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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group

He put me on perma-moderate on AS over a year ago. I
finally changed my preference to read-only, so I don't
have to listen to the daily BS anymore and the rules
and fines and...then he kicked me off AlpacaPolitics.
I am sick of reading about him and his mood swings.
How is it that he is free to act out but others are
put on moderate when they step out of line?

I hereby nominate this a Rick free zone. All in favor
say "aye".

Stephanie
Stardust Alpacas


--- Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
wrote:

> Well I'm not sure what you mean about beating my
> head against the
> wall... I read AS far less than I do the AN "forum,"
> both have
> moderator problems, if you ask me, which nobody
> has... ;>
>
> I just think it's time people stop putting up with
> stupid nonsense
> dished out by that list owner, and move to a group
> where that sort of
> childishness is not tolerated... from the
> owner/moderator.
>
> For him to have named 4 moderators and not given
> them any ability to
> actually moderate, I think that is the most
> insulting and ludicrous
> thing I've ever seen. Rule #1 in management: Do not
> give responsibility
> without also granting authority.
> Rule #1 in my book: If you expect respect, you can't
> act like an ass
> and treat people like crap whenever you feel like
> it.
> I think he has broken both rules, and he breaks my
> #1 rule constantly.
> I cannot figure out why people kow-tow to and fawn
> over him. At least
> I'm glad to see that more people are seeing the
> light, and seeing his
> true colors.
>
> Anyway, spread the word that THIS group really does
> respect everyone
> and their opinions, and we really do treat people
> like adults.
>
> Best,
> Heather
>
> On May 8, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Heidi Christensen wrote:
>
> >
> > Not only are we different, but there is nothing
> we can do about
> > others' differences. I understand Heather's
> frustration, but don't
> > feel that beating her head against the proverbial
> wall is going to
> > do anything. It won't change Rick, and all it
> does is bring up more
> > bad feelings. And yes, I have also been on Rick's
> s**t list, and
> > when I apologized and tried to explain, he called
> me a liar. Its
> > not something I have talked about before, and
> won't again because
> > nothing positive could come of it.
> >
> > I value this site, and alpaca site, and all the
> others - even the
> > politics site. But with AS I have gotten to the
> point where I just
> > scan the digests every couple days or so, or
> search the archives if
> > I have a specific question. I was surprized to
> read about the 30
> > day absence and 4 moderators etc etc. But I
> suppose change is good.
> >
> > Heidi Christensen
> > WingNut Farm
> > Graham WA
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Toni Kester
> <yarnpeddler1@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree! Yeee Haaaw sisters! and brothers
> too...sorry guys!
> > > I am so happy to know that there is a place
> that I can go and
> > post with out fear of any kind. Heather, thank
> you so much for
> > being the kind of person who believes in free
> speech and quality
> > care of animals!
> > >
> > > We all have our differences....we just need to
> respect that we
> > ARE different. There is a song by Alanis
> Morrisett
> > called "utopia". It is simply amazing. The lyrics
> are below....
> > >
> > >
> > > we'd gather around all in a room fasten our
> belts engage in
> > dialogue
> > > we'd all slow down rest without guilt not lie
> without fear
> > disagree sans judgement
> > >
> > > we would stay and respond and expand and
> include and allow and
> > forgive and
> > > enjoy and evolve and discern and inquire and
> accept and admit and
> > divulge and open and reach out and speak up
> > >
> > > This is utopia this is my utopia
> > > This is my ideal my end in sight
> > > Utopia this is my utopia
> > > This is my nirvana
> > > My ultimate
> > >
> > > we'd open our arms we'd all jump in we'd all
> coast down into
> > safety nets we would share and listen and support
> and welcome be
> > propelled by passion not
> > > invest in outcomes we would breathe and be
> charmed and amused by
> > difference be gentle and make room for every
> emotion
> > >
> > > we'd provide forums we'd all speak out we'd all
> be heard we'd all
> > feel seen
> > > we'd rise post-obstacle more defined more
> grateful we would heal
> > be humbled
> > > and be unstoppable we'd hold close and let go
> and know when to do
> > which we'd release and disarm and stand up and
> feel safe
> > >
> > > this is utopia this is my utopia
> > > this is my ideal my end in sight
> > > utopia this is my utopia
> > > this is my nirvana
> > > my ultimate
> > >
> > > LunarStruck@... wrote:
> > > YEAHHHHHHH Heather!!!!!! Way to go!!!!
> Surprise,
> > surprise, my emails are
> > > not making it to Alpacasite either!
> > >
> > > Susan Olson
> > > Alpaca Loco
> > > Riverside, CA
> > > =^..^=
> > >
> > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner
> Tonight? Get new twists
> > on family
> > > favorites at AOL Food.
> > >
>
(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be Well
> > >
> > > Toni Kester
> > > Spirit Eagle Alpacas
> > > Lakewood, Wa
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all
> with Yahoo!
> > Mobile. Try it now.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group

Well I'm not sure what you mean about beating my head against the
wall... I read AS far less than I do the AN "forum," both have
moderator problems, if you ask me, which nobody has... ;>

I just think it's time people stop putting up with stupid nonsense
dished out by that list owner, and move to a group where that sort of
childishness is not tolerated... from the owner/moderator.

For him to have named 4 moderators and not given them any ability to
actually moderate, I think that is the most insulting and ludicrous
thing I've ever seen. Rule #1 in management: Do not give responsibility
without also granting authority.
Rule #1 in my book: If you expect respect, you can't act like an ass
and treat people like crap whenever you feel like it.
I think he has broken both rules, and he breaks my #1 rule constantly.
I cannot figure out why people kow-tow to and fawn over him. At least
I'm glad to see that more people are seeing the light, and seeing his
true colors.

Anyway, spread the word that THIS group really does respect everyone
and their opinions, and we really do treat people like adults.

Best,
Heather

On May 8, 2008, at 8:44 PM, Heidi Christensen wrote:

>
> Not only are we different, but there is nothing we can do about
> others' differences. I understand Heather's frustration, but don't
> feel that beating her head against the proverbial wall is going to
> do anything. It won't change Rick, and all it does is bring up more
> bad feelings. And yes, I have also been on Rick's s**t list, and
> when I apologized and tried to explain, he called me a liar. Its
> not something I have talked about before, and won't again because
> nothing positive could come of it.
>
> I value this site, and alpaca site, and all the others - even the
> politics site. But with AS I have gotten to the point where I just
> scan the digests every couple days or so, or search the archives if
> I have a specific question. I was surprized to read about the 30
> day absence and 4 moderators etc etc. But I suppose change is good.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm
> Graham WA
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Toni Kester <yarnpeddler1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I agree! Yeee Haaaw sisters! and brothers too...sorry guys!
> > I am so happy to know that there is a place that I can go and
> post with out fear of any kind. Heather, thank you so much for
> being the kind of person who believes in free speech and quality
> care of animals!
> >
> > We all have our differences....we just need to respect that we
> ARE different. There is a song by Alanis Morrisett
> called "utopia". It is simply amazing. The lyrics are below....
> >
> >
> > we'd gather around all in a room fasten our belts engage in
> dialogue
> > we'd all slow down rest without guilt not lie without fear
> disagree sans judgement
> >
> > we would stay and respond and expand and include and allow and
> forgive and
> > enjoy and evolve and discern and inquire and accept and admit and
> divulge and open and reach out and speak up
> >
> > This is utopia this is my utopia
> > This is my ideal my end in sight
> > Utopia this is my utopia
> > This is my nirvana
> > My ultimate
> >
> > we'd open our arms we'd all jump in we'd all coast down into
> safety nets we would share and listen and support and welcome be
> propelled by passion not
> > invest in outcomes we would breathe and be charmed and amused by
> difference be gentle and make room for every emotion
> >
> > we'd provide forums we'd all speak out we'd all be heard we'd all
> feel seen
> > we'd rise post-obstacle more defined more grateful we would heal
> be humbled
> > and be unstoppable we'd hold close and let go and know when to do
> which we'd release and disarm and stand up and feel safe
> >
> > this is utopia this is my utopia
> > this is my ideal my end in sight
> > utopia this is my utopia
> > this is my nirvana
> > my ultimate
> >
> > LunarStruck@... wrote:
> > YEAHHHHHHH Heather!!!!!! Way to go!!!! Surprise,
> surprise, my emails are
> > not making it to Alpacasite either!
> >
> > Susan Olson
> > Alpaca Loco
> > Riverside, CA
> > =^..^=
> >
> > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists
> on family
> > favorites at AOL Food.
> > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be Well
> >
> > Toni Kester
> > Spirit Eagle Alpacas
> > Lakewood, Wa
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> Mobile. Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group


Not only are we different, but there is nothing we can do about
others' differences. I understand Heather's frustration, but don't
feel that beating her head against the proverbial wall is going to
do anything. It won't change Rick, and all it does is bring up more
bad feelings. And yes, I have also been on Rick's s**t list, and
when I apologized and tried to explain, he called me a liar. Its
not something I have talked about before, and won't again because
nothing positive could come of it.

I value this site, and alpaca site, and all the others - even the
politics site. But with AS I have gotten to the point where I just
scan the digests every couple days or so, or search the archives if
I have a specific question. I was surprized to read about the 30
day absence and 4 moderators etc etc. But I suppose change is good.

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm
Graham WA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Toni Kester <yarnpeddler1@...>
wrote:
>
> I agree! Yeee Haaaw sisters! and brothers too...sorry guys!
> I am so happy to know that there is a place that I can go and
post with out fear of any kind. Heather, thank you so much for
being the kind of person who believes in free speech and quality
care of animals!
>
> We all have our differences....we just need to respect that we
ARE different. There is a song by Alanis Morrisett
called "utopia". It is simply amazing. The lyrics are below....
>
>
> we'd gather around all in a room fasten our belts engage in
dialogue
> we'd all slow down rest without guilt not lie without fear
disagree sans judgement
>
> we would stay and respond and expand and include and allow and
forgive and
> enjoy and evolve and discern and inquire and accept and admit and
divulge and open and reach out and speak up
>
> This is utopia this is my utopia
> This is my ideal my end in sight
> Utopia this is my utopia
> This is my nirvana
> My ultimate
>
> we'd open our arms we'd all jump in we'd all coast down into
safety nets we would share and listen and support and welcome be
propelled by passion not
> invest in outcomes we would breathe and be charmed and amused by
difference be gentle and make room for every emotion
>
> we'd provide forums we'd all speak out we'd all be heard we'd all
feel seen
> we'd rise post-obstacle more defined more grateful we would heal
be humbled
> and be unstoppable we'd hold close and let go and know when to do
which we'd release and disarm and stand up and feel safe
>
> this is utopia this is my utopia
> this is my ideal my end in sight
> utopia this is my utopia
> this is my nirvana
> my ultimate
>
> LunarStruck@... wrote:
> YEAHHHHHHH Heather!!!!!! Way to go!!!! Surprise,
surprise, my emails are
> not making it to Alpacasite either!
>
> Susan Olson
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
> =^..^=
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists
on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be Well
>
> Toni Kester
> Spirit Eagle Alpacas
> Lakewood, Wa
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile. Try it now.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group

Hi Sue,

Yes, that is it..the owner has all the privileges and can either grant or
not any abilities to the moderators. He had it set so that we could not
control anything that was happening. Each email that someone tried to post
made an email in our inbox at home telling each of us that someone was
trying to post.

A second email asked us to approve or deny the post

A third email then confirmed that we'd made a decision

A fourth email then confirmed that the post had been allowed to go on the
site.

That meant that for each posting our boxes were being bombed...and then
everyone started posting repeatedly because they did not immediately see
their posts coming through.and that really stuffed the boxes.especially for
those of us who work "away from the farm" so to speak..

And, further.we could not modify the settings to correct that constant
bombardment.. Now it was not nice for me and the others.especially Jan
Davis. That computer is her eye on the world.she can't easily get around so
stuffing her box with mounds of unnecessary mail covering up what is
important.is NOT KIND to say the least.

So we were then madly emailing among our selves to see if we could affect
those settings to turn off the endless stream of folks having a personal
meltdown when the site was not quickly passing their posts through.

That was not done by us.we did not even know.in my instance at least.that it
was happening for several hours. I was at work, not home so my box was
truly stuffed with this mail mixed through my normal mail feeds.and that
took time just to sort.

So, then folks were rabidly posting and reposting because they were not sure
what was happening. How the archives and some of the other stuff
disappeared, I don't know. We were all examining our moderator buttons to
see what might affect the never ending stream of posts to our home boxes.and
we might have touched something.but we certainly did not start the flood,
nor mean to screw it up more!

Best Regards,

Allison

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sue Ives
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:21 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group

Hi Allison

I have seen folks post a couple of times that there are passwords
that are being withheld. Actually, unless Rick has been able to take
the Yahoo group to a level I don't know about (which is entirely
possible)there aren't actually passwords. What I think has happened
is that he has only assigned minimal priviledges to the moderators.
Moderators can have the same capabilities as the Owner but the Owner
has to grant that. Hopefully thinngs will straighten out soon. It
sounds like you were booted as a moderator- sorry to hear that; I
think you would have made a good one.

Sue Ives
Woodford, VA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Allison Moss-Fritch"
<aemoss17@...> wrote:
>
> Your words are kind, thoughtful and pretty much right on...Thanks
for the
> kindness.
>
>
>
> I am sorry that Alpacasite was/is in such an uproar. I think the
lull is
> not true stability. It still concerns me that with Rick at the
helm,
> sooner or later there will be yet another repeat.
>
>
>
> He's still owner. No moderator can reach the settings..he's got
all the
> passwords, so it is a matter of time. After all, this is not the
first time
> he's done this in my recollection; and for that very reason.adult
behavior
> tends to repeat in a history so..the best indicator of future
behavior
> becomes past behavior..and that would indicate that he will "lose
it"
> again.sooner or later. It just does not seem good for the site
overall
> that 3100 folks get pushed aside while he has a meltdown. They are
all nice
> about it..but it just should not have happened and certainly,
should not
> happen again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> 408/248-3581
>
> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com
>
>
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:15 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AlpacaTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group
>
>
>
> I recently posted this to Alpacasite, but surprise, surprise, it
has
> not as yet, been posted to the group. I seriously doubt if the
> egomaniac in charge will ever really let go of the reins, but there
is
> an alternative! Right here! I'll go on record that I have never
removed
> a true alpaca breeder member. I have removed spammers, and I did
> moderate one member's posting privileges. And, even though this
group
> is small by comparison the other group, I have entertained adding
more
> moderators. One person cannot man the site 24 hours a day, one
> moderator cannot possibly answer all of the needs of a group as
large
> as the one currently in so much turmoil.
>
> Frankly, much of that turmoil was caused by the owner/moderator
> himself. Who needs that? Is that really appropriate for adult
> business-people? I can tell you, I'll take my business else-where.
So
> this is admittedly AlpacaTalk serving, but tell your friends to
join
> this group and post here. I won't ban or perma-moderate you if you
> disagree with me or even if you have something negative to say
about
> me! Ask the people who have done so! All I ask is that you don't
post
> business ads here. Yes, some that I've let slide do perform a high-
wire
> act of straddling the line... shearers and transporters
specifically..
> but since we are all in need of shearers I figure the more
opportunity
> the better...
>
> Just do not post your alpacas for sale, or LGDs for sale, or
herdsires
> for hire. That is definitely where I draw the line.
>
> And, being that I am very open minded and this group is open to
> discussion by its members, please feel free to weigh in on your
> opinions.
>
> I have not added more moderators to this point, because I felt I
could
> handle the stuff that happens here... so far. But I have felt for
at
> least 2 or 3 years that I should think about adding another
moderator
> or few, just t make sure we don't have a situation like what
happened
> at that other Yahoo alpaca group. I say it her and I said it there
> (although I don't think it made it to the group - due to my
> "perma-moderation" there) "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And
> don't think I haven't thought about that every time I wanted to
delete
> a post from this member or that, which was critical of me. and I
stayed
> my hand, because I believe that freedom of speech is more important
> than my own personal beliefs.
>
> So, anyway, spread the word, this group is open to all alpaca
breeders
> or enthusiasts. And I do want to add more moderators, because
sometimes
> I would like a break! :)
>
> Best wishes,
> Heather
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...
> <mailto:alpacatalk%40westwindalpacas.com> >
> > Date: May 7, 2008 6:38:09 PM PDT
> > To: alpacasite@yahoogroups.com <mailto:alpacasite%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:alpacasite%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Current status of group
> >
> > Well, this may well get me banned for good or back to
> > perma-moderation, meaning I can never post here again (if it even
> > makes it to the group at all), but I have to speak up a little.
> >
> > Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
> > Does anyone recall the recent meltdown of another alpaca breeder
> > witnessed on a different "forum?" He has since been diagnosed
with
> > bi-polar personality disorder, and admitted himself that he will
be on
> > meds for tit for the rest of his life. I'll say maybe our august
> > moderator of the past 4 years ought to consider an evaluation.
His
> > latest tantrums and unfathomable behavior demands he no longer
have
> > control of this group.
> >
> > It seems that there truly does need to be a more democratic
nature of
> > a discussion group such as this one. All views ought to be able
to be
> > expressed without fear of retribution or silencing. Sheesh, the
way
> > this group has been run for the past 4 years reminds me of Haiti
under
> > Baby Doc or Chile under Pinochet. I'm not the first to make that
> > comparison.
> >
> > For one to demand respect from members, one has to also treat
members
> > with respect.
> >
> > I say, yes, let's put this to a vote. Those who want "4 more
years,"
> > make yourselves heard. Those who feel that we can dispense with
the
> > derision and flippant responses to no end, also make yourselves
heard.
> >
> > And if the current regime doesn't yield to the wants of the
> > membership, there are alternatives.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Heather Zeleny
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group

Hi Allison

I have seen folks post a couple of times that there are passwords
that are being withheld. Actually, unless Rick has been able to take
the Yahoo group to a level I don't know about (which is entirely
possible)there aren't actually passwords. What I think has happened
is that he has only assigned minimal priviledges to the moderators.
Moderators can have the same capabilities as the Owner but the Owner
has to grant that. Hopefully thinngs will straighten out soon. It
sounds like you were booted as a moderator- sorry to hear that; I
think you would have made a good one.

Sue Ives
Woodford, VA

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Allison Moss-Fritch"
<aemoss17@...> wrote:
>
> Your words are kind, thoughtful and pretty much right on...Thanks
for the
> kindness.
>
>
>
> I am sorry that Alpacasite was/is in such an uproar. I think the
lull is
> not true stability. It still concerns me that with Rick at the
helm,
> sooner or later there will be yet another repeat.
>
>
>
> He's still owner. No moderator can reach the settings..he's got
all the
> passwords, so it is a matter of time. After all, this is not the
first time
> he's done this in my recollection; and for that very reason.adult
behavior
> tends to repeat in a history so..the best indicator of future
behavior
> becomes past behavior..and that would indicate that he will "lose
it"
> again.sooner or later. It just does not seem good for the site
overall
> that 3100 folks get pushed aside while he has a meltdown. They are
all nice
> about it..but it just should not have happened and certainly,
should not
> happen again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> 408/248-3581
>
> http://www.newmoonalpacas.com
>
>
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:15 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group
>
>
>
> I recently posted this to Alpacasite, but surprise, surprise, it
has
> not as yet, been posted to the group. I seriously doubt if the
> egomaniac in charge will ever really let go of the reins, but there
is
> an alternative! Right here! I'll go on record that I have never
removed
> a true alpaca breeder member. I have removed spammers, and I did
> moderate one member's posting privileges. And, even though this
group
> is small by comparison the other group, I have entertained adding
more
> moderators. One person cannot man the site 24 hours a day, one
> moderator cannot possibly answer all of the needs of a group as
large
> as the one currently in so much turmoil.
>
> Frankly, much of that turmoil was caused by the owner/moderator
> himself. Who needs that? Is that really appropriate for adult
> business-people? I can tell you, I'll take my business else-where.
So
> this is admittedly AlpacaTalk serving, but tell your friends to
join
> this group and post here. I won't ban or perma-moderate you if you
> disagree with me or even if you have something negative to say
about
> me! Ask the people who have done so! All I ask is that you don't
post
> business ads here. Yes, some that I've let slide do perform a high-
wire
> act of straddling the line... shearers and transporters
specifically..
> but since we are all in need of shearers I figure the more
opportunity
> the better...
>
> Just do not post your alpacas for sale, or LGDs for sale, or
herdsires
> for hire. That is definitely where I draw the line.
>
> And, being that I am very open minded and this group is open to
> discussion by its members, please feel free to weigh in on your
> opinions.
>
> I have not added more moderators to this point, because I felt I
could
> handle the stuff that happens here... so far. But I have felt for
at
> least 2 or 3 years that I should think about adding another
moderator
> or few, just t make sure we don't have a situation like what
happened
> at that other Yahoo alpaca group. I say it her and I said it there
> (although I don't think it made it to the group - due to my
> "perma-moderation" there) "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And
> don't think I haven't thought about that every time I wanted to
delete
> a post from this member or that, which was critical of me. and I
stayed
> my hand, because I believe that freedom of speech is more important
> than my own personal beliefs.
>
> So, anyway, spread the word, this group is open to all alpaca
breeders
> or enthusiasts. And I do want to add more moderators, because
sometimes
> I would like a break! :)
>
> Best wishes,
> Heather
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@...
> <mailto:alpacatalk%40westwindalpacas.com> >
> > Date: May 7, 2008 6:38:09 PM PDT
> > To: alpacasite@yahoogroups.com <mailto:alpacasite%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Current status of group
> >
> > Well, this may well get me banned for good or back to
> > perma-moderation, meaning I can never post here again (if it even
> > makes it to the group at all), but I have to speak up a little.
> >
> > Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
> > Does anyone recall the recent meltdown of another alpaca breeder
> > witnessed on a different "forum?" He has since been diagnosed
with
> > bi-polar personality disorder, and admitted himself that he will
be on
> > meds for tit for the rest of his life. I'll say maybe our august
> > moderator of the past 4 years ought to consider an evaluation.
His
> > latest tantrums and unfathomable behavior demands he no longer
have
> > control of this group.
> >
> > It seems that there truly does need to be a more democratic
nature of
> > a discussion group such as this one. All views ought to be able
to be
> > expressed without fear of retribution or silencing. Sheesh, the
way
> > this group has been run for the past 4 years reminds me of Haiti
under
> > Baby Doc or Chile under Pinochet. I'm not the first to make that
> > comparison.
> >
> > For one to demand respect from members, one has to also treat
members
> > with respect.
> >
> > I say, yes, let's put this to a vote. Those who want "4 more
years,"
> > make yourselves heard. Those who feel that we can dispense with
the
> > derision and flippant responses to no end, also make yourselves
heard.
> >
> > And if the current regime doesn't yield to the wants of the
> > membership, there are alternatives.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Heather Zeleny
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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