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Re: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

We feed about a tablespoon of stabilized rice bran to each pregnant or
lactating dam, and to my old and under-conditioned almost 14 yr old
dam, I request 2 T to added to her bowl. She's still rather thin, but I
think it's because she's old, and maybe we ought to add 1/4 cup rice
bran to her top-dress to fatten her up some more.

I forgot to add that we also top dress with 1 T flax seed, whole flax
seed, by the way. We've never had a problem with it. It does not get
stuck in their gum or cause abcesses. And we store it so that the can
be no accidents... We've had very good results with adding flax seed to
our alpacas' diets. I would never go without.

And we follow the label directions for our pelleted feed, with the old
stuff it called for feeding 1 lb per day, that's 2 cups to get the
daily ration of vitamins and minerals and "stuff". With our custom
feed, it's formulated to feed pregnant and lactating dams 1/2 lb per
day, males 1/4 lb per day. Since it weighs out to 1/2 lb being more
than 1 cup, we make it 1 very heaping cup. :) And the boys get a very
heaping 1/2 cup plus what gets left on my hand while scooping with the
measuring cup. In fact, I think maybe my old girl could use more
pellets in addition to the extra rice bran she gets.

We do tailor each individual's diet as much as possible without making
feeding time for 50+ animals a nightmare. And we keep track of which
animal gets which formula by bowl color. Oh, yes, we bowl feed. And we
segregate into stalls with similar food-dominant personalities, so each
animal is more likely to get their correct ration no matter what. We
also try to make feeding as time efficient as possible. :)

As for hay, we feed 2nd cutting Orchard Grass hay, free choice. We have
hay boxes that hold entire bales, so when one is empty or when we can
fill up an adjacent feed box with the contents of another, we do, and
bring in a new bale to the newly emptied box. Our hay comes from
Eastern Oregon, and in the Pacific Northwest, we are extremely Selenium
deficient, so our pelleted feed is high in Selenium. And it is labeled
for feeding only to alpacas. Selenium is very important in the
prevention of white muscle disease, black leg, and it is important for
good fleeces and skin. Basically all connective tissue growth. So we
like to make sure we have the correct amount in our feed, and not the
bare minimum.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
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On Oct 25, 2008, at 7:30 PM, LunarStruck@aol.com wrote:

> Heather - this is the first time I've heard of anyone feeding rice
> bran to
> alpacas - I feed it to my older horses to keep weight on them and its
> great for
> their coats! Does it have the same effect on alpaca fleece? How much
> do
> you feed and do you feed the rice bran pellets? Thanks,
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

Heather - this is the first time I've heard of anyone feeding rice bran to
alpacas - I feed it to my older horses to keep weight on them and its great for
their coats! Does it have the same effect on alpaca fleece? How much do
you feed and do you feed the rice bran pellets? Thanks,

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 10/25/2008 9:32:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com writes:

There a lot of people who spend a whole lot of money on alpaca feed and
supplements. And there are people who feed only hay and a free choice
mineral such as Stillwater 104 or Cache la Poudre. If you do feed a
mineral/salt supplement, make sure to buy one that is specifically
formulated for alpacas.

My mom had a custom feed made after our regular pellet declined in
quality so much that we had herd-wide increases in micron of between 4
and 11 microns compared to the previous year. Our feed is based on
alfalfa pellets, it contains the "RDA" of all minerals and vitamins,
and essential amino acids as outlined in Norm Evans' book. It's
formulated for our area and the hay we feed. There is no corn, no
miller's dried grains product, no soybean hulls, in short, there are no
products that you don't really know what they are in our feed.

We do top-dress the pregnant and lactating females' rations with
stabilized rice bran to provide extra fat in their diet for milk
production and to keep them in condition since milk production really
does tax their fat reserves.

That's all we do. And we have very healthy animals, and excellent
fleeces to show for it.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

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On Oct 25, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Kathy H wrote:

>
>
> I am hoping someone could give me a list of nutritional needs and
> supplement (feed and vitamins) Alpaca's should have and how much. Or a
> web site that has a descriptive list of these. Thank you, Kathy

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

Kathy,

We free-feed our female and baby alpacas good-quality orchard grass hay,
but you can also feed them timothy hay. We give the girls pellets (there
are many different brands out there) at the rate of 1/2 cup of alpaca pellets
per alpaca, per day. They boys and guard llama just get fed hay twice a day
and no daily pellets or they get too fat. Whenever people come over to visit
them (rarely), we give the alpacas a treat by giving each person a bucket
with a few cups of pellets and let them feed them by hand so they can get up
close. We also treat them with baby carrots, they love those.

SUSAN OLSON
Alpaca Loco
Riverside, CA


In a message dated 10/25/2008 8:21:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
only1_of_me_718@yahoo.com writes:

I am hoping someone could give me a list of nutritional needs and supplement
(feed and vitamins) Alpaca's should have and how much. Or a web site that
has a descriptive list of these. Thank you, Kathy

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

Hi Kathy,

The nutritional needs depend on what is in the forage and browse available
in your area. You should look for the general requirements in Dr. Norm
Evan's Field Manual.but it will differ depending on what is locally
available in the mineral department.

You need to know, for instance, how much selenium is in your local
area.what is in the water mineral wise and how much protein you are getting
in your pasture or hay. Having your hay tested is a good way to go. Check
with your Ag Agent, if you have one, for further info on your own area. A
local Ag University or Vet school is a big help.

Mostly, alpacas----if not pregnant, need between 12 and 14% protein in their
hay; they need a mineral supplement made up for their and--- they need some
pellets if it is cold, if they are pregnant, nursing, or breeding..just to
'supplement' their pasture/hay ration. Pellets should be only a very small
part of their diet. The diet should be mostly 2d cut timothy/orchard grass
or fresh pasture if you can find it. No Clover.makes them foam. Some kinds
of rye are also not so hot.gives staggers.

You don't say where you are located..but the local chapter of AOBA for your
area may have meetings you can get to..and at those meetings there should
be other alpaca breeders/shepherds from your area who can help you get this
basic info. If you have purchased alpacas, the farm which sold them to you
should also have that information and should "mentor" you until you have a
comfort level with their routine care.

If you sign with a signature block that gives us information on how to
contact you and where you are located; we can help you better. Meanwhile,
if no one close bye is available, please feel free to call us and we'll try
to help you with whatever info we can find for your area.

Allison Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

Santa Clara, CA

http://www.newmoonalpacas.com

408/248-3581

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kathy H
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:21 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

I am hoping someone could give me a list of nutritional needs and supplement
(feed and vitamins) Alpaca's should have and how much. Or a web site that
has a descriptive list of these. Thank you, Kathy

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

There a lot of people who spend a whole lot of money on alpaca feed and
supplements. And there are people who feed only hay and a free choice
mineral such as Stillwater 104 or Cache la Poudre. If you do feed a
mineral/salt supplement, make sure to buy one that is specifically
formulated for alpacas.

My mom had a custom feed made after our regular pellet declined in
quality so much that we had herd-wide increases in micron of between 4
and 11 microns compared to the previous year. Our feed is based on
alfalfa pellets, it contains the "RDA" of all minerals and vitamins,
and essential amino acids as outlined in Norm Evans' book. It's
formulated for our area and the hay we feed. There is no corn, no
miller's dried grains product, no soybean hulls, in short, there are no
products that you don't really know what they are in our feed.

We do top-dress the pregnant and lactating females' rations with
stabilized rice bran to provide extra fat in their diet for milk
production and to keep them in condition since milk production really
does tax their fat reserves.

That's all we do. And we have very healthy animals, and excellent
fleeces to show for it.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR

541.895.0964

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com
http://www.whitelotusalpacas.com/FarmBlog/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join

On Oct 25, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Kathy H wrote:

>
>
> I am hoping someone could give me a list of nutritional needs and
> supplement (feed and vitamins) Alpaca's should have and how much. Or a
> web site that has a descriptive list of these. Thank you, Kathy

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] nutritional needs

Check out Dr. Norm Evans' Field Guide. There is extensive information
by geographic area. It's just full of good information. I had a
custom mill make pellets for me and this book, among other resources,
helped them put the recipe together.

Best of luck,

Sheri Hewitt
Woodland Meadows, LLC
Creswell, OR 97426

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I am hoping someone could give me a list of nutritional needs and supplement (feed and vitamins) Alpaca's should have and how much. Or a web site that has a descriptive list of these. Thank you, Kathy

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