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Saturday, September 08, 2012

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

Yep, sorry, for the confusion. I've seen both abbreviations... ;)

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD
410 482 7794
www.dragonflyalpacas@aol.com
www.dragonflyalpacas.com

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An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog. (I belive Dede said LDG)  The dogs back up the secure fencing. 

 

We have one llama, but he is no deterrent if there are two predators!  Also, they can only do so much.  He is primarily the Uncle to wayward boys.  When they fight, he gets in the middle of it and plays referee.

 

Ideally, two dogs are guarding.  For several reasons……..each other for play time and company is important, but most importantly two can handle a predator better than one!  One will approach the predator and one will stay with the alpacas…….or at least this is how our pair work.  If there are two predators (two stray dogs, two coyotes, etc) it is damn near impossible for one LGD to protect the livestock if they are fighting off one predator and the other slips around to the livestock. 

 

One issue we had with our Anatolians is the “Play factor”.  With only one dog in the pasture, our female had a tendancy to run up and jump on the alpacas to play.  We only had her with our big boys and nobody was hurt, but it can be a serious issue with moms and crias.  One of our herdsires actually instigated play with her while she was curled up in a ball sleeping.  He can over to her and start sniffing and when that didn’t get a rise, he start biting at her.  It was comical to see them play together.  I wasn’t worried after witnessing that, along with the fact that he was a 180 pound male.  When he didn’t want to play anymore, he would spit at her and she would quit.  I don’t think any of my training had as big an impact as that spit!

 

Laura

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

I would like to add that if the LGDs are neutered, it takes the reproductive drive out of the picture.  They don't seem to want to pursue those needs and seem to be more attentive to the job of guarding their charges.
 
I have witnessed on many occasions my female  Great Pyr "counting" the alpacas she was guarding.  She looked like she was making sure all were there.  As a usual thing with mine, one would sleep while the other one watched.    
 
At the birth of my first cria, Rosie barked and woke me up for the occasion.  The cria was staring at her from the adjacent paddock, seeming to wonder what the "big deal" was.
 
I recently had to rehome all my critters and find that I physically miss the GPs the most.
As I walked thru the paddocks, my GPs were constantly at my side as I walked.  The male kept his neck against my upper leg.  They were always good for hugs anytime.  We know that the alpacas are not that generous as a rule......
 
Maybe one day.............
Nancy Miller
Crooked Pine Hollow Alpacas
PO Box 182
5869 Hyway 72 East
Carlton, Ga.  30627
 
 
706-255-7914--cell
706-797-3393--home
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Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 
Laura good advice 2+ is always best.We have 4 on 17 acres.2 younger 2 older the male here seems to decide who goes to what pasture each evening.He plants himself some where in the middle,if one of the females barks he goes to help her.My male Pyr even breaks up fights between the male alpacas.They are a huge asset to any farm! Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas
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From: "Laura A. Roberts" <laura0554@hughes.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 11:09:33 -0400
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 
An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog. (I belive Dede said LDG)  The dogs back up the secure fencing. 
 
We have one llama, but he is no deterrent if there are two predators!  Also, they can only do so much.  He is primarily the Uncle to wayward boys.  When they fight, he gets in the middle of it and plays referee.
 
Ideally, two dogs are guarding.  For several reasons……..each other for play time and company is important, but most importantly two can handle a predator better than one!  One will approach the predator and one will stay with the alpacas…….or at least this is how our pair work.  If there are two predators (two stray dogs, two coyotes, etc) it is damn near impossible for one LGD to protect the livestock if they are fighting off one predator and the other slips around to the livestock. 
 
One issue we had with our Anatolians is the "Play factor".  With only one dog in the pasture, our female had a tendancy to run up and jump on the alpacas to play.  We only had her with our big boys and nobody was hurt, but it can be a serious issue with moms and crias.  One of our herdsires actually instigated play with her while she was curled up in a ball sleeping.  He can over to her and start sniffing and when that didn't get a rise, he start biting at her.  It was comical to see them play together.  I wasn't worried after witnessing that, along with the fact that he was a 180 pound male.  When he didn't want to play anymore, he would spit at her and she would quit.  I don't think any of my training had as big an impact as that spit!
 
Laura
 
 
Laura Roberts
R Half Pint Farm
Spotsylvania, VA 
 
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posted by Chaddo at 8:55 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

Laura good advice 2+ is always best.We have 4 on 17 acres.2 younger 2 older the male here seems to decide who goes to what pasture each evening.He plants himself some where in the middle,if one of the females barks he goes to help her.My male Pyr even breaks up fights between the male alpacas.They are a huge asset to any farm! Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas

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Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog. (I belive Dede said LDG)  The dogs back up the secure fencing. 

 

We have one llama, but he is no deterrent if there are two predators!  Also, they can only do so much.  He is primarily the Uncle to wayward boys.  When they fight, he gets in the middle of it and plays referee.

 

Ideally, two dogs are guarding.  For several reasons……..each other for play time and company is important, but most importantly two can handle a predator better than one!  One will approach the predator and one will stay with the alpacas…….or at least this is how our pair work.  If there are two predators (two stray dogs, two coyotes, etc) it is damn near impossible for one LGD to protect the livestock if they are fighting off one predator and the other slips around to the livestock. 

 

One issue we had with our Anatolians is the “Play factor”.  With only one dog in the pasture, our female had a tendancy to run up and jump on the alpacas to play.  We only had her with our big boys and nobody was hurt, but it can be a serious issue with moms and crias.  One of our herdsires actually instigated play with her while she was curled up in a ball sleeping.  He can over to her and start sniffing and when that didn’t get a rise, he start biting at her.  It was comical to see them play together.  I wasn’t worried after witnessing that, along with the fact that he was a 180 pound male.  When he didn’t want to play anymore, he would spit at her and she would quit.  I don’t think any of my training had as big an impact as that spit!

 

Laura

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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posted by Chaddo at 8:23 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

Livestock Guardian Dog (LGD)
Dogs that live in the pastures and bond with the livestock kept there and protect them for preditors.
Breeds include:
Great Pyrenees, Maremma, Anatolian Shepherd, Akbash, Komondor, Spanish Mastiff, Kuvaz, Tibetan Mastiff and many others.
Visit http://www.lgd.org/ if you are interested in learning more about these special and invaluable dogs. 
Tawny Bott  Abra-Cadabra Alpacas  Kiowa, CO.  www.Abra-CadabraAlpacas.com  303-621-9656
On 9/8/2012 8:49 AM, psbowl5857@yahoo.com wrote:
 

I was just reading your comment.  I don't have alpacas, but always been interested in them.  I was wondering what an LDG as backup is??  Is that a Llama? 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 9/3/2012 8:55:13 AM
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My husband is facebook friends with the vet tech who aided these poor folks in VA. In fact, her profile photo is of her and two of the mauled crias ( before the attack ). People, it can happen to anyone, make sure your fences are designed to keep predators OUT, and your alpacas in. We use a six strand electric fence which our animals do not go near. We also have an LDG as back up... Nothing gets out, or in.

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD
410 482 7794
www.dragonflyalpacas@aol.com
www.dragonflyalpacas.com

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From: "Laura A. Roberts" <laura0554@hughes.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:22:14 -0400
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

            For those who haven’t heard about this horrible outcome, read it here.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19422065/alpacas-mauled-to-death-by-dogs

 

 

           

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:13 PM
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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

 

            Does anyone on this list know Abby and Wes Gauvin of Upright Alpacas?  I have been keeping up with this tragic story and wondered if anyone close to them knew of a way the alpaca community could help.  I feel terrible for them.

 

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

 

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posted by Chaddo at 8:19 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

Dede is talking about having guardian dogs to protect the livestock.Many diffrent breeds to choose from.I have Great Pyreness and they are great with all the stock we have on the farm.It takes a canine to fight a canine off.Packed up neighbor dogs chase and kill for fun.They can take out Llamas even horses but if you have guardian dogs they have little chance because the guardian dog will fight to death to protect their animals!Yes my Pyrs believe the animals,barn,pastures belong to them.My pyrs watch over births,bark if they hear coyotes,run to the fence after anything that should not be around. Hope that helps! Tina in Missouri at Elkhorn Alpacas

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I was just reading your comment.  I don't have alpacas, but always been interested in them.  I was wondering what an LDG as backup is??  Is that a Llama? 
 
 
 
 
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Date: 9/3/2012 8:55:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas
 
 

My husband is facebook friends with the vet tech who aided these poor folks in VA. In fact, her profile photo is of her and two of the mauled crias ( before the attack ). People, it can happen to anyone, make sure your fences are designed to keep predators OUT, and your alpacas in. We use a six strand electric fence which our animals do not go near. We also have an LDG as back up... Nothing gets out, or in.

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD
410 482 7794
www.dragonflyalpacas@aol.com
www.dragonflyalpacas.com

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From: "Laura A. Roberts" <laura0554@hughes.net>
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:22:14 -0400
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Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

            For those who haven't heard about this horrible outcome, read it here.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19422065/alpacas-mauled-to-death-by-dogs

 

 

           

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura A. Roberts
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:13 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

 

            Does anyone on this list know Abby and Wes Gauvin of Upright Alpacas?  I have been keeping up with this tragic story and wondered if anyone close to them knew of a way the alpaca community could help.  I feel terrible for them.

 

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

 

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posted by Chaddo at 8:14 AM 0 comments

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RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog. (I belive Dede said LDG)  The dogs back up the secure fencing. 

 

We have one llama, but he is no deterrent if there are two predators!  Also, they can only do so much.  He is primarily the Uncle to wayward boys.  When they fight, he gets in the middle of it and plays referee.

 

Ideally, two dogs are guarding.  For several reasons……..each other for play time and company is important, but most importantly two can handle a predator better than one!  One will approach the predator and one will stay with the alpacas…….or at least this is how our pair work.  If there are two predators (two stray dogs, two coyotes, etc) it is damn near impossible for one LGD to protect the livestock if they are fighting off one predator and the other slips around to the livestock. 

 

One issue we had with our Anatolians is the “Play factor”.  With only one dog in the pasture, our female had a tendancy to run up and jump on the alpacas to play.  We only had her with our big boys and nobody was hurt, but it can be a serious issue with moms and crias.  One of our herdsires actually instigated play with her while she was curled up in a ball sleeping.  He can over to her and start sniffing and when that didn’t get a rise, he start biting at her.  It was comical to see them play together.  I wasn’t worried after witnessing that, along with the fact that he was a 180 pound male.  When he didn’t want to play anymore, he would spit at her and she would quit.  I don’t think any of my training had as big an impact as that spit!

 

Laura

 

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of psbowl5857@yahoo.com
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posted by Chaddo at 8:09 AM 0 comments

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

I was just reading your comment.  I don't have alpacas, but always been interested in them.  I was wondering what an LDG as backup is??  Is that a Llama? 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 9/3/2012 8:55:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas
 
 

My husband is facebook friends with the vet tech who aided these poor folks in VA. In fact, her profile photo is of her and two of the mauled crias ( before the attack ). People, it can happen to anyone, make sure your fences are designed to keep predators OUT, and your alpacas in. We use a six strand electric fence which our animals do not go near. We also have an LDG as back up... Nothing gets out, or in.

Dede Crout
Dragonfly Alpacas LLC
Marydel, MD
410 482 7794
www.dragonflyalpacas@aol.com
www.dragonflyalpacas.com

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From: "Laura A. Roberts" <laura0554@hughes.net>
Sender: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:22:14 -0400
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

            For those who haven't heard about this horrible outcome, read it here.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/19422065/alpacas-mauled-to-death-by-dogs

 

 

           

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura A. Roberts
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:13 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Upright Alpacas

 

 

            Does anyone on this list know Abby and Wes Gauvin of Upright Alpacas?  I have been keeping up with this tragic story and wondered if anyone close to them knew of a way the alpaca community could help.  I feel terrible for them.

 

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 

 

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