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Wednesday, May 07, 2008

[AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Current status of group

I recently posted this to Alpacasite, but surprise, surprise, it has
not as yet, been posted to the group. I seriously doubt if the
egomaniac in charge will ever really let go of the reins, but there is
an alternative! Right here! I'll go on record that I have never removed
a true alpaca breeder member. I have removed spammers, and I did
moderate one member's posting privileges. And, even though this group
is small by comparison the other group, I have entertained adding more
moderators. One person cannot man the site 24 hours a day, one
moderator cannot possibly answer all of the needs of a group as large
as the one currently in so much turmoil.

Frankly, much of that turmoil was caused by the owner/moderator
himself. Who needs that? Is that really appropriate for adult
business-people? I can tell you, I'll take my business else-where. So
this is admittedly AlpacaTalk serving, but tell your friends to join
this group and post here. I won't ban or perma-moderate you if you
disagree with me or even if you have something negative to say about
me! Ask the people who have done so! All I ask is that you don't post
business ads here. Yes, some that I've let slide do perform a high-wire
act of straddling the line... shearers and transporters specifically..
but since we are all in need of shearers I figure the more opportunity
the better...

Just do not post your alpacas for sale, or LGDs for sale, or herdsires
for hire. That is definitely where I draw the line.

And, being that I am very open minded and this group is open to
discussion by its members, please feel free to weigh in on your
opinions.

I have not added more moderators to this point, because I felt I could
handle the stuff that happens here... so far. But I have felt for at
least 2 or 3 years that I should think about adding another moderator
or few, just t make sure we don't have a situation like what happened
at that other Yahoo alpaca group. I say it her and I said it there
(although I don't think it made it to the group - due to my
"perma-moderation" there) "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And
don't think I haven't thought about that every time I wanted to delete
a post from this member or that, which was critical of me. and I stayed
my hand, because I believe that freedom of speech is more important
than my own personal beliefs.

So, anyway, spread the word, this group is open to all alpaca breeders
or enthusiasts. And I do want to add more moderators, because sometimes
I would like a break! :)

Best wishes,
Heather

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>
> Date: May 7, 2008 6:38:09 PM PDT
> To: alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Current status of group
>
> Well, this may well get me banned for good or back to
> perma-moderation, meaning I can never post here again (if it even
> makes it to the group at all), but I have to speak up a little.
>
> Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
> Does anyone recall the recent meltdown of another alpaca breeder
> witnessed on a different "forum?" He has since been diagnosed with
> bi-polar personality disorder, and admitted himself that he will be on
> meds for tit for the rest of his life. I'll say maybe our august
> moderator of the past 4 years ought to consider an evaluation. His
> latest tantrums and unfathomable behavior demands he no longer have
> control of this group.
>
> It seems that there truly does need to be a more democratic nature of
> a discussion group such as this one. All views ought to be able to be
> expressed without fear of retribution or silencing. Sheesh, the way
> this group has been run for the past 4 years reminds me of Haiti under
> Baby Doc or Chile under Pinochet. I'm not the first to make that
> comparison.
>
> For one to demand respect from members, one has to also treat members
> with respect.
>
> I say, yes, let's put this to a vote. Those who want "4 more years,"
> make yourselves heard. Those who feel that we can dispense with the
> derision and flippant responses to no end, also make yourselves heard.
>
> And if the current regime doesn't yield to the wants of the
> membership, there are alternatives.
>
> Best regards,
> Heather Zeleny
>

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