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Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

I just want to add that another production mill that believes in "All American" is the NEAFP. (I am no way involved with the co. I just like what they are doing). I wish more farms would turn to companys like them for stocking their stores instead of buying imports. And how about buying from each other? We could be stocking our farms stores with products made from other small farms. Very few farms make everything, so why not buy from your neighbor or the farm across the country instead of buying the imports? That way we help the industry two ways, support the alpaca farms here, and no imports! How can we convince the public to buy our products, when we sell them imports in our own farm stores?
I agree with you on electing the right people into the BOD of AOBA, however in the last election I didn't read anyones bios that said they're for stopping the importing of alpaca goods. One person spoke up for the small farmers and fiber production and I did vote for that person. But if you are one of the many small farmers that are new to the industry and don't "know the BOD", we can't vote for the right person unless they are willing to speak out so we can hear them.
Well, enough for tonight,:) have a wonderful Sunday. If you're getting any of this yucky cold rain that we are, stay dry and warm.:)
marianne
Sonny Haven Alpacas LLC
myalpacapride@yahoo.com

Elwin Bagley <Gapacaman@tds.net> wrote:
Your opinion agrees with more people than you think, and more people in the
AOBA should listen to you.
There are only two alpaca fiber mills that I know about which agree with us who want to build the fiber industry by making and selling only American products.
One is GMF and the other is Royal Fiber Spinnery.
These two belong to a small group which were only two at the Atlanta F2F show.
They had a booth that said "buy american" at that show.
If we follow the lead of our fiber mill owners and our new AFCNA, we can build a fiber industry that will surpass all others.

We will eventually win out. Rod Daken and Glen Berns are two that are leading the way, along with most of the members of our new AFCNA.
One way we can win this battle is to start by voting the right people into the BOD and getting the right people into the many committees that control the AOBA and all the mistaken practices.
The problem is the elections are controlled by a nominating committe that is composed of the very people who do not agree about stopping the imports and stopping the government subsidy of imports.
We have to nominate by petition some good people to run for posts on the BOD.
The AOBA is us, all the Alpaca Farmers, not just a vocal few who control the elections.
We must take control of our AOBA.

This thread has gone way to political and I will probably be censored for violating the rules, but we need to get our opinions heard and this site plus the alpaca farms site is the only place that I can find that will allow the truth to be posted.

Elwin & Setsuko Bagley
www.windyhillalpacafarm.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Marianne Barry
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

I agree with the competion factor of the countries. That's why I think we should not be purchasing alpaca products from other countries to sell in our farm stores. Lets start buying American products to sell in our stores. Why would peru care if we closed our boarders to imports, they make the money off us by people buying their products. People who think it's not a fiber market now do as much harm to the industry as those who buy imported products. That's just IMHO, of course.
happy holidays everyone!
marianne
Sonny Haven AlpacasLLC
Sumter SC
myalpacapride@yahoo.com

Michael Hennessey <m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net> wrote:
We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and Australia. We
have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber industry in the
U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we get more
animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we are just
too far behind to ever catch up.
Sharon

MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
704 COUNTY ROAD 9
CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

Your opinion agrees with more people than you think, and more people in the
AOBA should listen to you.
There are only two alpaca fiber mills that I know about which agree with us who want to build the fiber industry by making and selling only American products.
One is GMF and the other is Royal Fiber Spinnery.
These two belong to a small group which were only two at the Atlanta F2F show.
They had a booth that said "buy american" at that show.
If we follow the lead of our fiber mill owners and our new AFCNA, we can build a fiber industry that will surpass all others.

We will eventually win out. Rod Daken and Glen Berns are two that are leading the way, along with most of the members of our new AFCNA.
One way we can win this battle is to start by voting the right people into the BOD and getting the right people into the many committees that control the AOBA and all the mistaken practices.
The problem is the elections are controlled by a nominating committe that is composed of the very people who do not agree about stopping the imports and stopping the government subsidy of imports.
We have to nominate by petition some good people to run for posts on the BOD.
The AOBA is us, all the Alpaca Farmers, not just a vocal few who control the elections.
We must take control of our AOBA.

This thread has gone way to political and I will probably be censored for violating the rules, but we need to get our opinions heard and this site plus the alpaca farms site is the only place that I can find that will allow the truth to be posted.

Elwin & Setsuko Bagley
www.windyhillalpacafarm.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Marianne Barry
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

I agree with the competion factor of the countries. That's why I think we should not be purchasing alpaca products from other countries to sell in our farm stores. Lets start buying American products to sell in our stores. Why would peru care if we closed our boarders to imports, they make the money off us by people buying their products. People who think it's not a fiber market now do as much harm to the industry as those who buy imported products. That's just IMHO, of course.
happy holidays everyone!
marianne
Sonny Haven AlpacasLLC
Sumter SC
myalpacapride@yahoo.com

Michael Hennessey <m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net> wrote:
We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and Australia. We
have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber industry in the
U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we get more
animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we are just
too far behind to ever catch up.
Sharon

MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
704 COUNTY ROAD 9
CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

I agree with the competion factor of the countries. That's why I think we should not be purchasing alpaca products from other countries to sell in our farm stores. Lets start buying American products to sell in our stores. Why would peru care if we closed our boarders to imports, they make the money off us by people buying their products. People who think it's not a fiber market now do as much harm to the industry as those who buy imported products. That's just IMHO, of course.
happy holidays everyone!
marianne
Sonny Haven AlpacasLLC
Sumter SC
myalpacapride@yahoo.com

Michael Hennessey <m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net> wrote:
We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and Australia. We
have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber industry in the
U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we get more
animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we are just
too far behind to ever catch up.
Sharon

MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
704 COUNTY ROAD 9
CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net
www.alpacanation.com/aleatoryalpacas.asp

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Canadian Vs US Reg

I would agree Heather,

There were a couple of females that I bought a few years ago that were both
Canada and ARI registered. But honestly, I didn't even bother to transfer
their Canadian Registrations to myself. I only transferred the ARI. That is
the registration that was important to me and always will be. They are still
registered in Canada, and if someone wanted to do that transfer it would be
fine, but I didn't feel the need.

Shari

Autumn Sky Alpacas

Chillicothe, IL

_____

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny - West Wind Alpacas
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:50 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Canadian Vs US Reg

I don't care how many registries they belong to, as long as one of
them is ARI! They must be ARI registered in the US. Most buyers only
want ARI animals, so make your life easier, only buy and sell ARI
registered alpacas!

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
1150 Darlene Ln. #199
Eugene, OR, 97401

voice: 541.868.6976

http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Hagey"
<kick_my_horse@h...> wrote:
>
> Did you mean to say in your last sentence: You want only ARI or Double
> Registered?!!
>
>
>
> <html><DIV><FONT color=#cc9933>Jenn<IMG height=16
> src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/emhammer.gif"
width=16></FONT></DIV></html>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Shari Pritchard" <shari@a...>
> Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Canadian Vs US Reg
> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:31 -0600
>
> Hi,
>
> The parents of that female are probably Dual Registered. That would mean
> they are registered BOTH in Canada and with ARI.
>
> In order to register an alpaca with ARI - BOTH parents must be
registered
> with ARI. So if one or both parents are only Canadian registered -
you will
> NOT be able to register the cria with ARI. This is not always explained
> properly to new buyers. Understand what you can and can't do for
> registrations with your alpacas before making any purchases. You
want only
> ARI registered alpacas if you are going to be breeding showing and
selling
> alpacas.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Shari Pritchard
>
> Autumn Sky Alpacas
>
> Chillicothe, IL
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of llauletta
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:17 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Canadian Vs US Reg
>
>
>
> I am so confused about the registration. I am looking at a female she
> is ARI but her parents are Canadian. Is that possable? Also, if the
> Canadian alpacas are cheaper and have good confirmation does it pay to
> buy Cnadain? And register thier cria ARI?
> Is thier a feedback page? So I can determine how farms deal with other
> sales?
> Laul
> Washington Twp NJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[AlpacaTalk] Re: the future

I agree, we have as an industry, started out largely ignoring the
fiber end. It'll just take some time for us to get organized with easy
access to fiber processors, but I think that can and will happen. AS I
understand it, our co-op was not only importing goods from SA, but was
sending our fiber there to be pooled and processed. We need to keep
our fiber here in North America, process it here, and market those end
products.

As far as never catching up, well if we just work hard and market the
"All American" or "All North American" alpaca angle, we can surely
have a strong presence here.

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
1150 Darlene Ln. #199
Eugene, OR, 97401

voice: 541.868.6976

http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Elwin Bagley" <Gapacaman@t...> wrote:
>
> Sharon: Now, don't be pessimistic.
> We have more alpaca farms, more alpacas than anyone except South
America. True the Aussies know more about fiber production and
marketing than anyone, but we are not far behind them in the fiber
industry.
> People like Ian Watt are helping to show the way in producing better
fiber animals and farmers like Magical are already setting the
standard in producing fine fiber animals.
> Our problem is fragmentation in our goals.
> We have only one real co-op and they have went astray from the first
by importing goods from South America.
> We need to build a strong marketing industry of our own, but we have
too many farmers who want to get rich quick by peddling the goods from
South America.
> If we follow the plans of our best fiber mill owners like Glen Berns
and Rod Daken we can soon surpass the others
>
> Elwin & Setsuko Bagley
> www.windyhillalpacafarm.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Hennessey
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:21 AM
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] the future
>
>
> We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and
Australia. We
> have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber
industry in the
> U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we
get more
> animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we
are just
> too far behind to ever catch up.
> Sharon
>
> MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
> ALEATORY FARM LLC
> REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
> 704 COUNTY ROAD 9
> CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
> m.s.hennessey@f...
> www.alpacanation.com/aleatoryalpacas.asp

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[AlpacaTalk] Re: Canadian Vs US Reg

I don't care how many registries they belong to, as long as one of
them is ARI! They must be ARI registered in the US. Most buyers only
want ARI animals, so make your life easier, only buy and sell ARI
registered alpacas!

Heather Zeleny
West Wind Alpacas
1150 Darlene Ln. #199
Eugene, OR, 97401

voice: 541.868.6976

http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Hagey"
<kick_my_horse@h...> wrote:
>
> Did you mean to say in your last sentence: You want only ARI or Double
> Registered?!!
>
>
>
> <html><DIV><FONT color=#cc9933>Jenn<IMG height=16
> src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/emhammer.gif"
width=16></FONT></DIV></html>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Shari Pritchard" <shari@a...>
> Reply-To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Canadian Vs US Reg
> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:31 -0600
>
> Hi,
>
> The parents of that female are probably Dual Registered. That would mean
> they are registered BOTH in Canada and with ARI.
>
> In order to register an alpaca with ARI - BOTH parents must be
registered
> with ARI. So if one or both parents are only Canadian registered -
you will
> NOT be able to register the cria with ARI. This is not always explained
> properly to new buyers. Understand what you can and can't do for
> registrations with your alpacas before making any purchases. You
want only
> ARI registered alpacas if you are going to be breeding showing and
selling
> alpacas.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Shari Pritchard
>
> Autumn Sky Alpacas
>
> Chillicothe, IL
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of llauletta
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:17 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Canadian Vs US Reg
>
>
>
> I am so confused about the registration. I am looking at a female she
> is ARI but her parents are Canadian. Is that possable? Also, if the
> Canadian alpacas are cheaper and have good confirmation does it pay to
> buy Cnadain? And register thier cria ARI?
> Is thier a feedback page? So I can determine how farms deal with other
> sales?
> Laul
> Washington Twp NJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
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Re: [AlpacaTalk] the future

Sharon: Now, don't be pessimistic.
We have more alpaca farms, more alpacas than anyone except South America. True the Aussies know more about fiber production and marketing than anyone, but we are not far behind them in the fiber industry.
People like Ian Watt are helping to show the way in producing better fiber animals and farmers like Magical are already setting the standard in producing fine fiber animals.
Our problem is fragmentation in our goals.
We have only one real co-op and they have went astray from the first by importing goods from South America.
We need to build a strong marketing industry of our own, but we have too many farmers who want to get rich quick by peddling the goods from South America.
If we follow the plans of our best fiber mill owners like Glen Berns and Rod Daken we can soon surpass the others

Elwin & Setsuko Bagley
www.windyhillalpacafarm.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hennessey
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] the future

We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and Australia. We
have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber industry in the
U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we get more
animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we are just
too far behind to ever catch up.
Sharon

MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
704 COUNTY ROAD 9
CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net
www.alpacanation.com/aleatoryalpacas.asp

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We not only have to compete with S.A. but also with China and Australia. We
have not really been serious, in my opinion, about a fiber industry in the
U.S. and I do not see it happening in 5 years either. Also as we get more
animals with better fiber so do the other countries. I think we are just
too far behind to ever catch up.
Sharon

MIKE & SHARON HENNESSEY
ALEATORY FARM LLC
REG. ALPACAS & NIGERIAN DWARF GOATS
704 COUNTY ROAD 9
CHENANGO FORKS,N.Y. 13746-2121
m.s.hennessey@frontiernet.net
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