RE: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group
Your words are kind, thoughtful and pretty much right on...Thanks for the
kindness.
I am sorry that Alpacasite was/is in such an uproar. I think the lull is
not true stability. It still concerns me that with Rick at the helm,
sooner or later there will be yet another repeat.
He's still owner. No moderator can reach the settings..he'
passwords, so it is a matter of time. After all, this is not the first time
he's done this in my recollection; and for that very reason.adult behavior
tends to repeat in a history so..the best indicator of future behavior
becomes past behavior..and that would indicate that he will "lose it"
again.sooner or later. It just does not seem good for the site overall
that 3100 folks get pushed aside while he has a meltdown. They are all nice
about it..but it just should not have happened and certainly, should not
happen again.
Allison E. Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA
408/248-3581
http://www.newmoona
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:15 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group
I recently posted this to Alpacasite, but surprise, surprise, it has
not as yet, been posted to the group. I seriously doubt if the
egomaniac in charge will ever really let go of the reins, but there is
an alternative! Right here! I'll go on record that I have never removed
a true alpaca breeder member. I have removed spammers, and I did
moderate one member's posting privileges. And, even though this group
is small by comparison the other group, I have entertained adding more
moderators. One person cannot man the site 24 hours a day, one
moderator cannot possibly answer all of the needs of a group as large
as the one currently in so much turmoil.
Frankly, much of that turmoil was caused by the owner/moderator
himself. Who needs that? Is that really appropriate for adult
business-people? I can tell you, I'll take my business else-where. So
this is admittedly AlpacaTalk serving, but tell your friends to join
this group and post here. I won't ban or perma-moderate you if you
disagree with me or even if you have something negative to say about
me! Ask the people who have done so! All I ask is that you don't post
business ads here. Yes, some that I've let slide do perform a high-wire
act of straddling the line... shearers and transporters specifically.
but since we are all in need of shearers I figure the more opportunity
the better...
Just do not post your alpacas for sale, or LGDs for sale, or herdsires
for hire. That is definitely where I draw the line.
And, being that I am very open minded and this group is open to
discussion by its members, please feel free to weigh in on your
opinions.
I have not added more moderators to this point, because I felt I could
handle the stuff that happens here... so far. But I have felt for at
least 2 or 3 years that I should think about adding another moderator
or few, just t make sure we don't have a situation like what happened
at that other Yahoo alpaca group. I say it her and I said it there
(although I don't think it made it to the group - due to my
"perma-moderation" there) "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And
don't think I haven't thought about that every time I wanted to delete
a post from this member or that, which was critical of me. and I stayed
my hand, because I believe that freedom of speech is more important
than my own personal beliefs.
So, anyway, spread the word, this group is open to all alpaca breeders
or enthusiasts. And I do want to add more moderators, because sometimes
I would like a break! :)
Best wishes,
Heather
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwind
<mailto:alpacatalk%
> Date: May 7, 2008 6:38:09 PM PDT
> To: alpacasite@yahoogro
> Subject: Current status of group
>
> Well, this may well get me banned for good or back to
> perma-moderation, meaning I can never post here again (if it even
> makes it to the group at all), but I have to speak up a little.
>
> Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
> Does anyone recall the recent meltdown of another alpaca breeder
> witnessed on a different "forum?" He has since been diagnosed with
> bi-polar personality disorder, and admitted himself that he will be on
> meds for tit for the rest of his life. I'll say maybe our august
> moderator of the past 4 years ought to consider an evaluation. His
> latest tantrums and unfathomable behavior demands he no longer have
> control of this group.
>
> It seems that there truly does need to be a more democratic nature of
> a discussion group such as this one. All views ought to be able to be
> expressed without fear of retribution or silencing. Sheesh, the way
> this group has been run for the past 4 years reminds me of Haiti under
> Baby Doc or Chile under Pinochet. I'm not the first to make that
> comparison.
>
> For one to demand respect from members, one has to also treat members
> with respect.
>
> I say, yes, let's put this to a vote. Those who want "4 more years,"
> make yourselves heard. Those who feel that we can dispense with the
> derision and flippant responses to no end, also make yourselves heard.
>
> And if the current regime doesn't yield to the wants of the
> membership, there are alternatives.
>
> Best regards,
> Heather Zeleny
>
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