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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

 

 

Hi Chrys,

 

Inject straight Thiamine, the strongest dose you can get---overdose and they just pee it out, so no harm.  It is a major support to rumination---and it also gives an appetite.  Get some fib-revive or just chop up some alfalfa to go with his regular ration.  -- Also do a fecal and see if there has been a stress related parasite bloom.

 

You have to move fast---vet will have straight thiamine (B12)  Not the complex…just straight.  Evans manual has the dose range---and you can use a high dose---and give it every few hours  Also---how are temperature, respiration and gut sounds?

 

Put some probios on his pellets---but do NOT give a pound of grain.  Would acidify the rumen and might just kill him if suddenly done.   If you are just starting pellets---only give like a ¼ cup daily for the first few days.  I don’t know if this boy is planning an ulcer, but if your vet has sucralfate, that will help him to avoid a stomach ulcer.  Your boy is stressed….and stress can bring on rumen crash or PEM (Polioencephlaomacia) …so you MUST ACT QUICKLY!!!

 

No abrupt changes in food!!!!

Sounds like your vet is more of a horse vet! 

 

Feel free to call me---I am not a vet, just a paca owner---but have been through this sort of thing.  If nothing brewing in the way of a fever---he might need a little Banamine for pain---100 lbs is 1 cc so if this guy is 150 lbs, then 1.5 cc.

Vet should have that too.  Put this same request for help over on UAFF  (join it!!!, it is a wonderful site)  (unitedalpacas@yahoogroups.com) and one of the vets or other well educated in camelid folks will doubtless help you.

 

Best of luck---you don’t say if he’s cold, but if he’s not moving---put a coat on him, too ---helps conserve strength.

 

Allison

 

Allison E. Moss-Fritch

New Moon Alpacas

350 Cloquallum Road

Elma, WA  98541-9440

360/861-8584 home; cell 360/470-9317

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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

 

One of my males got pretty beat up in a fight with my other male. Called the vet out he stated the boy was under weight and he had to have weight put on him. They told me he needed higher protein.

Two days later, this boy will not get up. Called the vet out and he stated that he was probably not going to make it. He stated we had to get him up and moving. I put him in a chute and he will not even try to stand. We kept him strapped up in the chute for an hour and tried to get him to stand. He stood on his own for about 3 minutes.

This morning - He is not showing any signs of eating or even picking his head up. I am about to go put him in the chute again.

The vet said I needed to get him better hay and feed him a pound of grain. He said I needed to get his protein level up.

What are you guys feeding? I have only been in the business 3 years and this is the first year I have had any of these problems. This boy was just seen by the vet for show in April of 2011 and it was never mentioned that he was under weight.

Is anyone else having issues? Can anyone recommend anything? Sorry this is so long, but this boy was the first cria born on my farm and I do not want to lose him. Not that I want to lose any of them.

Chrys
Ruggles, OH
chrystella.volk@yahoo.com

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

I agree that you should take him to OSU as quickly as possible.


And, I'd shop around for a new local vet. 


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece






On Jan 21, 2012, at 4:07 AM, chrystella.volk wrote:

 

One of my males got pretty beat up in a fight with my other male. Called the vet out he stated the boy was under weight and he had to have weight put on him. They told me he needed higher protein.

Two days later, this boy will not get up. Called the vet out and he stated that he was probably not going to make it. He stated we had to get him up and moving. I put him in a chute and he will not even try to stand. We kept him strapped up in the chute for an hour and tried to get him to stand. He stood on his own for about 3 minutes.

This morning - He is not showing any signs of eating or even picking his head up. I am about to go put him in the chute again.

The vet said I needed to get him better hay and feed him a pound of grain. He said I needed to get his protein level up.

What are you guys feeding? I have only been in the business 3 years and this is the first year I have had any of these problems. This boy was just seen by the vet for show in April of 2011 and it was never mentioned that he was under weight.

Is anyone else having issues? Can anyone recommend anything? Sorry this is so long, but this boy was the first cria born on my farm and I do not want to lose him. Not that I want to lose any of them.

Chrys
Ruggles, OH
chrystella.volk@yahoo.com


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posted by Chaddo at 8:39 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

            I lost a yearling in November……….she went down on a Friday morning and was dead at 10:15 Friday night.  I’m not telling you this to paint a horrible picture, but to forewarn you that once these guys go down and aren’t eating………survival is slim.

 

            Our girl was anemic and the fecal showed Barber Pole Worms…….a very nasty worm. 

 

            We did fecals on all the rest and nobody else showed it……….so not sure how or why this little girl had it. 

 

            The vet said the BP parasite caused the anemia and she was too weak.  We had also had some very cold nights and being a Suri, she was chilled. 

 

            Good luck with your boy.  I also have a 15 year old female with MH and she gets thin……….we treat her with Biomycin and rev up her rations, along with Calf Manna, she loves it.  Her weight will rise up for awhile………but stressors cause her to drop, again.  There is no cure, just treatment.

 

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chrystella.volk
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:08 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

 

One of my males got pretty beat up in a fight with my other male. Called the vet out he stated the boy was under weight and he had to have weight put on him. They told me he needed higher protein.

Two days later, this boy will not get up. Called the vet out and he stated that he was probably not going to make it. He stated we had to get him up and moving. I put him in a chute and he will not even try to stand. We kept him strapped up in the chute for an hour and tried to get him to stand. He stood on his own for about 3 minutes.

This morning - He is not showing any signs of eating or even picking his head up. I am about to go put him in the chute again.

The vet said I needed to get him better hay and feed him a pound of grain. He said I needed to get his protein level up.

What are you guys feeding? I have only been in the business 3 years and this is the first year I have had any of these problems. This boy was just seen by the vet for show in April of 2011 and it was never mentioned that he was under weight.

Is anyone else having issues? Can anyone recommend anything? Sorry this is so long, but this boy was the first cria born on my farm and I do not want to lose him. Not that I want to lose any of them.

Chrys
Ruggles, OH
chrystella.volk@yahoo.com

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posted by Chaddo at 7:29 AM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 

They did not do any blood work.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm <judithkorff@...> wrote:
>
> Did he check for anemia?  You may be dealing with MH (a blood parasite) or a chemical imbalance, or internal parasites that just didn't show up on the fecal (not all parasites shed eggs all the time - especially e. mac and haemonchus).
>  
> Judith Korff
> LadySong Farm Bolivian Suri Alpacas
> Steamburg, NY 14783
> Cell: (716) 499-0383
> www.alpacanation.com/ladysong.asp
> Suri: Silk Without the Worm 
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: chrystella.volk <chrystella.volk@...>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:22 AM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick
>
>
>  
> He did fecals. All clean. I have one girls that is thin, but she has always been thin and always on extra rations. She was thin at the farm I bought her from.
>
> No the vet ran no blood work. Just said we needed to get him more proteins and then suggested getting taking him to OSU.
>
> --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, hrpufnstuf13@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi chrys,
> >
> > I'm still not clear as to what the vet actually did...
> >
> > Did you check for parasites? Is he anemic? Did the vet run a blood panel? What do your other animals look like?
> >
> > If, in fact your hay is poor, it will have an overall effect on all your animals and you may loose more. I urge you to find a higher quality hay and at this point, I'd try to find some with alfalfa. Forage is good as well as calf manna to add some weight. Unfortunately, if he's not eating, it may be tough to get him eating again; if he goes too long without food and water, things will begin to shut down. You may need to give him some vit B injections as well as make a slurry and tube him.
> >
> > I'd get your vet back on board.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > Dede Crout
> > Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> > Marydel, MD.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@>
> > Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:07:32
> > To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick
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posted by Chaddo at 6:46 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

Hi Chrys,
I suspect that your male is extremely anemic and needs a transfusion. Getting beaten up is a symptom, not the cause of what is going on.
I have found through the years that the type of fecal done by vets varies tremendously dependent upon when they went to vet school. I am pretty sure your male has one of the following, this is assuming that he has been receiving memingeal worm prevention with either ivermectin, doramectin, or fenbendazole:
Haemonchus contortus (barber pole worm)
Eimeria macusaniensis
Mycoplasma haemolama
or perhaps a pneumonia.
Another possibility is thiamine deficiency or polio encephalomalacia.
Ohio has been incredibly wet and mild this year and that is the perfect scenario for intestinal parasites. If you can load him and go to OSU, that would be best. If not, put a coat on your friend. I notice that you aren't too far from Findlay. Might I recommend that you contact Dr. Pam Walker at Alpaca Jacks. She used to teach part time at OSU until budget cuts took her off the faculty. The only number I have is (419) 423-3890

It is not looking good for this fellow, you need to do something very quickly. A transfusion may be his only hope if he is so anemic that he can't get up.

The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Road
Springfield, Ohio 45503
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> One of my males got pretty beat up in a fight with my other male. Called
> the vet out he stated the boy was under weight and he had to have weight
> put on him. They told me he needed higher protein.
>
> Two days later, this boy will not get up. Called the vet out and he
> stated that he was probably not going to make it. He stated we had to get
> him up and moving. I put him in a chute and he will not even try to
> stand. We kept him strapped up in the chute for an hour and tried to get
> him to stand. He stood on his own for about 3 minutes.
>
> This morning - He is not showing any signs of eating or even picking his
> head up. I am about to go put him in the chute again.
>
> The vet said I needed to get him better hay and feed him a pound of grain.
> He said I needed to get his protein level up.
>
> What are you guys feeding? I have only been in the business 3 years and
> this is the first year I have had any of these problems. This boy was
> just seen by the vet for show in April of 2011 and it was never mentioned
> that he was under weight.
>
> Is anyone else having issues? Can anyone recommend anything? Sorry this
> is so long, but this boy was the first cria born on my farm and I do not
> want to lose him. Not that I want to lose any of them.
>
> Chrys
> Ruggles, OH
> chrystella.volk@yahoo.com
>
>

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 

If the vet suggested taking him to OSU, I would do that if circumstances permit.
 
Cindy Aldrich
Shepherd's Purse Alpacas
Mount Airy, Maryland
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:22 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 

He did fecals. All clean. I have one girls that is thin, but she has always been thin and always on extra rations. She was thin at the farm I bought her from.

No the vet ran no blood work. Just said we needed to get him more proteins and then suggested getting taking him to OSU.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, hrpufnstuf13@... wrote:
>
> Hi chrys,
>
> I'm still not clear as to what the vet actually did...
>
> Did you check for parasites? Is he anemic? Did the vet run a blood panel? What do your other animals look like?
>
> If, in fact your hay is poor, it will have an overall effect on all your animals and you may loose more. I urge you to find a higher quality hay and at this point, I'd try to find some with alfalfa. Forage is good as well as calf manna to add some weight. Unfortunately, if he's not eating, it may be tough to get him eating again; if he goes too long without food and water, things will begin to shut down. You may need to give him some vit B injections as well as make a slurry and tube him.
>
> I'd get your vet back on board.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, MD.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@...>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:07:32
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 

Did he check for anemia?  You may be dealing with MH (a blood parasite) or a chemical imbalance, or internal parasites that just didn't show up on the fecal (not all parasites shed eggs all the time - especially e. mac and haemonchus).
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm Bolivian Suri Alpacas
Steamburg, NY 14783
Cell: (716) 499-0383
Suri: Silk Without the Worm 

From: chrystella.volk <chrystella.volk@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:22 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 
He did fecals. All clean. I have one girls that is thin, but she has always been thin and always on extra rations. She was thin at the farm I bought her from.

No the vet ran no blood work. Just said we needed to get him more proteins and then suggested getting taking him to OSU.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, hrpufnstuf13@... wrote:
>
> Hi chrys,
>
> I'm still not clear as to what the vet actually did...
>
> Did you check for parasites? Is he anemic? Did the vet run a blood panel? What do your other animals look like?
>
> If, in fact your hay is poor, it will have an overall effect on all your animals and you may loose more. I urge you to find a higher quality hay and at this point, I'd try to find some with alfalfa. Forage is good as well as calf manna to add some weight. Unfortunately, if he's not eating, it may be tough to get him eating again; if he goes too long without food and water, things will begin to shut down. You may need to give him some vit B injections as well as make a slurry and tube him.
>
> I'd get your vet back on board.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, MD.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@...>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:07:32
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Alpaca extremely sick

 

He did fecals. All clean. I have one girls that is thin, but she has always been thin and always on extra rations. She was thin at the farm I bought her from.

No the vet ran no blood work. Just said we needed to get him more proteins and then suggested getting taking him to OSU.

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, hrpufnstuf13@... wrote:
>
> Hi chrys,
>
> I'm still not clear as to what the vet actually did...
>
> Did you check for parasites? Is he anemic? Did the vet run a blood panel? What do your other animals look like?
>
> If, in fact your hay is poor, it will have an overall effect on all your animals and you may loose more. I urge you to find a higher quality hay and at this point, I'd try to find some with alfalfa. Forage is good as well as calf manna to add some weight. Unfortunately, if he's not eating, it may be tough to get him eating again; if he goes too long without food and water, things will begin to shut down. You may need to give him some vit B injections as well as make a slurry and tube him.
>
> I'd get your vet back on board.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Dede Crout
> Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
> Marydel, MD.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "chrystella.volk" <chrystella.volk@...>
> Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:07:32
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posted by Chaddo at 5:22 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

Hi chrys,

I'm still not clear as to what the vet actually did...

Did you check for parasites? Is he anemic? Did the vet run a blood panel? What do your other animals look like?

If, in fact your hay is poor, it will have an overall effect on all your animals and you may loose more. I urge you to find a higher quality hay and at this point, I'd try to find some with alfalfa. Forage is good as well as calf manna to add some weight. Unfortunately, if he's not eating, it may be tough to get him eating again; if he goes too long without food and water, things will begin to shut down. You may need to give him some vit B injections as well as make a slurry and tube him.

I'd get your vet back on board.

Good Luck

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD.

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One of my males got pretty beat up in a fight with my other male. Called the vet out he stated the boy was under weight and he had to have weight put on him. They told me he needed higher protein.

Two days later, this boy will not get up. Called the vet out and he stated that he was probably not going to make it. He stated we had to get him up and moving. I put him in a chute and he will not even try to stand. We kept him strapped up in the chute for an hour and tried to get him to stand. He stood on his own for about 3 minutes.

This morning - He is not showing any signs of eating or even picking his head up. I am about to go put him in the chute again.

The vet said I needed to get him better hay and feed him a pound of grain. He said I needed to get his protein level up.

What are you guys feeding? I have only been in the business 3 years and this is the first year I have had any of these problems. This boy was just seen by the vet for show in April of 2011 and it was never mentioned that he was under weight.

Is anyone else having issues? Can anyone recommend anything? Sorry this is so long, but this boy was the first cria born on my farm and I do not want to lose him. Not that I want to lose any of them.

Chrys
Ruggles, OH
chrystella.volk@yahoo.com

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posted by Chaddo at 5:09 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Alpaca extremely sick

 

our suggestion is get him to a hospital
he needs nutrition and his gut is most likely all out of wack and needs ruminant
you most likely will not be able to get food into him soon enough
they may suggest x-rays to see if something else is going on since he was in a fight
but time is important at this point for his survival
much luck
Catherine & Don

All the Best from Catherine and Don
Alpacas of Sunshine Farm
A Ray of the Andes in the Endless Mountains
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