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Wednesday, June 06, 2007

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups


I've never understood the "don't talk about bad things because it might scare away potential owners".  I would be suspicious if it was all peace and light - after all we are talking human beings.  I have been involved with animal people since I was a college student, and every one of the groups have had some sort of schism going on.  And this was all face to face, before the Internet allowed you to be an a** with anonymity.

People can be nasty.  Add money to the mix and watch out!

Heidi Christensen
WingNut Farm Alpacas
Graham WA
(253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
www.wingnut-alpacas.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sheri Hewitt <sherih@woodlandmeadows.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Other alpaca discussion groups

What I was saying was the there are a lot of
farms (large and small but all on the same note)
who don't want anyone to talk about anything that
is controversial or might cause a new buyer to
pause. By taking this tack it means that the new
buyer won't find out until it's too late what really happens.

Personally, I think discussion is good for all of
us. If we lose a sale or two because someone is
turned away because alpacas might be a lot of
work, and might have health problems, then it's
better they did something else. And, those who go
ahead, knowing what can happen, will do much better in the long run.

Good, healthy discussion of all subjects will benefit all of us in the end.

No evil conspiracy theories or thoughts against those who are "the big guys".

Sheri
Experience Alpacas!
Woodland Meadows, LLC
31542 Camas Swale Rd.
Creswell, OR 97426
www.woodlandmeadows.com
541-895-0964 or cell 541-912-0081

At 03:53 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:

>Actually, when we started in this business 10 years ago, we were told
>by a large breeder that we shouldn't talk about any health problems we
>encountered. When we started losing animals to liver flukes, BECAUSE no
>one would talk about problems, even the vets had no idea what could be
>done to save those that were sick but not yet dead. So maybe the term
>"big farm" might have been a generalisation, but it was the large farms
>in the Northwest who effectively gagged any plea for help, any
>discussion of what do if this or that happens on your farm....
>
>There are a few who get their noses all out of joint when someone
>brings up the large farm/small farm issue. Guess what, big farms have a
>lot more power in this industry, just as any large company has more
>power than a small one. That is the truth and pretending that it is
>not, is either naive or in denial. yes, hopefully all the large farms
>are now forthright in the truth about the business and animal heath and
>care, but that was not always true.
>
>Heather
>
>Heather Zeleny
>West Wind Alpacas
>Eugene, OR
>
>Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
>Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
>Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
><http://www.westwindalpacas.com/>http://www.westwindalpacas.com/
>http://www.alpacanation.com/westwind.asp
><http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AlpacaTalk/join
>
>On Jun 6, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Shouvlins wrote:
>
> > Wow Sheri,
> >
> > That seems a bit unfair and why would only big farms take this
> > approach. Everyone in the breeding business wants to sell alpacas, no
> > matter what their size. It seems a bit unfair to claim that only big
> > farms deceive folks. Frankly I haven't found that to be true, although
> > there has been one farm I know of like that, but I attribute that to
> > the individual, not the size of the farm. I know of small breeders who
> > cheat too. It ain't a size thing, it's an individual character thing.
> >
> > Laurel
>
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