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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: guard llama

 

Yes, we have a FEMALE guard llama in with our alpaca girls and crias.  I do feel sorry for her though and may end up breeding her - it just doesn't seem fair that after years of guarding alpaca crias she can't have one of her own.  : )
 
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posted by Chaddo at 9:17 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: guard llama

 

Thank you very much for your advice. 


I don't know how many times it is said that llamas are guardians but not guard dogs. And sometimes even guard dogs aren't enough.

I also don't know how to impress upon people that guard geldings, either llama or alpaca, should never ever be kept with open females of any species. Yesterday we drove by our "favorite" sheep farm and saw his guard llama breeding a ewe. I don't know for sure, but I don't think a sheep's anatomy is quite compatible with a camelid. I hope that ewe hasn't sustained irreparable damage to her reproductive organs.

Heather



On Aug 4, 2009, at 4:23 PM, blackpearlfarm wrote:

Wishing everyone the best in this industry that I love.

None the less want to send a reminder:
Llamas are wonderful Alert Guards but they are Not a Guarding
-Fighting/Protector. A Llama is a wonder to watch as they play 
with crias and keep track of their charges and they Will push 
those charges to whatever safety is available before turning to
face the "enemy" . 

However, I beg, don't think of Llamas as disposable barriers between
your animals and the roving "gangs" of neighborhood dogs. As we 
have seen NOTHING survives when there are enough dogs or when 
the predators work in teams.

Please, remember that it is Your Job to Respond to their Alert Calls.
even if you are not "sure" you heard it. No excuses you have to 
show up!
You are the critical final layer of protection between your animals
and your neighbors' sweet 'fluffy, rufus, and butch....' who are
evil H&!! spawn when they get to run loss, UNattended.

I've lost whole week's worth of sleep over the years, to strange
sounds and cria watch and I have 6' No-climb exterior fences 
with another 18"+/- buried; with all of this, I still have had loses.
Now I am planning how to expand the paddocks around the barns 
and inner shelters just to have them closer to the house (to hear 
better at night, during cria season, and to make winter hypothermia
watch easier).

I recommend you follow my habit when responding to an Alert, I 
carrying 2 guns.
1 is a paintball gun sends them home with a mark that is also
a warning. 
The other gun has as its companion, a nice shiny shovel. 

I'm not evil or a dog hater or an angry hermit I just don't want to
be the next person to have to post that I'm out of the camelid 
industry because dogs or hunters or other evil doers have 
demolished my herd. It is my personal nightmare.

My best to all and in particular to those who have managed to 
come back from such devastating losses. May no one have to
post such enormously sad tidings again.

Blackpearlfarm 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] sick cria necropsy

 

Oh, man. I'm so sorry about your boy. And your instincts were right. 


The poor grieving mama is always a hard one to deal with. They always look at you, expecting you to bring back their baby. It's a bit heartbreaking. 


Best wishes,
Heather

On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Richard & Robin Vasquez wrote:


After the necropsy and seeing the wood and big plug between his stomach c1 & 2.  It appears that the hay and some fiber wrapped around the wood and made a really hard ball about the size of a marble. There was nothing short of a major surgery that would have saved him if that.  It is so nice knowing what happened.   Even if it passed thru the stomach area it would not have passed thru the spiral colon.  He was in big trouble and there was nothing we could of done.  Lord know why he ate wood or how he even swallowed that piece of it but he did.    I have no regrets on our end we did what we could and loved him as much as we could and cared for him and made him as comfortable as we could.   Now we are dealing with a very sad mom who just lost her first cria and she is breaking my heart.  
Robin 

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325B Denio Avenue 
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
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posted by Chaddo at 6:05 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: guard llama

 

Wishing everyone the best in this industry that I love.

None the less want to send a reminder:
Llamas are wonderful Alert Guards but they are Not a Guarding
-Fighting/Protector. A Llama is a wonder to watch as they play
with crias and keep track of their charges and they Will push
those charges to whatever safety is available before turning to
face the "enemy" .

However, I beg, don't think of Llamas as disposable barriers between
your animals and the roving "gangs" of neighborhood dogs. As we
have seen NOTHING survives when there are enough dogs or when
the predators work in teams.

Please, remember that it is Your Job to Respond to their Alert Calls.
even if you are not "sure" you heard it. No excuses you have to
show up!
You are the critical final layer of protection between your animals
and your neighbors' sweet 'fluffy, rufus, and butch....' who are
evil H&!! spawn when they get to run loss, UNattended.

I've lost whole week's worth of sleep over the years, to strange
sounds and cria watch and I have 6' No-climb exterior fences
with another 18"+/- buried; with all of this, I still have had loses.
Now I am planning how to expand the paddocks around the barns
and inner shelters just to have them closer to the house (to hear
better at night, during cria season, and to make winter hypothermia
watch easier).

I recommend you follow my habit when responding to an Alert, I
carrying 2 guns.
1 is a paintball gun sends them home with a mark that is also
a warning.
The other gun has as its companion, a nice shiny shovel.

I'm not evil or a dog hater or an angry hermit I just don't want to
be the next person to have to post that I'm out of the camelid
industry because dogs or hunters or other evil doers have
demolished my herd. It is my personal nightmare.

My best to all and in particular to those who have managed to
come back from such devastating losses. May no one have to
post such enormously sad tidings again.

Blackpearlfarm

>

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posted by Chaddo at 4:23 PM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 

Janice - it helps with worms also.  We find that it REALLY helps with fly control - are you putting it on your poo-piles also?  We scrape the poo-pile clean, then sprinkle a layer of d.e., then a layer of dirt on top of that.  Maybe you need to increase your feeding of it, or the flies may be breeding in other wet areas you don't even know about yet.  I can't believe something is actually CHEAPER out here in CA!  Well, don't feel too bad, we are still paying $19 - $27 a bale for orchard grass hay.
 
SUSAN

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 

When I say barn lime, I do not mean Hydrated lime.  It will be marked on the bag.  Hydrated lime is caustic so stay away from that. Agricultural lime,  "barn lime" or dolomite-  This lime is gray/white  and can be used to spread on the floor of your barn.  This is safe for you and your livestock.  If you sprinkle it over your moist areas, there should be no dust.  I guess we never had a problem.  We have  100+ alpacas here on the farm, nothing caustic from lime.  Yes, they do sniff the areas afterwords.  DE has more dust to it than lime.   They also roll in it if you put it down too heavy which is why we cover it where they poop/pee in the barn.  There are other products out there, but like I said, it works for us.
 
Peggy 
 

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: wendy.edwards@shaw.ca
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:46:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 
hi Peggy - my alpacas always go and sniff the place i've cleaned and put down DE - i worry about them sniffing lime (this is likely a dumb question) but what kind of lime do you use?
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 

Yes, it is area dependent on price and availability, so prices vary.   Food grade is the important part. Garden centers "should" have food grade but it will be more costly than a feed mill.  Make sure you specify Food Grade.  
 
The DE is a drying agent and it does help keep flies from breeding in that area.   Moist smelly areas are a breeding ground for flies.  The oder helper is the lime and it helps keep baterias down.  DE will kill hatching flies. 
 
Feeding to animals is said to help long term.  As the DE builds up in the soil, it is helpful in reducing fly hatches.  As alpacas poop, generally, in on area, this helps the poop pile.  I like to sprinkle both the de and lime over the area to insure a reduced fly hatch.  However, flies hatch all over, so everyone will get flies.  They are attracted to animals and manure piles.  This is just one small tool to help.  I don't think anything is 100% .
 
Peggy
Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: houckj@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:00:39 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 
<<<As everyone has stated, you can get DE from your feed mill or Tractor
Supply store, usually. Cost is depends on there availability. You will
see different prices from different areas. If the feed mill does a lot
of mixing, they may use it in some of their customers feed recipes.
Also, gardeners use DE in there gardens. Call around, they should have
it locally. They carry it here at Fleet Farm now which is real
convenient for pickup. >>>

My Tractor Supply did not have nor order it for me. None of my feed
stores had it - didn't even know what it was. If you are going to
gardeners or building supply make double darn sure it is food grade and
NOT for use in pools.
Susan's price set me up for a bad case of sticker shock To get it
around here (GA) I had to pay about $1.# as I recall. I got my feed
store to order it for me and that was less than ordering online and
paying shipping; but still it was close to $50 f

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posted by Chaddo at 10:34 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E. [1 Attachment]

 
[Attachment(s) from Lysa Grant included below]

SO is barn lime the limestone or hydrolized lime?

Thanks for all this feedback!

Lysa Grant
Pocopacas
Pocono Mnts, PA

On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Daniel Emmerich wrote:

> We use regular barn lime. We have had no problems with it. We use
> it in the barn where the alpacas go also. We do put shavings over
> the lime areas where the alpacas are in the barn as we tend to lime
> heavier in the barn to help neutralize the smell and help sanitize.
> We have used it for 10 years. Like I said, sprinkle, don't shovel.
> Everything in moderation. It helps neutralize the soil in that area
> too. Do a search on barn lime to find out more. We use in in the
> garden to help the ph of the soil, barn lime not commercial lime. I
> was raised on a dairy farm and barn lime was always used to control
> order, absorb moisture and help sanitize. It is available at feed
> mill.
>
> Here is a link: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080603122503AA1cAo6
>
> I hope this helps. Peggy
>
> Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
> EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
> 9357 CTY RD O
> Wausau WI 54401
> 715.675.0584
> www.enchantedmeadows.com
>
>
>
>
>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> From: wendy.edwards@shaw.ca
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:46:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.
>
>
> hi Peggy - my alpacas always go and sniff the place i've cleaned and
> put down DE - i worry about them sniffing lime (this is likely a
> dumb question) but what kind of lime do you use?
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Emmerich
> To: alpacatalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:36 AM
> Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.
>
>
> Yes, it is area dependent on price and availability, so prices
> vary. Food grade is the important part. Garden centers "should"
> have food grade but it will be more costly than a feed mill. Make
> sure you specify Food Grade.
>
> The DE is a drying agent and it does help keep flies from breeding
> in that area. Moist smelly areas are a breeding ground for flies.
> The oder helper is the lime and it helps keep baterias down. DE
> will kill hatching flies.
>
> Feeding to animals is said to help long term. As the DE builds up
> in the soil, it is helpful in reducing fly hatches. As alpacas
> poop, generally, in on area, this helps the poop pile. I like to
> sprinkle both the de and lime over the area to insure a reduced fly
> hatch. However, flies hatch all over, so everyone will get flies.
> They are attracted to animals and manure piles. This is just one
> small tool to help. I don't think anything is 100% .
>
> Peggy
> Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
> EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
> 9357 CTY RD O
> Wausau WI 54401
> 715.675.0584
> www.enchantedmeadows.com
>
>
>
>
>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> From: houckj@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:00:39 -0400
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.
>
>
> <<<As everyone has stated, you can get DE from your feed mill or
> Tractor
> Supply store, usually. Cost is depends on there availability. You will
> see different prices from different areas. If the feed mill does a lot
> of mixing, they may use it in some of their customers feed recipes.
> Also, gardeners use DE in there gardens. Call around, they should have
> it locally. They carry it here at Fleet Farm now which is real
> convenient for pickup. >>>
>
> My Tractor Supply did not have nor order it for me. None of my feed
> stores had it - didn't even know what it was. If you are going to
> gardeners or building supply make double darn sure it is food grade
> and
> NOT for use in pools.
> Susan's price set me up for a bad case of sticker shock To get it
> around here (GA) I had to pay about $1.# as I recall. I got my feed
> store to order it for me and that was less than ordering online and
> paying shipping; but still it was close to $50 f
>
> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. Try BingT now.
>
>
>
>
> Get free photo software from Windows Live Click here.
>
>

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posted by Chaddo at 10:20 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 

We use regular barn lime.  We have had no problems with it.  We use it in the barn where the alpacas go also.  We do put shavings  over the lime areas where the alpacas are in the barn as we tend to lime heavier in the barn to help neutralize the smell and help sanitize.  We have used it for 10 years.  Like I said, sprinkle, don't shovel.  Everything in moderation.  It helps neutralize the soil in that area too.   Do a search on barn lime to find out more.  We use in in the garden to help the ph of the soil, barn lime not commercial lime.  I was raised on a dairy farm and barn lime was always used to control order, absorb moisture and help sanitize.    It is available at feed mill. 
 
Here is a link: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080603122503AA1cAo6
 
I hope this helps.  Peggy

Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: wendy.edwards@shaw.ca
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:46:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 
hi Peggy - my alpacas always go and sniff the place i've cleaned and put down DE - i worry about them sniffing lime (this is likely a dumb question) but what kind of lime do you use?
Wendy
DreamWeaver Alpacas
BC
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 

Yes, it is area dependent on price and availability, so prices vary.   Food grade is the important part. Garden centers "should" have food grade but it will be more costly than a feed mill.  Make sure you specify Food Grade.  
 
The DE is a drying agent and it does help keep flies from breeding in that area.   Moist smelly areas are a breeding ground for flies.  The oder helper is the lime and it helps keep baterias down.  DE will kill hatching flies. 
 
Feeding to animals is said to help long term.  As the DE builds up in the soil, it is helpful in reducing fly hatches.  As alpacas poop, generally, in on area, this helps the poop pile.  I like to sprinkle both the de and lime over the area to insure a reduced fly hatch.  However, flies hatch all over, so everyone will get flies.  They are attracted to animals and manure piles.  This is just one small tool to help.  I don't think anything is 100% .
 
Peggy
Daniel and Peggy Emmerich
EnchantedMeadows Alpacas & Goats
9357 CTY RD O
Wausau WI 54401
715.675.0584
www.enchantedmeadows.com



 

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: houckj@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:00:39 -0400
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] D.E.

 
<<<As everyone has stated, you can get DE from your feed mill or Tractor
Supply store, usually. Cost is depends on there availability. You will
see different prices from different areas. If the feed mill does a lot
of mixing, they may use it in some of their customers feed recipes.
Also, gardeners use DE in there gardens. Call around, they should have
it locally. They carry it here at Fleet Farm now which is real
convenient for pickup. >>>

My Tractor Supply did not have nor order it for me. None of my feed
stores had it - didn't even know what it was. If you are going to
gardeners or building supply make double darn sure it is food grade and
NOT for use in pools.
Susan's price set me up for a bad case of sticker shock To get it
around here (GA) I had to pay about $1.# as I recall. I got my feed
store to order it for me and that was less than ordering online and
paying shipping; but still it was close to $50 f

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