml of the paste per

ten lbs of alpaca. Three consecutive days is exactly correct.

Steve H.

At 08:55 AM 11/24/2005, you wrote:

>Hi, Christine:

>Here's a general rule of thumb for dosing with Safeguard. Take your

>alpacas weight, and TRIPLE it, and use that guide on the paste

>tube. So, if your alpaca weighs 150 lbs, dose for 450 lbs. If

>you're not sure of weights, dose a bit higher - much better in this

>case to overdose than underdose. Also, you must do this for 3

>consecutive days. I am assuming that they were fecal tested, and

>Safeguard is the prescribed medication.

>Have a wonderful Thanksgiving - I'm off to see Mom and Dad now, myself!

>Barbara Zachary

>New Age Alpacas

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> Subject: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

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> Hello and Happy Thankgiving,

> I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me so much

> information...my head is reelling.

> But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to be given

> Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose. Could

> someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but that says

> 9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the dial. What

> kind of worm does that take care of?

> Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been prescribed

> Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?

> Thank you in advance for your assistance. I will be waiting patiently

> for a response so I can medicate the girls...THEN...cook dinner.

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[Alpacasite] Re: The llama song

Kathy,

Sure do:
http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php

I've been singing that song for months now. Can't get it out of my
head!!!

Warmest Regards,
Lisa Olsen

Alpaca Atlantic of TN: Full-time Ranchers, Full-time Commitment,
Full-time Support!
Manchester, Tennessee
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--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Kathryn Coursey" <kathryn@c...>
wrote:
>
> ok... i've lost the link to it and it's about time to pass it
around to our
> newer members anyway.... any one have the link handy?
>
> Kathryn & Robert Coursey
> kathryn@c...
> Chipola Alpacas
> in the Panhandle of Florida
> www.chipolaalpacas.com
> (850) 639-6809
> i am a source for weeping willow trees
> and white mulberry trees.
>
> Some folks are like Slinkies,
> Not good for much,
> But ya just can't help but smile
> When you see one tumble down the
> stairs.
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: David Friedman
> Date: 11/24/05 23:05:27
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] The llama song
>
> You know, I love it too. My wife hates it.
>
> Dave
>
> David & Esther Friedman
> Adirondack Alpacas
> "From the Womb to the Loom"
> 9568 Old Stage Road
> Remsen, NY 13438
> www.newyorkalpacas.com
> 315-831-3040
>
> At 09:10 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
> >I just listened to the song again.
> >Still love it.
> >
> >

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Re: [Alpacasite] The llama song

ok... i've lost the link to it and it's about time to pass it around to our
newer members anyway.... any one have the link handy?

Kathryn & Robert Coursey
kathryn@coursey.org
Chipola Alpacas
in the Panhandle of Florida
www.chipolaalpacas.com
(850) 639-6809
i am a source for weeping willow trees
and white mulberry trees.

Some folks are like Slinkies,
Not good for much,
But ya just can't help but smile
When you see one tumble down the
stairs.

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From: David Friedman
Date: 11/24/05 23:05:27
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] The llama song

You know, I love it too. My wife hates it.

Dave

David & Esther Friedman
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Re: [Alpacasite] The llama song

You know, I love it too. My wife hates it.

Dave

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Remsen, NY 13438
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Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Breeding Maidens (again)"culling"

I think of culling as getting rid of something that carries a trait or an
idiosychrozie (spelled) that is not desireable or an animal that is not
useful any longer. Removing daughters and sons from your breeding program
is healthy breeding and is necessary with all animals.Culling is a word
nobody wants to deal with. Even me. Those are the animals I wonder what
happens to. Cathy
StephenOakes Farms
Chester, SC
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Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: Breeding Maidens (again)"culling"

> Surely with all our collective brains we can come up with a marketing word
> to replace "culling" when used to describe an alpaca that we no longer
> desire in our breeding program for whatever reason, but can be useful in
> another program. For example, I just sold a female that I personally
> didn't want to part with, but we have 2 daughters and 3 granddaughters
> from her in our small herd and a reality-check said we needed to allow
> someone else to reap the results of her fine production. Right now I call
> these "sales" alpacas. If I were a major US corporation, I might call it
> "out sourcing for genetic diversity" or some other coined phrase. When I
> think of "cull", I translate it "shouldn't be of any use to anybody".
> Lucy Farrar
> Front Range Alpacas, LLC
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[Alpacasite] Re: The llama song

??????

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[Alpacasite] The llama song

I just listened to the song again.
Still love it.

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Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

Just wondering, but..............why on earth would a breeder send out
animals in need of worming and medicating!?? Would it not be best to get
them to the peak of health and then ship them to new owners?

Barrie Hanslip
Sooke, BC

----- Original Message -----
From: "tfox799947" <tfox799947@yahoo.com>
To: <Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

> Hello and Happy Thankgiving,
> I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me so much
> information...my head is reelling.
> But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to be given
> Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose. Could
> someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but that says
> 9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the dial. What
> kind of worm does that take care of?
> Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been prescribed
> Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?

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[Alpacasite] Re: Breeding Maidens (again)"culling"

Surely with all our collective brains we can come up with a marketing word to replace "culling" when used to describe an alpaca that we no longer desire in our breeding program for whatever reason, but can be useful in another program. For example, I just sold a female that I personally didn't want to part with, but we have 2 daughters and 3 granddaughters from her in our small herd and a reality-check said we needed to allow someone else to reap the results of her fine production. Right now I call these "sales" alpacas. If I were a major US corporation, I might call it "out sourcing for genetic diversity" or some other coined phrase. When I think of "cull", I translate it "shouldn't be of any use to anybody".
Lucy Farrar
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[Alpacasite] Re: Help! Safe-guard question

Christine,

I can't help but to notice that there is a multitude of "correct"
protocols for deworming offered by many of the national camelid
experts. I would think that the key to proper deworming is to know
what you're worming for -- deworm -- then check to make sure you've
accomplished your goals. If the animal is still infested with
parasites (assuming you used the correct wormer), it may suggest
that those parasites are resistant, and you need to move on to
another course of action -- under the supervision of your vet.

I'm looking at Dr Evans manual and he suggests using Panacur (22%)
for 2 consecutive days for the treatment of whip worms (Trichuris).
He also suggests using Panacur (1 day) for the treatment of tape
worms (Moniezia) then repeating the worming in 10 days.

Dr Pugh (Oct 2005 handout) says that tapeworms ".....should be
treated with fenbendazole.............. (20-50 mg/kg) for 3-5
consecutive days, and repeated in 1 week....."

I could go on, but I'm not sure there is a canned protocol for
parasite control, or even for the use of Safeguard/Panacur. Seems
if the previous owner can't tell you what type of parasites your new
girl has -- you might want to have a fecal rechecked so that you
know what you're worming for -- then follow the protocol for that
particular parasite. Remember though to request that the fecal be
checked using the centrifuge method. If you're vet doesn't do it,
write me and I'll send you info on where you can have it done.

Just my thoughts. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving all ;)

Warmest Regards,
Lisa

Alpaca Atlantic of TN: Full-time Ranchers, Full-time Commitment,
Full-time Support!
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Inc" <steve@t...> wrote:
>
> The dose "of tripling the weight" is the wrong Safe-guard dose -
too
> low. The correct dose of the 10% paste is one ml of the paste per
> ten lbs of alpaca. Three consecutive days is exactly correct.
>
> Steve H.
>
>
> At 08:55 AM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi, Christine:
> >Here's a general rule of thumb for dosing with Safeguard. Take
your
> >alpacas weight, and TRIPLE it, and use that guide on the paste
> >tube. So, if your alpaca weighs 150 lbs, dose for 450 lbs. If
> >you're not sure of weights, dose a bit higher - much better in
this
> >case to overdose than underdose. Also, you must do this for 3
> >consecutive days. I am assuming that they were fecal tested, and
> >Safeguard is the prescribed medication.
> >Have a wonderful Thanksgiving - I'm off to see Mom and Dad now,
myself!
> >Barbara Zachary
> >New Age Alpacas
> >Atascadero, CA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tfox799947
> > To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:05 AM
> > Subject: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question
> >
> >
> > Hello and Happy Thankgiving,
> > I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me
so much
> > information...my head is reelling.
> > But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to
be given
> > Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose.
Could
> > someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but
that says
> > 9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the
dial. What
> > kind of worm does that take care of?
> > Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been
prescribed
> > Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?
> > Thank you in advance for your assistance. I will be waiting
patiently
> > for a response so I can medicate the girls...THEN...cook
dinner.
> >
> > Christine Fox
> > Fox's Funny Farm
> > Glidden WI

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Re: [Alpacasite] Alpaca Stop over - I90 around Buffalo

Lars,

more information may get you a better response.

Kathryn & Robert Coursey
kathryn@coursey.org
Chipola Alpacas
in the Panhandle of Florida
www.chipolaalpacas.com
(850) 639-6809
i am a source for weeping willow trees
and white mulberry trees.

Some folks are like Slinkies,
Not good for much,
But ya just can't help but smile
When you see one tumble down the
stairs.

-------Original Message-------

From: Lars Dahl
Date: 11/24/05 12:02:43
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Alpaca Stop over - I90 around Buffalo

I am looking for a farm to leave 4 female alpacas for part of a day,
to be picked up for transport to Washington.
I will be coming via Lewiston bridge crossing tentatively Dec 14 or
15th.

Any help greatly appriciated.Email me dahlbrookfarm@sprint.ca

Cheers
Lars

Dahlbrook Farm
Cookstown, ON
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[Alpacasite] Re: Thinking out loud - Food for thought

Can't say for pigs or cattle, but many years ago one of own horse club
member's husband died suddenly of a heart attack, leaving her with 4
small children. Our club got together several times over the years and
had fence and barn fixing parties. She already had a college aged girl
living with her when he died to help train and care for the horses.
She was able to stay in the business until 3 years ago when her current
husband was murdered.

I'm a single mother, and I worry about who will take care of my animals
if I was to die in the next 10 years or so. My mom is in her 70's and
wouldn't be able to keep up with all the day to day chores for not only
the pacas but all my other animals. I've had a plan for the other
animals, but haven't even gotten around to thinking about where the
pacas would go.

Heidi Christensen
Graham WA

> >What happens in other livestock industries when something like this
> >happens to a rancher or farmer? Are they forced to sell of their
> >dairy herd or pig ranch? Or do other ranches help them out? I just
> >don't know.
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[Alpacasite] A&D Paste for cria's

Hi:

Vet's on vacation. She recommended giving Cria's Vitamin A&D once a
month during winter months in our area. Not much sun...

She forgot to write down how much paste per cria. Does any one know
the number of cc's from the tubes to give the crias monthly?

Thanks!

Debbie
Snowline Alpacas
Spokane, WA
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Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

The dose "of tripling the weight" is the wrong Safe-guard dose - too
low. The correct dose of the 10% paste is one ml of the paste per
ten lbs of alpaca. Three consecutive days is exactly correct.

Steve H.

At 08:55 AM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, Christine:
>Here's a general rule of thumb for dosing with Safeguard. Take your
>alpacas weight, and TRIPLE it, and use that guide on the paste
>tube. So, if your alpaca weighs 150 lbs, dose for 450 lbs. If
>you're not sure of weights, dose a bit higher - much better in this
>case to overdose than underdose. Also, you must do this for 3
>consecutive days. I am assuming that they were fecal tested, and
>Safeguard is the prescribed medication.
>Have a wonderful Thanksgiving - I'm off to see Mom and Dad now, myself!
>Barbara Zachary
>New Age Alpacas
>Atascadero, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tfox799947
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question
>
>
> Hello and Happy Thankgiving,
> I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me so much
> information...my head is reelling.
> But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to be given
> Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose. Could
> someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but that says
> 9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the dial. What
> kind of worm does that take care of?
> Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been prescribed
> Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?
> Thank you in advance for your assistance. I will be waiting patiently
> for a response so I can medicate the girls...THEN...cook dinner.
>
> Christine Fox
> Fox's Funny Farm
> Glidden WI
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Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Breeding Maidens (again)

Wayne,
I think people should be aware that culling is a word to describe an
animal that is no longer wanted within a herd or breeding program.
As the industry matures more and more animals will be culled for age
(cfa in the sheep industries) but will still have a useful role as
breeders in other breeding programs.
Culling for genetic defects including poor fecundity, poor milking
ability, etc should be reflected in both the price and the removal of
breeding papers so these genes are not disributed throughout the
national herd.
Sadly, I suspect that some people have a real reluctance to go that
far, nor do they declare the reason for the sale and thus allow these
animals to keep reproducing to the detriment of both themselves (in
the long run), the national gene pool and the unsuspecting buyer.
I am not so sure though that breeders need to identify reasons for
sale as a standard.
Cheers,
Ian Watt
On Nov 24, 2005, at 12:09 AM, jubileeacres@online.ie wrote:

> Hi Cathy:
> What do you do with culled animals now?
>
> Keep in mind that culling is just removing the animal from the
> breeding
> herd. A culled animal may still be good for fiber.
>
> Also if your herd is of a high enough quality your culls may improve
> some one else's beading herd. I would just love to get the culls
> from a
> few of the top breeders.
>
> When selling full disclosure is the important thing. I am
> selling/culling this animal because ______ should be a statement made
> in every sale.
> --
> Wayne
> Southwestern Ontario,
> Canada
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>
> Quoting Cathy Stephenson <midnightfire@chestertel.com>:
>
>> Okay here goes the question again seeings how the door is open
>> again. If we
>> don't want this as a breed standard---what do you do with culled
>> animals? I
>> know what a dairy or beef herd does but I also realize that
>> alpacas are
>> vastly different. So what do you do. Pass an unexceptable
>> breeder of on
>> another unsuspecting newby to deal with? What a way to build a
>> good name.
>> Cathy
>> StephenOakes Farms
>> Chester, SC
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[Alpacasite] Re: pregnancy testing equipment

Repeat of message 104301

We bought one and had some difficulty using it so we've loaned it to
a well known camilid DVM who is trying it out.

We'll report his results in a while, maybe two to three weeks.

Greystone Manor
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Re: [Alpacasite] Thinking out loud - Food for thought

Hi Janice,

What you have, in essence, expressed here is a sense of community and
family. Ultimately, relationship is all we have. It would be nice
if people could strive for more connectedness, which is
healing. Greed and isolation are what is ailing the world.

My mini-soap-box for Thanksgiving,

Dave

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Remsen, NY 13438
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At 12:34 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote:
>I know, dangerous ground, Janice is thinking....
>
>Seriously, I was reading on another site how a man with health
>problems is "dumping" his llamas. None of us is getting any
>younger, some of us are already facing health problems or have
>health problems in members of our families. Not only that, but our
>animals are getting older too....
>
>I've spoken to a great many alpaca owners in the past few days.
>Everyone that I've spoken to has made the point that our alpacas are
>such a source of comfort and stress relief. What happens to that
>comfort if we are faced with a catastrophic illness in ourselves or
>a family member??
>
>I think that most of us alpaca owners fall into 3 categories.
>Partners where one of them does most of the alpaca care, partners
>where they both share the alpaca care and those fortunate enough to
>be able to hire help. What happens if one of those partners gets
>sick or worse, dies???
>
>I know that I have many alpaca business aquaintences. I also have a
>few dear freinds that are also alpaca owners that I could rely on
>for a little while if I needed to. I also know that facing a
>catastrophic illness, surgery or decline in health would be
>devastating, but also the thought of having to get rid of my herd at
>firesale prices would be just as devastating at an already
>incredibly stressful time. It would be hard to ask for someone to
>care for my animals, but even harder to sell them off, and alpacas
>don't fly off the shelf under ordinary circumstances, do they?
>
>What are the options? How many of us have a plan for the care of
>our animals if we are faced with something like this?
>
>I know that if the owners of one of our local ranches were to face
>something like this, I would offer to do whatever I could to help
>out with their herd for as long as they needed me to.
>
>There is a woman whose husband just had surgery that ended up with
>major complications. She spent most of her time at the hospital
>with her husband. Who was there to help with her herd? I've heard
>of another person who is facing chemotherapy? Who will be there to
>help with their herd? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to say "I'll
>take care of your herd, you just get better?" I realize that that
>isn't possible for everyone, that we all have our own herds and our
>own lives. But, gosh, it sure would be nice to know that if I were
>sick, that I wouldn't have to sell off my beloved animals, my source
>of comfort and stress relief, at a time when everything else is
>going to hell.
>
>What happens in other livestock industries when something like this
>happens to a rancher or farmer? Are they forced to sell of their
>dairy herd or pig ranch? Or do other ranches help them out? I just
>don't know.
>
>Do you think that most alpaca ranches have a network of ranches in
>which to rely on in a situation such as this, or are more
>ranches "on their own" when it comes down to it? Would you rely on
>friends or be willing to ask a total stranger for help if you knew
>that they might be willing?
>
>I know that many of you have joined the emergency network, and many
>more of you have listed your ability to help others here on
>alpacasite. I think that you all have considered the financial and
>physical implications of offering this kind of help. I'm NOT asking
>for volunteers for anything. I'm just wondering if we have
>considered this possibility and have a plan for it's eventuality...
>
>Thanks for listening to my ramblings. I'm not very articlulate, and
>I really wish I had the words to be able to say what I'm thinking,
>but I hope that I got my ideas across. It's been on my mind for
>some time now, and I had to put it down in writing.
>
>Off to sit in the pasture and enjoy my wonderful animals.
>
>Janice Mortimer
>Sandy Acres Alpacas
>Escalon CA
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[Alpacasite] pregnancy testing equipment

does anyone have an opinion on which is better and why between the
Preg Test by Animark and the Preg Tone ?

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[Alpacasite] Alpaca Stop over - I90 around Buffalo

I am looking for a farm to leave 4 female alpacas for part of a day,
to be picked up for transport to Washington.
I will be coming via Lewiston bridge crossing tentatively Dec 14 or
15th.

Any help greatly appriciated.Email me dahlbrookfarm@sprint.ca

Cheers
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Re: [Alpacasite] Marketing your alpacas

Dear llauletta,

You ask a great question and one that IMHO there is not a single best
answer. You will find that each member approaches marketing in different
ways. It depends on your talents, creativity, budget and time. Here are
a few ideas and there are MANY more than mine. Which one is best depends
on your circumstances:

1. Website - personal or paid ones such as AlpacaNation
2. Direct Mail - sending out newsletters, mailings, postcards, etc.
3. AOBA Marketing - Member of the Farm & Ranch Guide and use of lead
program among other programs
4. Local Co-op marketing - AOBA regional associations and local
cooperative marketing groups
5. On Farm open houses/fairs/local events
6. Developing and using local/regional and national PR to generate farm
interest
7. E-Mail - using e-mail to market farm and ranch sales - lists can be
purchased from AOBA

There are so many more to list but I think you might get the idea. AOBA
is a great resource. Contact the main office and ask to see a list of
the marketing tools available to members. They have a vast library of
marketing ideas and tools available to help you.

Use your mentor farm for help. One of the things we offer our clients is
help in marketing their animals.

This group is another great source of ideas. I suspect you will get many
better ideas than mine. If there is anything I can do to help feel free
to contact me directly, I would be more than willing to help.

PS - it is helpful to the list if you sign your posts with a name, farm
name (if applicable) and the city/state locations. It helps other site
participants more directly respond to your questions (some answers to
some questions are very site specific).

Good luck!

Tim Wilson
Sterling Forrest Alpacas
Chagrin Falls, OH
440-708-0022

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[Alpacasite] RE:Re: Name Changes

Ian asked:
>Can I ask why anyone would want to change a name that has been given
>by the person who was responsible for creating this animal?
>Cheers,
>Ian Watt
>

Dear Ian,

One answer from my personal experience: Although I would never dream of
changing a breeder identifier because I respect the care that went into
making the selection and breeding decisions that produced the animal, I
once bought an animal because I loved her fleece (14.2 microns, very dense
and crimpy), but was not crazy about her name (that was given to her by the
folks who imported her). Figured I would change it to something more
uplifting, perhaps "Angelique". Got to know her personality. Kept the old
name.

Smiles,

Ruthanne

Ruthanne McCaslin, DVM

Promised Land Farm
11345 Thwing Rd.
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440-285-9255
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[Alpacasite] any new tax laws?

Hi all,
With the end of the year coming I was wondering if there are any new tax
benefits that have been passed this year?
Thanks,
Sharon
MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & DWARF NIGERIAN GOATS
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[Alpacasite] Re: Help! Safe-guard question

Barbara,

Thank you so much. I am on my way out to the barn now. I do have
current weights and yes they were fecal tested and prescribed Safe-
guard. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Christine Fox
Fox's Funny Farm
Glidden, WI

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Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

Hi, Christine:
Here's a general rule of thumb for dosing with Safeguard. Take your alpacas weight, and TRIPLE it, and use that guide on the paste tube. So, if your alpaca weighs 150 lbs, dose for 450 lbs. If you're not sure of weights, dose a bit higher - much better in this case to overdose than underdose. Also, you must do this for 3 consecutive days. I am assuming that they were fecal tested, and Safeguard is the prescribed medication.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving - I'm off to see Mom and Dad now, myself!
Barbara Zachary
New Age Alpacas
Atascadero, CA
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Hello and Happy Thankgiving,
I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me so much
information...my head is reelling.
But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to be given
Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose. Could
someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but that says
9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the dial. What
kind of worm does that take care of?
Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been prescribed
Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?
Thank you in advance for your assistance. I will be waiting patiently
for a response so I can medicate the girls...THEN...cook dinner.

Christine Fox
Fox's Funny Farm
Glidden WI

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[Alpacasite] Re: Sending blood samples

Liz,

Thanks so much, this makes me a little more comfortable, I just knew
there had to be problems with sending blood in the mail without some
sort of system. We'll give it the ole college try!

Best regards,

Sue Zelazny
Andes Dandies, LLC
http://www.andesdandies.com
Middleport, NY

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> Good Morning Sue;
> According to my talk years ago with the postmaster,
the "proper" way to
> ship blood samples via USPS is:
>
> tape container closed (scotch tape is fine) Yes, I know there are
the
> little tabs, but they do sometimes break/pop.
>
> roll sample in paper towel (I put up to 6 in each towel when
sending the
> small vials to M&M--this will start to absorb any blood) and tape
towel so
> it does not unwind.
>
> Place roll (s) of papertowel with vial(s) into a zip-lock sandwich
bag (or
> snack size)- seal
>
> Place zip-lock sandwich bag into a padded mail envelope with form
filled out
> for Mel.--At this time of year you don't really need any ice packs,
but if
> you use one, put it here. There are companies that made some great
flat one
> that will fit.
> I always address this padded envelope and write "Veterinary Blood
Samples
> Enclosed for Pregnancy Testing" (the layman can understand this
rather than
> Alpaca Progesterone Specimines!
>
> Place padded mail envelope into the hard "flat rate" express mail
envelope
> and mail.
>
> This takes care of the "three tier" protection they request. If
you are
> sending via FedEx, they have a special envelope marked biohazzard
that needs
> to be used. Hope this help and that you get the results you are
seeking!
>
> Happy T-day!
> Hums,
> Liz Mitchko
> Whirlwind Ranch
> Lebanon MO
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online
> > or in my archives. What are the procedures to send a blood sample
to
> > M&M labs (or another lab)? We have their form, and their little
plastic
> > containers, but no directions, and nothing on their site. In this
day &
> > age of mail security, and biosecurity, I find it hard to believe
I can
> > just pop it in any old envelope & mail it off? Blood??
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> > Of course, this being the holiday weekend I'm not likely to get
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