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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

 

Or, why doesn't Ian simply tell everyone what was said, instead of relying on one-on-one telephone calls, where it is very easy for operators like he and other board members to sway the thoughts and opinions of members.

I have been the recipient of AOBA BOD member and/or president one on one telephone calls. Let me tell you, it's not for the faint of heart.

Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:

Ian,

IT should be in his Disclosure statement which I presume the new NC will
certainly post quickly ...

Allison

Again permission to post wherever it should.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ian Watt
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:12 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

Why don't you ask Bill Pearce instead of making an assumption?

Ian Watt
Morro Bay CA
On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Vickie Parker wrote:

>
> The copy/paste below from the AOBA website posted meeting minutes 
> dated Jan. 4, 2010 APPEARS to insinuate that Bill Pearce has a 
> business relationship with Alpacas Magazine since he abstained from 
> voting on this contract proposal.
>
>
> III. Old Business
> Libby Forstner reviewed a proposal for the 2010 Alpaca's Magazine 
> contract.
> Libby Forstner made a motion that AOBA accept the proposed 
> reimbursement
> schedule, listed below, revised January 4, 2010 for one year 
> publication of
> Alpaca's Magazine from Sunrise Editorial Services, Dave Belt, 
> seconded by Ian
> Watt. Question called, roll call vote. 6 for, none against, 1 
> abstained, motion
> passed.
> For - Jess Bowers, David Barboza, Libby Forstner, Claudia Raessler, 
> Ian Watt,
> Bill Johnson
> Against - None
> Abstain - Bill Pearce
>
> So does Bill Pearce have a business relationship with Alpacas 
> Magazine?
> If so, what problems might this present and is this something he did 
> not want the membership to know?
>
>
> Vickie Parker
> Parker's Alpacas @ Caliche Crossing
> 4139 Highland Rd.
> Melissa, TX. 75454
> 214-803-0420
> www.parkersalpacas.ws
>
> --- jpowers@poststarproductions.com wrote:
>
> From: "krasnypowers" <jpowers@poststarproductions.com>
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff
> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:57:19 -0000
>
> Ian,
> under the bylaws these communications with candidates must be 
> through and by the Nominating Committee. Until a new committee is 
> seated the BOD must remain hands off the candidates to avoid any 
> possible collusion.
>
> This meddling in the election is strictly verboten. A BOD meeting 
> with the candidates is far far over the line of ok and as you say 
> "beyond the pale".
>
> How to proceed? I expect the BOD to proceed as guided by the by-laws 
> and get a new committee appointed posthaste.
>
> But at this point the call has taken place so this is all crying 
> over spilt milk.
>
> Here is hoping the BOD does the right thing.
>
> Blue Skies
> Jennifer Powers
> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
> www.aeroranch.com
>
> Browns Valley, CA
> --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Ian Watt <alpacaconsult@...> wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes things and comments go beyond the pale - and this is one of
>> them.
>>
>> It is true that the Board has a call with the candidates tonight. It
>> is also true that the Nominating Committee resigned and that the
>> election process is now somewhere no-one in AOBA has been before and
>> that the Board is intent on delivering a fair and true election for
>> the membership.
>>
>> It seems only fair that the candidates be brought up to speed as to
>> where everything stands at the moment and how things may unfold from
>> here on in.
>>
>> If there is no Nominating Committee Jennifer, who do you think should
>> inform Candidates of what is happening and what is to come?
>>
>> And where, in the ByLaws, does it say the Board cannot do this? Where
>> if the Board in violation of the ByLaws?
>>
>> And where is the collusion you refer to?
>>
>> The election truly does belong to the membership and the AOBA Board
>> has a responsibility to ensure that the membership's interests are,
>> indeed, protected.
>>
>> Ian Watt
>> Morro Bay CA
>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:16 PM, krasnypowers wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> it has come to my attention that there is a meeting this evening
>>> between several BOD members and candidates.
>>>
>>> This is collusion and in direct violation of AOBAs by-laws.
>>>
>>> The election belongs to the membership.
>>>
>>> Pay attention folks. When you vote, don't be swayed by name
>>> recognition.
>>>
>>> Blue Skies
>>> Jennifer Powers
>>> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
>>> www.aeroranch.com
>>>
>>> Browns Valley, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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posted by Chaddo at 7:37 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

 

Ian,

IT should be in his Disclosure statement which I presume the new NC will
certainly post quickly ...

Allison

Again permission to post wherever it should.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ian Watt
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:12 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

Why don't you ask Bill Pearce instead of making an assumption?

Ian Watt
Morro Bay CA
On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Vickie Parker wrote:

>
> The copy/paste below from the AOBA website posted meeting minutes
> dated Jan. 4, 2010 APPEARS to insinuate that Bill Pearce has a
> business relationship with Alpacas Magazine since he abstained from
> voting on this contract proposal.
>
>
> III. Old Business
> Libby Forstner reviewed a proposal for the 2010 Alpaca's Magazine
> contract.
> Libby Forstner made a motion that AOBA accept the proposed
> reimbursement
> schedule, listed below, revised January 4, 2010 for one year
> publication of
> Alpaca's Magazine from Sunrise Editorial Services, Dave Belt,
> seconded by Ian
> Watt. Question called, roll call vote. 6 for, none against, 1
> abstained, motion
> passed.
> For - Jess Bowers, David Barboza, Libby Forstner, Claudia Raessler,
> Ian Watt,
> Bill Johnson
> Against - None
> Abstain - Bill Pearce
>
> So does Bill Pearce have a business relationship with Alpacas
> Magazine?
> If so, what problems might this present and is this something he did
> not want the membership to know?
>
>
> Vickie Parker
> Parker's Alpacas @ Caliche Crossing
> 4139 Highland Rd.
> Melissa, TX. 75454
> 214-803-0420
> www.parkersalpacas.ws
>
> --- jpowers@poststarproductions.com wrote:
>
> From: "krasnypowers" <jpowers@poststarproductions.com>
> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff
> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:57:19 -0000
>
> Ian,
> under the bylaws these communications with candidates must be
> through and by the Nominating Committee. Until a new committee is
> seated the BOD must remain hands off the candidates to avoid any
> possible collusion.
>
> This meddling in the election is strictly verboten. A BOD meeting
> with the candidates is far far over the line of ok and as you say
> "beyond the pale".
>
> How to proceed? I expect the BOD to proceed as guided by the by-laws
> and get a new committee appointed posthaste.
>
> But at this point the call has taken place so this is all crying
> over spilt milk.
>
> Here is hoping the BOD does the right thing.
>
> Blue Skies
> Jennifer Powers
> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
> www.aeroranch.com
>
> Browns Valley, CA
> --- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Ian Watt <alpacaconsult@...> wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes things and comments go beyond the pale - and this is one of
>> them.
>>
>> It is true that the Board has a call with the candidates tonight. It
>> is also true that the Nominating Committee resigned and that the
>> election process is now somewhere no-one in AOBA has been before and
>> that the Board is intent on delivering a fair and true election for
>> the membership.
>>
>> It seems only fair that the candidates be brought up to speed as to
>> where everything stands at the moment and how things may unfold from
>> here on in.
>>
>> If there is no Nominating Committee Jennifer, who do you think should
>> inform Candidates of what is happening and what is to come?
>>
>> And where, in the ByLaws, does it say the Board cannot do this? Where
>> if the Board in violation of the ByLaws?
>>
>> And where is the collusion you refer to?
>>
>> The election truly does belong to the membership and the AOBA Board
>> has a responsibility to ensure that the membership's interests are,
>> indeed, protected.
>>
>> Ian Watt
>> Morro Bay CA
>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:16 PM, krasnypowers wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> it has come to my attention that there is a meeting this evening
>>> between several BOD members and candidates.
>>>
>>> This is collusion and in direct violation of AOBAs by-laws.
>>>
>>> The election belongs to the membership.
>>>
>>> Pay attention folks. When you vote, don't be swayed by name
>>> recognition.
>>>
>>> Blue Skies
>>> Jennifer Powers
>>> Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
>>> www.aeroranch.com
>>>
>>> Browns Valley, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>
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posted by Chaddo at 7:23 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

 

Hi Vickie,

 

Abstaining is the least of what should have been done.  He should not have been present at discussion or deliberation concerning the contract and he should not have been able to talk to members of the BOD who were…at least he should not discuss those matters with them.

 

Abstaining is merely one of three things that should have happened.  That makes me concerned why the other two walls were not in place.

 

You have my permission (but must also get a moderator's (Lisa or Jan) to post this wherever you please.

 

Allison

 

From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vickie Parker
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:38 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff

 

 


The copy/paste below from the AOBA website posted meeting minutes dated Jan. 4, 2010 APPEARS to insinuate that Bill Pearce has a business relationship with Alpacas Magazine since he abstained from voting on this contract proposal.


III. Old Business
Libby Forstner reviewed a proposal for the 2010 Alpaca's Magazine contract.
Libby Forstner made a motion that AOBA accept the proposed reimbursement
schedule, listed below, revised January 4, 2010 for one year publication of
Alpaca's Magazine from Sunrise Editorial Services, Dave Belt, seconded by Ian
Watt. Question called, roll call vote. 6 for, none against, 1 abstained, motion
passed.
For – Jess Bowers, David Barboza, Libby Forstner, Claudia Raessler, Ian Watt,
Bill Johnson
Against – None
Abstain – Bill Pearce

So does Bill Pearce have a business relationship with Alpacas Magazine?
If so, what problems might this present and is this something he did not want the membership to know?


Vickie Parker
Parker's Alpacas @ Caliche Crossing
4139 Highland Rd.
Melissa, TX. 75454
214-803-0420
www.parkersalpacas.ws

--- jpowers@poststarproductions.com wrote:

From: "krasnypowers" <jpowers@poststarproductions.com>
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alpacasite] Re: More election stuff
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:57:19 -0000

Ian,
under the bylaws these communications with candidates must be through and by the Nominating Committee. Until a new committee is seated the BOD must remain hands off the candidates to avoid any possible collusion.

This meddling in the election is strictly verboten. A BOD meeting with the candidates is far far over the line of ok and as you say "beyond the pale".

How to proceed? I expect the BOD to proceed as guided by the by-laws and get a new committee appointed posthaste.

But at this point the call has taken place so this is all crying over spilt milk.

Here is hoping the BOD does the right thing.

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
www.aeroranch.com

Browns Valley, CA
--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Ian Watt <alpacaconsult@...> wrote:
>
> Sometimes things and comments go beyond the pale - and this is one of
> them.
>
> It is true that the Board has a call with the candidates tonight. It
> is also true that the Nominating Committee resigned and that the
> election process is now somewhere no-one in AOBA has been before and
> that the Board is intent on delivering a fair and true election for
> the membership.
>
> It seems only fair that the candidates be brought up to speed as to
> where everything stands at the moment and how things may unfold from
> here on in.
>
> If there is no Nominating Committee Jennifer, who do you think should
> inform Candidates of what is happening and what is to come?
>
> And where, in the ByLaws, does it say the Board cannot do this? Where
> if the Board in violation of the ByLaws?
>
> And where is the collusion you refer to?
>
> The election truly does belong to the membership and the AOBA Board
> has a responsibility to ensure that the membership's interests are,
> indeed, protected.
>
> Ian Watt
> Morro Bay CA
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:16 PM, krasnypowers wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > it has come to my attention that there is a meeting this evening
> > between several BOD members and candidates.
> >
> > This is collusion and in direct violation of AOBAs by-laws.
> >
> > The election belongs to the membership.
> >
> > Pay attention folks. When you vote, don't be swayed by name
> > recognition.
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > Jennifer Powers
> > Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas
> > www.aeroranch.com
> >
> > Browns Valley, CA
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Moderators: Jan Davis - Derwydd Alpacas & Lisa Olsen - Alpaca
> > Atlantic of Tennessee LLC
> > You may email them all at alpacasite-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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posted by Chaddo at 7:21 PM 0 comments

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] Re: 2010 AOBA Nominating Committee and Inspector of elections resignation

 

Ian,

 

Libby is a wise person in many ways.

She does not let the heat of the moment over ride her understanding that the bylaws forbid Board interaction with the election…no matter how well meaning.

 

That power is vested ONLY in the Nominating Committee.

 

The correct move for the BOARD would have been to appoint a new committee.

 

A wise BOARd might want to create a very open record in its notes explaining what the heck interfered with the old committee badly enough to cause a mass resignation.

 

AEMF

 

Lisa, you specifically have my permission to quote or post whatever of t his is useful.

 

From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Watt
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:48 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: 2010 AOBA Nominating Committee and Inspector of elections resignation

 

 

OOOPS! I misspoke!

Libby Forstner was not at the meeting, my apologies for misinforming
you all.

Regards
Ian Watt
Morro Bay CA
On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Ian Watt wrote:

> Easy to answer Denise - the entire Board and all the candidates met
> after the Board issued an invitation to all candidates.
>
> ALL the candidates and ALL the Board heard what was said, and asked,
> so there can be no question of inference or misrepresentation if some
> people want to leap to that conclusion.
>
> It is more than a little sad that claims can be made on this, and
> other sites, that, for a few minutes and a phone call, could be put to
> rest before they see the light of day. If anyone wants to have a one-
> on-one discussion on the events of the past week, please feel free to
> give me a call on 805 772 1774 and I will endeavour to answer any
> questions or concerns you might have.
>
> Regards
> Ian Watt
> Morro Bay CA
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote:
>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>>
>>
>> You are certainly are not the only one concerned, upset, and
>> questioning
>> this AOBA election situation. And, I am on the 'sidelines' of the
>> situation,
>> seeing the hours of phone calls Allison is getting that means I am
>> limping
>> around on a bad right foot and knee handling much of the work while
>> we are
>> still attempting to get settled here in Western Washington.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I can report is that Allison never volunteered for the
>> nominating
>> committee. November 9th the AOBA staff called my cell phone to say
>> they had
>> been trying to reach Allison at our Santa Clara, CA condo. I told
>> the AOBA
>> staff rep who called that our condo phone had been disconnected
>> because we
>> were moving to Washington, that Allison was in Washington and I was
>> speaking
>> to the AOBA staff rep from my car as I was driving through Northern
>> California on Interstate 5. I said the AOBA rep would have to call
>> Allison's
>> cell phone to see whether she thought she had the time to be on the
>> committee since we were moving. Instead of calling Allison, the AOBA
>> staff
>> just added Allison to the committee.
>>
>>
>>
>> I definitely found Jennifer Powers note of interest. If a couple of
>> AOBA
>> board members are actually meeting tonight with a couple of the
>> candidates
>> (but not all candidates???), as an AOBA member I would certainly
>> like to
>> know why this meeting is being held and by which board members and
>> which
>> candidates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>>
>> Elma, WA
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Susan Forman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 12:41 PM
>> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: 2010 AOBA Nominating Committee and
>> Inspector
>> of elections resignation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm having trouble getting downloads today because of a flakey and
>> very slow
>> connection..so I can't check this stuff out on the AOBA website.
>> However,
>> it's turning out for me to be that something is always "going on" --
>> there's
>> always a state of crisis with whatever BOD happens to be current. I
>> keep
>> re-joining AOBA, but every year I wonder just what my membership
>> dues are
>> doing. All things considered, it really isn't all that expensive,
>> but I'm
>> just not sure why I keep joining. Kind of like I want to play with
>> the big
>> kids, but never seem to get put in the game.....that's not a very
>> good
>> analogy, but I certainly do frequently feel like I'm in the dark
>> about
>> things I should know more about. I will also clearly admit that I
>> don't jump
>> on the website and keep up with the BOD minutes or anything else..so
>> I can
>> be easily faulted for not doing my part to stay 'tuned in' and up to
>> date.
>> All the same. I do pay the dues, and as such, I feel that entitles
>> me to all
>> but the most 'delicate' of issues....as in the long past law suit
>> by a
>> former member....there were good reasons to not know what all was
>> going on
>> -- there are situations where it is fine that I don't know. It's
>> just that
>> this isn't a law suit that's being litigated and our national
>> security isn't
>> at risk.
>>
>> I just don't know that I can even vote this year. I don't know any
>> of the
>> candidates personally, though I"m sure all are wonderful and fine
>> people
>> with the best intentions...as I'm sure the current BOD is. All I can
>> ever
>> really know is what they say -- and I'm getting a little leery of
>> what
>> anybody for any elected office tells me these days. Throw into that
>> another
>> election crisis and well......what the hell am I supposed to do so
>> that I
>> can feel like I've made a good decision? Bottom line is that I'm
>> tired of
>> the games and I"m tired of a crisis at least once a year, frequently
>> more
>> often.
>>
>> Personally, I'd like to know just exactly what is going on in very
>> clear and
>> understandable language that a 1st grader would understand...call me
>> stupid,
>> but clarity is the key here along with honesty and open-ness. I
>> would like
>> to see everybody that has had a hand in any of this come clean and
>> tell it
>> all. That's the BOD as well as the NC and anyone who is a candidate.
>>
>> Okay, I'm done. Maybe I should have kept my big fat trap shut, but I
>> guess I
>> feel honest today. And now I'm going back to the work I was doing and
>> ridding myself of any crisis other than what I have to do with my
>> hay.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Susan
>>
>> Susan Forman
>> Dewey Morning Alpacas
>> Washington Court House, OH 43160
>> 740-636-1899
>> http://www.alpacanation.com/deweymorning.asp
>> Home of Huey, Louie, and Dewey!
>>
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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] ???Candidate pledge problems---I think not!

 

Certainly!!!

AEMF

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:30 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: [Alpacasite] ???Candidate pledge problems---I think not!

 

 

Frankly, I fail to see what the problem is with quoting a post. If you reply to a post with the original post attached, is that not the same thing?

 

 

Heather

 

Heather Zeleny

White Lotus Alpacas

Oregon

 

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

 

On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:



Lisa,

Just to explain better....I posted Vickie's post with permission---and DB
when he answered her, did not call his response confidential in any
manner---so I did have permission of the author when I posted...but I also
did forget not to quote a post...

However, upon finding the error---I promptly and publically apologized. I
was NOT trying to break the rules. And---so many people are asking for
information that I was trying to respond...and also to tell DB that we never
received anything requesting time line flexibility----I too have a mother
near 100...and this week with all the other stuff that was cutting
loose----she started attacking staff at the facility where she lives----so I
was also trying to deal with family problems. NC---the one I was a part
of---was very flexible if the reason was one that was legitimate. We were
simply not asked.

Allison E. Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
350 Cloquallum Rd.
Elma, WA 98541

360 861-8584

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Behalf Of Lisa Olsen
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:35 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com; Alpacasite-owner@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] ???Candidate pledge problems---I think not!

Folks,

Here is the deal....

If any member breaks a rule, unintentionally, they get a friendly reminder.
If they ignore the friendly reminders, they are put on "moderate" status for
a month or so. They can still read and post, but their posts will only go
through if they comply with the rules. I have to physically review every
moderated post, and either approve it, or write a post to the sender asking
them to resubmit with whatever change needs to be made. I check mail at
least twice a day, but don't live on the computer - so there may be a time
delay. Pain in the butt for the member, and for me.

If any member breaks a rule intentionally, they lose their posting
privilages: 1 month first offense, 3 months second, 1 year third. This
isn't anything new -- it's just rare for a member to intentionally break a
rule. They can still read posts, just can't participate.

The site owner also has the discretion to do anything he likes, any time he
likes. He owns the site. The moderators, Jan Davis and myself, just police
the site - with regards to the rules. We work for the site owner - because
we value the site, not for the pay (nothing).

Allison just lost her posting privilages for one month -- not because she
forgot to paraphrase, but because she forwarded a post without permission of
the author, and permission from one of the moderators (Rule #2). If you
would like to contact her, you'll find her E-mail address on her last post.
If you disagree with this action -- please vent constructively by writing to
the site owner:
alpacasite-owner@yahoogroups.com

The original post will be removed from the archives, as the author never
gave permission to share his private post.

And for the record - I've also lost permission to post, as has Jan Davis and
Rick Horn. So these rules apply to all without discrimination.

If anyone wants to review the rules -- here they are:

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Recent AOBA activities

 

It appears to me that the second Australian org is really a good one and really works for the members. 


Even the Australian Alpaca Association is better than AOBA, from what I can tell from the website. 

Both actually give members information for resources for fleece processing, for one thing. Fleece buyers! And not simply try to funnel all of the country's fleece production into one production center.

Hey! And look at the method the AABA uses for DNA testing! Swabbing the lip of the alpaca! 


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 7, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Jennifer Powers wrote:


Judith,
my words are born of experience. In every other instance I know of (several) where a second group was formed no good came. All that was accomplished was further fracture and strife.  

Take the vision out further: A new organization would have to compete for shows and membership and credibility. That competition will do nothing but continue to create strife and trouble.  

AOBA is not unique in the world of volunteer bods and organizations.  Far from it. 

What we can do is demand transparency (which seems to be the issue in this case, several candidates don't want to disclose their industry dealings) and hold the BOD to the by-laws.

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas

Browns Valley, CA


On Mar 7, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Judith Korff/Ladysong Farm wrote:


Jennifer, I appreciate the sentiment. However, this organization is a lot like some road projects i could name. It's been under repair for nearly as long as I've been in the business (nearly 10 years).  I think we need a new road crew.
 
Judith Korff
LadySong Farm
Music to Your Wallet
Randolph, New York 14772 
Cell: (716) 499-0383
 


From: Jennifer Powers <jpowers@bentstarproject.org>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 12:04:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Recent AOBA activities

 

Fracturing never repairs. 
What this will take is a considered effort to fix from within.  

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas

Browns Valley, CA


On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Margaret Laird wrote:


NEW ALPACA ORGANIZATION !
I heard this while attending a show last month.  There is a group of people, or breeders, starting a new organization to replace AOBA. Just a rumor ?  I am sure someone out there knows about this.

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Recent AOBA activities
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 5:11 PM

 
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I have been less than impressed with the way AOBA has ben run for several years now. 

Indeed, we had some questionable things going on in a local affiliate, so much so that 3/5ths of the board resigned, then another 5th who was a new board member and actually the one asking questions resigned in another month or so. Most of the members have not renewed their membership. The new board does not meet the requirements of the org's bylaws.


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece

On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Richard & Robin Vasquez wrote:


It is really sad that at a time we need AOBA and ARI to pull together more than ever we still seem to have problems. 
  I know it is very hard to have people with different opinions and different personalities work together but they should think of the members and put their own feelings aside. 
  I don't know what caused this mess but election  was so good and smooth last time.  Why change what worked before?  No need to reinvent the wheel. The map and groundwork was already established.  
 This is the reason I don't volunteer for leadership and committees.  I like  many do not have the tolerance for it.
Robin 


 
Richard and Robin Vasquez 
R & R Ranch LLC
325B Denio Avenue 
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/ 710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
                          LTA
 


--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Jennifer Powers <jpowers@bentstarpro ject.org> wrote:

From: Jennifer Powers <jpowers@bentstarpro ject.org>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Recent AOBA activities
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:11 AM

 
I wouldn't say worse. I would say remaining the same.
AOBA simply cannot get out of it's own way.

Blue Skies
Jennifer Powers
Aero Ranch Suri Alpacas

Browns Valley, CA


On Mar 6, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Heather Zeleny wrote:

Does anyone besides me think things are getting worse at AOBA? 


Letter to all AOBA Board of Director Candidates and Members, 

The AOBA Nominating Committee and the AOBA Inspector of Elections have resigned, effective Friday, March 5, from their respective positions in the 2010 AOBA election process. As with all volunteers we thank them for their time, effort and the diligence with which they conducted their duties. 

The Board has a responsibility to ensure that the provisions of the By-Laws are followed and that the governance of the organization occurs within that framework. To that end we are consulting with legal counsel to determine the steps required to enable the annual election to be accomplished in the required manner and time frame. 

As we develop and execute the necessary procedures over the next week, we will ensure that all candidates and members are fully informed as things unfold. 

We regret this delay, and we acknowledge our responsibility to the members of AOBA (and the AOBA By-Laws) to make sure the election moves forward in accordance with our By-Laws. We remain committed to completing this process quickly and keeping you informed. 

For, and on behalf, of the Board

Not only this latest shocking event, but do you remember last year when AOBA board members were resigning every time you turned around? And letting Connia Alexander go, then letting Betty Brock go. I also heard they let Amy Morrison go!


Heather

Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Oregon

Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece












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