[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Current status of group
Hi Allison
I have seen folks post a couple of times that there are passwords
that are being withheld. Actually, unless Rick has been able to take
the Yahoo group to a level I don't know about (which is entirely
possible)there aren't actually passwords. What I think has happened
is that he has only assigned minimal priviledges to the moderators.
Moderators can have the same capabilities as the Owner but the Owner
has to grant that. Hopefully thinngs will straighten out soon. It
sounds like you were booted as a moderator- sorry to hear that; I
think you would have made a good one.
Sue Ives
Woodford, VA
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
<aemoss17@..
>
> Your words are kind, thoughtful and pretty much right on...Thanks
for the
> kindness.
>
>
>
> I am sorry that Alpacasite was/is in such an uproar. I think the
lull is
> not true stability. It still concerns me that with Rick at the
helm,
> sooner or later there will be yet another repeat.
>
>
>
> He's still owner. No moderator can reach the settings..he'
all the
> passwords, so it is a matter of time. After all, this is not the
first time
> he's done this in my recollection; and for that very reason.adult
behavior
> tends to repeat in a history so..the best indicator of future
behavior
> becomes past behavior..and that would indicate that he will "lose
it"
> again.sooner or later. It just does not seem good for the site
overall
> that 3100 folks get pushed aside while he has a meltdown. They are
all nice
> about it..but it just should not have happened and certainly,
should not
> happen again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Allison E. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> 408/248-3581
>
> http://www.newmoona
>
>
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
[mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:15 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group
>
>
>
> I recently posted this to Alpacasite, but surprise, surprise, it
has
> not as yet, been posted to the group. I seriously doubt if the
> egomaniac in charge will ever really let go of the reins, but there
is
> an alternative! Right here! I'll go on record that I have never
removed
> a true alpaca breeder member. I have removed spammers, and I did
> moderate one member's posting privileges. And, even though this
group
> is small by comparison the other group, I have entertained adding
more
> moderators. One person cannot man the site 24 hours a day, one
> moderator cannot possibly answer all of the needs of a group as
large
> as the one currently in so much turmoil.
>
> Frankly, much of that turmoil was caused by the owner/moderator
> himself. Who needs that? Is that really appropriate for adult
> business-people? I can tell you, I'll take my business else-where.
So
> this is admittedly AlpacaTalk serving, but tell your friends to
join
> this group and post here. I won't ban or perma-moderate you if you
> disagree with me or even if you have something negative to say
about
> me! Ask the people who have done so! All I ask is that you don't
post
> business ads here. Yes, some that I've let slide do perform a high-
wire
> act of straddling the line... shearers and transporters
specifically.
> but since we are all in need of shearers I figure the more
opportunity
> the better...
>
> Just do not post your alpacas for sale, or LGDs for sale, or
herdsires
> for hire. That is definitely where I draw the line.
>
> And, being that I am very open minded and this group is open to
> discussion by its members, please feel free to weigh in on your
> opinions.
>
> I have not added more moderators to this point, because I felt I
could
> handle the stuff that happens here... so far. But I have felt for
at
> least 2 or 3 years that I should think about adding another
moderator
> or few, just t make sure we don't have a situation like what
happened
> at that other Yahoo alpaca group. I say it her and I said it there
> (although I don't think it made it to the group - due to my
> "perma-moderation" there) "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And
> don't think I haven't thought about that every time I wanted to
delete
> a post from this member or that, which was critical of me. and I
stayed
> my hand, because I believe that freedom of speech is more important
> than my own personal beliefs.
>
> So, anyway, spread the word, this group is open to all alpaca
breeders
> or enthusiasts. And I do want to add more moderators, because
sometimes
> I would like a break! :)
>
> Best wishes,
> Heather
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > Date: May 7, 2008 6:38:09 PM PDT
> > To: alpacasite@yahoogro
40yahoogroups.
> > Subject: Current status of group
> >
> > Well, this may well get me banned for good or back to
> > perma-moderation, meaning I can never post here again (if it even
> > makes it to the group at all), but I have to speak up a little.
> >
> > Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
> > Does anyone recall the recent meltdown of another alpaca breeder
> > witnessed on a different "forum?" He has since been diagnosed
with
> > bi-polar personality disorder, and admitted himself that he will
be on
> > meds for tit for the rest of his life. I'll say maybe our august
> > moderator of the past 4 years ought to consider an evaluation.
His
> > latest tantrums and unfathomable behavior demands he no longer
have
> > control of this group.
> >
> > It seems that there truly does need to be a more democratic
nature of
> > a discussion group such as this one. All views ought to be able
to be
> > expressed without fear of retribution or silencing. Sheesh, the
way
> > this group has been run for the past 4 years reminds me of Haiti
under
> > Baby Doc or Chile under Pinochet. I'm not the first to make that
> > comparison.
> >
> > For one to demand respect from members, one has to also treat
members
> > with respect.
> >
> > I say, yes, let's put this to a vote. Those who want "4 more
years,"
> > make yourselves heard. Those who feel that we can dispense with
the
> > derision and flippant responses to no end, also make yourselves
heard.
> >
> > And if the current regime doesn't yield to the wants of the
> > membership, there are alternatives.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Heather Zeleny
> >
>
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>
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>
>
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